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Post by clusium on Mar 5, 2023 19:36:28 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Mar 7, 2023 12:36:35 GMT
Not a clue, but speaking as one of Jewish heritage, I could wish we'd let go of the whole collective fairy tale about our place in the scheme of things. That sort of grandiosity has never been becoming and certainly isn't making us good guests at the world table at this point.
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Post by clusium on Mar 7, 2023 15:19:49 GMT
Not a clue, but speaking as one of Jewish heritage, I could wish we'd let go of the whole collective fairy tale about our place in the scheme of things. That sort of grandiosity has never been becoming and certainly isn't making us good guests at the world table at this point. Well, the Jewish people did play a major role in world history, so, I wouldn't necessarily pass it all off as just a fairy tale. |
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Post by amyghost on Mar 8, 2023 1:38:18 GMT
Not a clue, but speaking as one of Jewish heritage, I could wish we'd let go of the whole collective fairy tale about our place in the scheme of things. That sort of grandiosity has never been becoming and certainly isn't making us good guests at the world table at this point. Well, the Jewish people did play a major role in world history, so, I wouldn't necessarily pass it all off as just a fairy tale. True, but no more major than many another group, who don't seem to feel the ongoing need to mythologize themselves in terms of some sort of very nearly quasi-supernatural significance. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 8, 2023 3:11:00 GMT
Hitler hated the Jews because he thought they brought down Germany in 1918. The "Stab in the Back". The revolutions that ripped through Germany in November, 1918 were mostly Communist in leadership. And Jewish. Rosa Luxemburg and many of the Spartacists who led a revolt in Berlin were of Jewish ancestry. This revolt was a big reason Kaiser Wilhelm II fled to the Netherlands and the German Army signed the Armistice on November 11th. At least in Hitler's eyes. The main reason was that the leader of the Imperial Army, Erich Ludendorff, told the Kaiser that the war was lost. A mutiny broke out in the German High Seas Fleet and Willy took off. But all Hitler could see was the Jewish influence. And these traitors were back by the Bolsheviks many of the top leaders were Jewish. Hitler believed that Germany could still have won the war but "The Stab in the Back" done them in. And Hitler decided the Jews would pay.
It's as simple as that
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 8, 2023 7:47:04 GMT
This is based on myths in Bible and later Rabbinic myth-based speculation. The name “Amalekites” is probably catch-all for neighboring tribes the Hebrews had differences and probably got the ethnic slur applied to them.
As far as archaeologists and historians know, there were no Amalekites people or tribe. There are no references for them outside the Bible other than other Jewish writers. That such a group existed and continues to exist to torment Jews through history is fringe even for fundamentalist Jews.
And Hitler was of Germanic heritage and Catholic and was probably raise to fear and hate Jews like most Christians were back then. He didn’t invent the antisemitism of the Nazi Party, but antisemitism was the glue.
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 8, 2023 8:50:13 GMT
Hitler hated the Jews because he thought they brought down Germany in 1918. The "Stab in the Back". The revolutions that ripped through Germany in November, 1918 were mostly Communist in leadership. And Jewish. Rosa Luxemburg and many of the Spartacists who led a revolt in Berlin were of Jewish ancestry. This revolt was a big reason Kaiser Wilhelm II fled to the Netherlands and the German Army signed the Armistice on November 11th. At least in Hitler's eyes. The main reason was that the leader of the Imperial Army, Erich Ludendorff, told the Kaiser that the war was lost. A mutiny broke out in the German High Seas Fleet and Willy took off. But all Hitler could see was the Jewish influence. And these traitors were back by the Bolsheviks many of the top leaders were Jewish. Hitler believed that Germany could still have won the war but "The Stab in the Back" done them in. And Hitler decided the Jews would pay. It's as simple as that Although all this is true, there was obviously a prior bias against Jews that made folk so ready to believe the Stab in the Back. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 8, 2023 12:40:49 GMT
Hitler hated the Jews because he thought they brought down Germany in 1918. The "Stab in the Back". The revolutions that ripped through Germany in November, 1918 were mostly Communist in leadership. And Jewish. Rosa Luxemburg and many of the Spartacists who led a revolt in Berlin were of Jewish ancestry. This revolt was a big reason Kaiser Wilhelm II fled to the Netherlands and the German Army signed the Armistice on November 11th. At least in Hitler's eyes. The main reason was that the leader of the Imperial Army, Erich Ludendorff, told the Kaiser that the war was lost. A mutiny broke out in the German High Seas Fleet and Willy took off. But all Hitler could see was the Jewish influence. And these traitors were back by the Bolsheviks many of the top leaders were Jewish. Hitler believed that Germany could still have won the war but "The Stab in the Back" done them in. And Hitler decided the Jews would pay. It's as simple as that Although all this is true, there was obviously a prior bias against Jews that made folk so ready to believe the Stab in the Back. Hitler had written in Mein Kampf that he was disgusted by the Jews in Vienna before the war, living in luxury while the ethnic Germans were living in poverty. And some said that he blamed the Jews in the Vienna art schools that Hitler applied to for rejecting him. But Hitler showed almost no anti-Semitic behavior before 1919. He got along well with Jewish soldiers that he served with in the Great War. One of his superior officers, a Jew, was the one who recommended him for the Iron Cross, First Class. This was a very prestigious award, very rare for a Lance Corporal to receive.
Germany was rife with anti-Semitic feelings before 1939. But it ran no deeper than the feelings many Americans had towards blacks before the 1950's. And, to me, that is the truly terrifying thing about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. Hitler didn't operate in a vacuum. If you had gone back to 1933 and looked at people like Josef Mengele, Reinhard Heydrich, Adolf Eichmann, Christian Wirth, Ilsa Koch, et al,you would not have believed them to be capable of the atrocities the committed. Most of the worst of the Nazis were normal people before Hitler took power. Mengele was a renowned geneticist. Heydrich was a naval officer. Eichmann was an oil salesman. Wirth was a policeman. Koch was a bookkeeper.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 10, 2023 10:23:13 GMT
Although all this is true, there was obviously a prior bias against Jews that made folk so ready to believe the Stab in the Back. Hitler had written in Mein Kampf that he was disgusted by the Jews in Vienna before the war, living in luxury while the ethnic Germans were living in poverty. And some said that he blamed the Jews in the Vienna art schools that Hitler applied to for rejecting him. But Hitler showed almost no anti-Semitic behavior before 1919. He got along well with Jewish soldiers that he served with in the Great War. One of his superior officers, a Jew, was the one who recommended him for the Iron Cross, First Class. This was a very prestigious award, very rare for a Lance Corporal to receive.
Germany was rife with anti-Semitic feelings before 1939. But it ran no deeper than the feelings many Americans had towards blacks before the 1950's. And, to me, that is the truly terrifying thing about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. Hitler didn't operate in a vacuum. If you had gone back to 1933 and looked at people like Josef Mengele, Reinhard Heydrich, Adolf Eichmann, Christian Wirth, Ilsa Koch, et al,you would not have believed them to be capable of the atrocities the committed. Most of the worst of the Nazis were normal people before Hitler took power. Mengele was a renowned geneticist. Heydrich was a naval officer. Eichmann was an oil salesman. Wirth was a policeman. Koch was a bookkeeper.
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