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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 23:17:22 GMT
Let's play what if..... What if... Sting jumped ship early 90s WWF. He would have jobbed to Hogan, Warrior, Savage amongst numerous others and had a hot midcard run with 'Akeem'. Go!  |
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Post by petrolino on Jun 4, 2017 4:07:33 GMT
Let's play what if..... What if... Sting jumped ship early 90s WWF. He would have jobbed to Hogan, Warrior, Savage amongst numerous others and had a hot midcard run with 'Akeem'. Go! What if ... Alberto Del Rio had played ball. I think he'd have twice as many belts by now and rank alongside Chris Jericho but he's still a legend alongside Sheamus and both men should enter the Hall of Fame. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 7:54:12 GMT
Let's play what if..... What if... Sting jumped ship early 90s WWF. He would have jobbed to Hogan, Warrior, Savage amongst numerous others and had a hot midcard run with 'Akeem'. Go! What if ... Alberto Del Rio had played ball. I think he'd have twice as many belts by now and rank alongside Chris Jericho but he's still a legend alongside Sheamus and both men should enter the Hall of Fame. i'm a Del Rio fan too. i don't think he gets the respect he deserves. i actually thought the League of Nations was a brilliant idea and they should have ran with it longer...... |
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Post by petrolino on Jun 4, 2017 10:05:29 GMT
What if ... Alberto Del Rio had played ball. I think he'd have twice as many belts by now and rank alongside Chris Jericho but he's still a legend alongside Sheamus and both men should enter the Hall of Fame. i'm a Del Rio fan too. i don't think he gets the respect he deserves. i actually thought the League of Nations was a brilliant idea and they should have ran with it longer...... On the positive side, I guess he's been successful wherever he's been so at least he didn't hang around one promotion too long becoming stale. But I would have liked to see him given more title shots, he was in tremendous shape when he exited stage left. He could have laid everybody to waste with the League before making a pitch for that elusive Intercontinental Title. |
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Post by Jayman on Jun 5, 2017 20:44:06 GMT
Let's play what if..... What if... Sting jumped ship early 90s WWF. He would have jobbed to Hogan, Warrior, Savage amongst numerous others and had a hot midcard run with 'Akeem'. Go! The Blade runners re unite!  THat'd be kinda cool if they played off that history and had a feud. But we all know how the wwf never would've done that. He could've been heel or face. who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 21:11:38 GMT
Let's play what if..... What if... Sting jumped ship early 90s WWF. He would have jobbed to Hogan, Warrior, Savage amongst numerous others and had a hot midcard run with 'Akeem'. Go! The Blade runners re unite! THat'd be kinda cool if they played off that history and had a feud. But we all know how the wwf never would've done that. He could've been heel or face. who knows. they had a tag match in WCW vs. Hogan and Hart. never knew why more wasn't built off that. then they came out with the 'One Warrior Nation' - we should have gotten Warrior, Sting and The Road Warriors (if Hawk was alive at this point and they were free agents) vs. the nWo. instead of Sting, Warrior and The Road Warriors - we got 'Brutus Beefcake - i.e. The Booty Man, Zodiac, The Butcher, The Desciple to align with Warrior  |
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Post by Jayman on Jun 5, 2017 21:40:08 GMT
Oh I didn't know that. That whole period is a blur for me. Yeah I guess that's kind of a bummer the way it worked out. And they own the UWF library so they could've used it. But I guess that's a team that's best forgotten. They were really bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 1:05:52 GMT
Oh I didn't know that. That whole period is a blur for me. Yeah I guess that's kind of a bummer the way it worked out. And they own the UWF library so they could've used it. But I guess that's a team that's best forgotten. They were really bad. yeah. it was kind of my point in a thread i made about the wasted opportunities they threw out the door when Warrior came in other than just main eventing him with Hogan. they had the money. they could have feuded him with Sting, Goldberg, Luger, etc - so many storylines. who cares if he couldn't 'go'. it's sports entertainment. it's about the drama and intrigue (at least it was before the Dean Malenkos and now TJ Perkins of the world came around). gimme a storyline of Warrior, Sting and the Legion of Doom taking out the nWo - that's money to me. but now we have TJ Stinkins vs. the Umbrella guy every week |
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Post by Jayman on Jun 6, 2017 1:31:39 GMT
Nowadays with the guaranteed contracts and all that, that could've had something to do with it. Maybe they didn't want him longterm so they just wanted him for a couple of big matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 1:49:30 GMT
Nowadays with the guaranteed contracts and all that, that could've had something to do with it. Maybe they didn't want him longterm so they just wanted him for a couple of big matches. it's interesting. i get he was a loon. and was hard to deal with. didn't turner have deep pockets and they were throwing around money like it was water. i get hall & nash had a favored nations contract where if anybody else came in - they'd get bumped up to the same. but you'd think everybody being business there's got to be someway to get around all the BS and and 'do what's best for business'. look at mcmahon bringing back hart, hogan, hall, nash, savage (game promo), warrior, etc - what's best for business - which is why i always think Punk will return. they should have pulled this cat aside and 'goldberged' him or 'lesnared' him so to speak where he's on a PT schedule but making coin......... i'm still fascinated by the death of WCW to this day - recent shoots out there by Nash stating the truth of the matter is TBS/TNT just didn't want anything to do with wrestling anymore and they just wanted to wipe their hands clean with it and move on......... |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 6, 2017 13:26:11 GMT
That's the problem. They weren't business. They were all about themselves. They didn't really care if the company suffered as long as they made bank.
