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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 17:41:27 GMT
The hell is White Het Pandering? OH!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 6, 2023 17:43:20 GMT
^^^^^^ Yellow Ball Pandering!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 17:44:49 GMT
^^^^^^ Yellow Ball Pandering! ^Blue Ball Pandering!^
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 6, 2023 17:46:20 GMT
^^^^^^ Yellow Ball Pandering! ^Blue Ball Pandering!^ ^^^^^^ Anti Ball Pandering!
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 6, 2023 22:36:26 GMT
If the women having a...5 second thing together is cringe, then the 3 main heroes all being together and walking to Thanos should be cringe by the same logic. But no one complains or says it's "White Het Pandering". The hell is White Het Pandering? You really have to ask?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 1:21:45 GMT
The hell is White Het Pandering? You really have to ask? Don’t know what a HET is. Or why that particular scene would qualify as pandering.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 7, 2023 1:40:40 GMT
Don’t know what a HET! is. Or why that particular scene would qualify as pandering.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 3:19:59 GMT
Don’t know what a HET! is. Or why that particular scene would qualify as pandering. OH!
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 7, 2023 4:26:11 GMT
They invited him because they thought he could be of great service to their cause but they soon learned he was a bully with a large ego who thought he was better than all of them and wanted Jean Grey to be his girl. They had to attack him because he was getting unruly and tried to prevent Charles from erasing his mind of recent events. No, the core premise has always been that they are a superhero team that consists of four people who happen to make up a dysfunctional, yet loving, family unit. This was established in the debut issue. Depends on how they go about it, I would argue. They didn't have to attack him, Charles just immediately is shocked the Blob would turn them down and then decides to violate his mind and then attack him when he won't let this violation happen. They're the aggressors the whole time. This is not the Xavier we should be seeing on screen.
And yet they went with the "Father Knows Best" thing for years until it did get started written as a family drama with superheroics. They didn't stick to what was in the comics from day one, they evolved the premise.
Complaining so much about one and allowing the exact same thing to happen to the other, shows no integrity.
The Charles Xavier you described has never been put up on screen. And in the issue, Charles wanted to recruit him because he thought he would be a good addition to the group, but it turned out he was a selfish, impolite, brute who thought he was better than everyone else. Charles had to try to erase his mind of recent events because at the time in the book the X-Men and their identities were not public knowledge. Blob resisted, got unruly, and his actions required the team to step-in and try to stop him, but they failed and he escaped. As someone who owns collected volumes of the original Fantastic Four run by Lee and Kirby, I say you're full of bunk. But what if the person doesn't complain about change so much? As I have said, it depends on how one goes about their argument, there is no one-way path as you make it out to be because everyone is different.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 7, 2023 12:20:43 GMT
The Charles Xavier you described has never been put up on screen. It kinda has. Xaviers story across First Class and Days of Future Past is that of a overprotective figure who always knows best and is controlling of Mistique. He tries to shut her away from the outside world, tell her what she can and cant do and encourage her to stay in ''human form''. At the end of FC she is set free by Eric. Xavier realizes his errors in the climax of DOFP when he gives her the choice to drop the gun or not. MCU wont depict Xavier in any bad light anyway so the whole discussion with formersamhd is moot. Im 90% sure Xavier will be cast using a black actor and be made out as a blatant Martin L King ripoff whilst obnoxiously pushing modern day Black Lives Matter propaganda.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2023 13:56:48 GMT
They didn't have to attack him, Charles just immediately is shocked the Blob would turn them down and then decides to violate his mind and then attack him when he won't let this violation happen. They're the aggressors the whole time. This is not the Xavier we should be seeing on screen.
And yet they went with the "Father Knows Best" thing for years until it did get started written as a family drama with superheroics. They didn't stick to what was in the comics from day one, they evolved the premise.
Complaining so much about one and allowing the exact same thing to happen to the other, shows no integrity.
The Charles Xavier you described has never been put up on screen. And in the issue, Charles wanted to recruit him because he thought he would be a good addition to the group, but it turned out he was a selfish, impolite, brute who thought he was better than everyone else. Charles had to try to erase his mind of recent events because at the time in the book the X-Men and their identities were not public knowledge. Blob resisted, got unruly, and his actions required the team to step-in and try to stop him, but they failed and he escaped. As someone who owns collected volumes of the original Fantastic Four run by Lee and Kirby, I say you're full of bunk. But what if the person doesn't complain about change so much? As I have said, it depends on how one goes about their argument, there is no one-way path as you make it out to be because everyone is different. Yes he has, the Xavier in the movies lies to parents to get their kids so he can indoctrinate them and then lies to the kids to make them easier for him to control. Like Iceman and Jean. If the MCU movies take cues from the more recent comics from the last 20 years and point out his failings then it will be something welcome.
It doesn't change that they chose to attack the guy instead of trying something peaceful, and he wasn't villainous at the time either.
I doubt you really read them then.
