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Post by Jayman on Mar 21, 2023 18:54:15 GMT
One of my favorite scenes is when Abraham Lincoln apologizes to Uhura for calling her a negress and she said that they have learned to not let words bother them. This was Roddenberry’s vision of the future. My how far we have gone in the opposite direction as a society when there is a culture of people with the mentality that words are violence and invent new things they consider micro aggressions every day
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 21, 2023 22:23:03 GMT
One of my favorite scenes is when Abraham Lincoln apologizes to Uhura for calling her a negress and she said that they have learned to not let words bother them. This was Roddenberry’s vision of the future. My how far we have gone in the opposite direction as a society when there is a culture of people with the mentality that words are violence and invent new things they consider micro aggressions every day It's a nice sentiment, but not real life.The Lincoln character is separated from modern society by hundreds of year. Of course he would use the word negro or negress. Try walking into work, a bar, or store and saying that (or worse). You won't, because you know better.We all do. Racial slurs aren't acceptable.
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Post by Jayman on Mar 21, 2023 22:42:49 GMT
One of my favorite scenes is when Abraham Lincoln apologizes to Uhura for calling her a negress and she said that they have learned to not let words bother them. This was Roddenberry’s vision of the future. My how far we have gone in the opposite direction as a society when there is a culture of people with the mentality that words are violence and invent new things they consider micro aggressions every day It's a nice sentiment, but not real life.The Lincoln character is separated from modern society by hundreds of year. Of course he would use the word negro or negress. Try walking into work, a bar, or store and saying that (or worse). You won't, because you know better.We all do. Racial slurs aren't acceptable. Yes ofcourse, but the point of the scene was that people had evolved to not let words offend them.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 22, 2023 10:38:44 GMT
It's a nice sentiment, but not real life.The Lincoln character is separated from modern society by hundreds of year. Of course he would use the word negro or negress. Try walking into work, a bar, or store and saying that (or worse). You won't, because you know better.We all do. Racial slurs aren't acceptable. Yes ofcourse, but the point of the scene was that people had evolved to not let words offend them. Ni**e* will never not bother people. Not possible.
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Post by Jayman on Mar 22, 2023 16:37:09 GMT
Yes ofcourse, but the point of the scene was that people had evolved to not let words offend them. Ni**e* will never not bother people. Not possible. I am not saying it won’t bother people. I’m talking about her statement and reaction to it in the context of the scene
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 23, 2023 14:18:58 GMT
On the other hand, Wil Wheaton said the episode is not as racist as he remembered it. For the most part, it was just a bad episode. It was unintentional racism because it leaned on every kind of old racist Hollywood trope, not just on black people. Yar fighting African Amazon is just part of it. It’s more embarrassing than anything. The conceit is Q, the omniscient being, hates creation, but human beings in particular.
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Post by Prime etc. on Mar 24, 2023 18:01:06 GMT
They thought having a planet of sub-saharan Africans who held a special medicine the Federation needed was progressive. But now, as blacks have more prominence and weight is being thrown around, this is no longer good enough.
Ironically, there was was a Harlan Ellison proposal for St TMP that addressed this issue. His idea was that a race of lizard aliens would be taken on a tour of an Earth museum and when they learn dinosaurs had once roamed it--they go back in time and change history so dinosaurs never go extinct and become the dominant civilization. Because, for them--the dinosaurs were of their own kind. The Enterprise have to fix things while grappling with the Prime Directive. Jon Peters was appointed an executive at Paramount and he wanted Mayans in the story--Chariots of the Gods-and Ellison told him off and was ejected from the film.
But it is the same idea---they brought these lizard aliens on a tour of Earth to be friendly, but the tribalism of the lizard aliens dictated that they seek to help their lizard kinfolk against the interests of their host (earth). Birds of a feather flock together. Thus the limits of multicultural good intentions.
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