That's mostly Vince's ego. He likes showing that everybody still needs him.
Nash is right that Time Warner/AOL didn't want anything to do with wrestling, but it wasn't until WCW started hemorrhaging money with no end in sight that they finally had a good excuse to pull the plug. Plus, Ted wasn't able to protect it anymore.
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Post by Jayman on Jun 6, 2017 20:50:46 GMT
Yeah that's why I never agreed with the whole notion that other forces didn't want anything to do with wrestling so they forced it to die. Sure in the end that was the final nail in the coffin. but The company was losing insane amounts of money. They based all these crazy contracts they were signing guys to on the fact that the company would always be booming at the same rate and that business would never go down by even a smidgeon. Then when it was tanking they were at the point of no return. Nobody really cared and they were just all about getting as much money out of it for themselves before the well ran dry and they went under. There was no incentive for anybody to want the company to do well because everybody had guarantees.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:04:21 GMT
Yeah that's why I never agreed with the whole notion that other forces didn't want anything to do with wrestling so they forced it to die. Sure in the end that was the final nail in the coffin. but The company was losing insane amounts of money. They based all these crazy contracts they were signing guys to on the fact that the company would always be booming at the same rate and that business would never go down by even a smidgeon. Then when it was tanking they were at the point of no return. Nobody really cared and they were just all about getting as much money out of it for themselves before the well ran dry and they went under. There was no incentive for anybody to want the company to do well because everybody had guarantees. nash is a stand up guy. i find it fascinating he states they still had the highest ratings on TNT during it's demise and Bischoff had the money to step up and buy it - but they (the network, Time Warner/AOL, whatever) just wanted nothing to do with wrestling anymore and wanted to wipe their hands clean with it and move in another direction. people bash late WCW - i.e. the Russo years. Clips are on youtube - of old school Nitros/Thunders in WCWs dying days - they're one zillion times more entertaining than today's WWE. of course it all comes down to an individuals taste - but it's not even debatable in my eyes after the crapfest I got done watching last night as I was flipping channels........ |
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Post by Jayman on Jun 6, 2017 21:09:43 GMT
Yeah but even if or when they're winning a ratings war, the way the company was structured they were probably still losing money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:17:32 GMT
Yeah but even if or when they're winning a ratings war, the way the company was structured they were probably still losing money. but don't you think business/life is 'circular'. ups and downs. trends. i mean they had the pockets to sustain dropping and then rising. rumors galore they were trying to sign 'Taker, HBK, etc. it's just that one massive signing or the next 'Goldberg' that comes along that can rocket you back on top. in time - the Hogans, Stings, Flairs of the world would have been gone - which is what I thought they were initially gunning for in the New Blood vs. Miilionaires Club angle when Russo came in (little did everyone know - everyone ended up cheering for the Millionaires Club) just find it odd - highest ratings on the network and they didn't care |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jun 6, 2017 21:18:22 GMT
Ratings don't mean anything if they're still losing money, which WCW was. Nitro may have had high ratings, but they weren't enough to offset the expense. Remember, WCW was wasting money on things like a live Kiss concert, bringing James Brown with no advertising, redesigned sets, merchandise, etc.
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Post by Jayman on Jun 6, 2017 21:20:07 GMT
Yeah but that's the problem. They didn't account for any downs. They just kept bleeding out money like a waterfall with the contracts and all that so when it did go down even just a little bit it was impossible to make money. I learned a lot from listening to JJ dillon talk about that. But I'm sure others will say something different that were there. But we all saw the end result and it wasn't good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:40:49 GMT
Ratings don't mean anything if they're still losing money, which WCW was. Nitro may have had high ratings, but they weren't enough to offset the expense. Remember, WCW was wasting money on things like a live Kiss concert, bringing James Brown with no advertising, redesigned sets, merchandise, etc. but what about the thought process of 'ebb and flow'?? i mean - a company is successful. there's ups and and downs. there's a track record of success there gotta spend money to make money.......... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:44:41 GMT
Yeah but that's the problem. They didn't account for any downs. They just kept bleeding out money like a waterfall with the contracts and all that so when it did go down even just a little bit it was impossible to make money. I learned a lot from listening to JJ dillon talk about that. But I'm sure others will say something different that were there. But we all saw the end result and it wasn't good. i'm one for 'ridin' the wave' baby ups and downs. anywho. what if when jeff jarrett came back circa '97 or so and he made his (worked) shoot towards WWF and Vince, Bret, HBK, Stone Cold, etc - if they would have ran with him with the strap? we may have gotten some epicness like this: Link: Double J Owns the WorldWho's needs Austin when we could have had 'JJ' |
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Post by Jayman on Jun 6, 2017 21:52:45 GMT
Yeah but they spent so much money that even if it went down just a little, not only could they not still make a profit, but they could never recover the losses
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