If they don't complain then it's good, it shows they aren't that close minded.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2023 13:58:24 GMT
The Charles Xavier you described has never been put up on screen. It kinda has. Xaviers story across First Class and Days of Future Past is that of a overprotective figure who always knows best and is controlling of Mistique. He tries to shut her away from the outside world, tell her what she can and cant do and encourage her to stay in ''human form''. At the end of FC she is set free by Eric. Xavier realizes his errors in the climax of DOFP when he gives her the choice to drop the gun or not. MCU wont depict Xavier in any bad light anyway so the whole discussion with formersamhd is moot. Im 90% sure Xavier will be cast using a black actor and be made out as a blatant Martin L King ripoff whilst obnoxiously pushing modern day Black Lives Matter propaganda. Oh right, like the old comics back in the 80s never did that stuff with Mutants? Get real.
The MCU will probably have the guts to have Xavier admit he's a mutant and have people know about his school, as opposed to how in the movies he does nothing but cloister his students up and keep them from learning how to properly interact with humans.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 7, 2023 14:56:16 GMT
It kinda has. Xaviers story across First Class and Days of Future Past is that of a overprotective figure who always knows best and is controlling of Mistique. He tries to shut her away from the outside world, tell her what she can and cant do and encourage her to stay in ''human form''. At the end of FC she is set free by Eric. Xavier realizes his errors in the climax of DOFP when he gives her the choice to drop the gun or not. MCU wont depict Xavier in any bad light anyway so the whole discussion with formersamhd is moot. Im 90% sure Xavier will be cast using a black actor and be made out as a blatant Martin L King ripoff whilst obnoxiously pushing modern day Black Lives Matter propaganda. Oh right, like the old comics back in the 80s never did that stuff with Mutants? Get real. The MCU will probably have the guts to have Xavier admit he's a mutant and have people know about his school, as opposed to how in the movies he does nothing but cloister his students up and keep them from learning how to properly interact with humans.
Once again the original source material was not obnoxiously preachy about its politics, just like the animated series and movies. The MCU will turn up the dial tenfold to try and capitalize on modern day propaganda like militant-BLM and the other ''oppressed'' groups that make loud noises because X-Men is the perfect vessel in their minds. Watch and see. I told you before his aim was to build a campus for both mutants and humans to co-exist which got derailed because of Apocalypse' rampage hurt the trust that had built to that point. In Dark Phoenix the X-Men are public heroes for the first time and Xavier works with the government side by side on missions to help humans like the space shuttle in distress. You're a hypocrite. We never see the average human citizen take in the MCU, its like they dont exist at all the rampage and destruction that happens on earth with the Avengers involved. What happned to the Sokovia Accords lmao
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 7, 2023 17:15:29 GMT
The racism analogy never totally worked for me in X-Men. They've got some great stories and on a very basic level, yes, racism is clearly wrong. But it's waaay more complicated when you take into account you've got people who can walk through walls, alter minds, or set you on fire by looking at you.
Marvel tends to like to portray the government as always being wrong. The MCU is really bad at it, particularly lately. Even the X-Men movies had a bit of that, but to be completely honest, the Mutant Registration Act really isn't that unreasonable. These aren't just people with a different skin color, they are human weapons.
Plus, I always thought it was strange mutants are targeted more vs. other super powered people with secret identities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 20:44:11 GMT
The racism analogy never totally worked for me in X-Men. They've got some great stories and on a very basic level, yes, racism is clearly wrong. But it's waaay more complicated when you take into account you've got people who can walk through walls, alter minds, or set you on fire by looking at you. Marvel tends to like to portray the government as always being wrong. The MCU is really bad at it, particularly lately. Even the X-Men movies had a bit of that, but to be completely honest, the Mutant Registration Act really isn't that unreasonable. These aren't just people with a different skin color, they are human weapons. Plus, I always thought it was strange mutants are targeted more vs. other super powered people with secret identities. Personally I though the original X Men movies did a fantastic job of balancing this. The militant mutants were always the bad guys alongside the more hateful humans. X3, as flawed as it was, had the X Men fighting to defend the people creating the cure.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 7, 2023 21:14:04 GMT
The Charles Xavier you described has never been put up on screen. It kinda has. Xaviers story across First Class and Days of Future Past is that of a overprotective figure who always knows best and is controlling of Mistique. He tries to shut her away from the outside world, tell her what she can and cant do and encourage her to stay in ''human form''. At the end of FC she is set free by Eric. Xavier realizes his errors in the climax of DOFP when he gives her the choice to drop the gun or not. MCU wont depict Xavier in any bad light anyway so the whole discussion with formersamhd is moot. Im 90% sure Xavier will be cast using a black actor and be made out as a blatant Martin L King ripoff whilst obnoxiously pushing modern day Black Lives Matter propaganda. Not anywhere to the extent that formersamhd has made it out to be.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 7, 2023 21:30:55 GMT
The Charles Xavier you described has never been put up on screen. And in the issue, Charles wanted to recruit him because he thought he would be a good addition to the group, but it turned out he was a selfish, impolite, brute who thought he was better than everyone else. Charles had to try to erase his mind of recent events because at the time in the book the X-Men and their identities were not public knowledge. Blob resisted, got unruly, and his actions required the team to step-in and try to stop him, but they failed and he escaped. As someone who owns collected volumes of the original Fantastic Four run by Lee and Kirby, I say you're full of bunk. But what if the person doesn't complain about change so much? As I have said, it depends on how one goes about their argument, there is no one-way path as you make it out to be because everyone is different. Yes he has, the Xavier in the movies lies to parents to get their kids so he can indoctrinate them and then lies to the kids to make them easier for him to control. Like Iceman and Jean. If the MCU movies take cues from the more recent comics from the last 20 years and point out his failings then it will be something welcome.
It doesn't change that they chose to attack the guy instead of trying something peaceful, and he wasn't villainous at the time either.
I doubt you really read them then.
If they don't complain then it's good, it shows they aren't that close minded.
For a good long duration of time, mutants are widely seen as a dangerous and unnatural set of people. Most parents don't know what to do with their child who has the mutant gene and they themselves have no idea how to cope with having it, so the school is designed to help them understand their powers and learn to control them. Charles believes they should use their abilities for good, and to help and tolerate others while his opposite Magneto wants them to become the superior species on Earth. Jean was lied to because of her raw and unpredictable abilities - it didn't work out in the end, but you could understand the motivation behind doing so at first to a certain extent. If memory serves, Blob didn't want to be peaceful to begin with, and he was rude, selfish, egotistical, and desired Jean Grey to be his girl toy. I have, did you know that in issue no. 5, where Doctor Doom debuts, Ben Grimm / The Thing becomes the legendary pirate Blackbeard? So then you admit the situation isn't as straight forward as you made it out to be.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 0:25:47 GMT
Oh right, like the old comics back in the 80s never did that stuff with Mutants? Get real. The MCU will probably have the guts to have Xavier admit he's a mutant and have people know about his school, as opposed to how in the movies he does nothing but cloister his students up and keep them from learning how to properly interact with humans.
Once again the original source material was not obnoxiously preachy about its politics, just like the animated series and movies. The MCU will turn up the dial tenfold to try and capitalize on modern day propaganda like militant-BLM and the other ''oppressed'' groups that make loud noises because X-Men is the perfect vessel in their minds. Watch and see. I told you before his aim was to build a campus for both mutants and humans to co-exist which got derailed because of Apocalypse' rampage hurt the trust that had built to that point. In Dark Phoenix the X-Men are public heroes for the first time and Xavier works with the government side by side on missions to help humans like the space shuttle in distress. You're a hypocrite. We never see the average human citizen take in the MCU, its like they dont exist at all the rampage and destruction that happens on earth with the Avengers involved. What happned to the Sokovia Accords lmao The original source material was very much so, especially using the Holocaust to justify Magnetos actions.
So just like the X-Men comics used the events happening in the 80s and 90s for their stories?
His "aim", it failed because he barely put any effort into it. Same in Dark Phoenix, where were the human students there?
The MCU did a YouTube side series about the civilian POV of things, if you bothered doing your research. Oh, what happened to the Accords? Well the Avengers brought half of Humanity back to life and were owed some gratitude for once and got it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 0:37:35 GMT
Yes he has, the Xavier in the movies lies to parents to get their kids so he can indoctrinate them and then lies to the kids to make them easier for him to control. Like Iceman and Jean. If the MCU movies take cues from the more recent comics from the last 20 years and point out his failings then it will be something welcome.
It doesn't change that they chose to attack the guy instead of trying something peaceful, and he wasn't villainous at the time either.
I doubt you really read them then.
If they don't complain then it's good, it shows they aren't that close minded.
For a good long duration of time, mutants are widely seen as a dangerous and unnatural set of people. Most parents don't know what to do with their child who has the mutant gene and they themselves have no idea how to cope with having it, so the school is designed to help them understand their powers and learn to control them. Charles believes they should use their abilities for good, and to help and tolerate others while his opposite Magneto wants them to become the superior species on Earth. Jean was lied to because of her raw and unpredictable abilities - it didn't work out in the end, but you could understand the motivation behind doing so at first to a certain extent. If memory serves, Blob didn't want to be peaceful to begin with, and he was rude, selfish, egotistical, and desired Jean Grey to be his girl toy. I have, did you know that in issue no. 5, where Doctor Doom debuts, Ben Grimm / The Thing becomes the legendary pirate Blackbeard? So then you admit the situation isn't as straight forward as you made it out to be. Which still doesn't change that he lies to parents to get to kids and indoctrinate them and we never see what happens to any of the kids once they graduate except Beast. Their only option seems to be staying at the Institute as X-Men.
He wasn't a perfect gentleman, but he wasn't hostile. Certainly not to the point where he deserved to be physically assaulted. IIRC Xavier even thinks back and admits they acted poorly.
Yes, he wants to stay in the past until a storm kills his Pirate buddies. Dr Doom sends them through time to gain some jewels he needs but they bring back Greek Fire instead.
If they don't complain then it's a non-issue. But that rarely happens.
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Post by kratos on Mar 8, 2023 2:05:32 GMT
At this rate you can bet your ass theyll screw it up. It'll have that same cookie cutter cringe comedy as they all seem to have now.
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