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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 4, 2017 18:15:01 GMT
This seems like a minor thing to latch onto, but as someone whose always been fascinated with Greek mythology, I found it a bit annoying that the movie established that Zeus was the one who created humanity. The truth of the matter is that in Greek mythology, Zeus didn't create humanity, Prometheus did.
I know that this sounds like a rather petty thing to be annoyed by, but I don't like how the film made Zeus out to be more heroic than his Greek mythology counterpart. I also feel that establishing him as being the creator of humanity and the Amazons, in addition to being the father of Diana, kind of places too much importance on his role in the DC universe. While I did enjoy the film overall, I honestly didn't like how it made Zeus out to be one of the most important figures in the entire franchise.
Does anyone else feel this way?
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Post by pete8680 on Jun 4, 2017 18:57:22 GMT
I agree. Zeus/Jupiter is always pictured as somewhat as a B@stard even in ancient times. Here DC makes him more nobel. But remember what Hippolyta said "It was JUST a story". So we may get male b!tch Zeus latter.
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Post by thedarklantern on Jun 4, 2017 19:18:02 GMT
It didn't particularly bother me, although I knew the name Prometheus from reading Greek myths a child, I didn't remember him as being the creator of humanity. It wasn't until you mentioned it that I wiki'd him to refresh my memory as being the actual creator of humanity. I can't speak for anyone else, but I always just remembered him for stealing fire to give to Man and his subsequent punishment.
As for Zeus, thanks to years of pop culture such as the Harryhausen movies (and the modern Clash movies), plus videogames, etc, he seems to have become the Highfather of the Greek pantheon which has been greatly simplified/scaled down, much as I suppose many other pantheons have been simplified in various media. Plus, I guess you could say the DCEU is its own thing, it doesn't have to hold true to the real world Greek mythology. (For example, it seems most comic book universes allow several pantheons of gods to exist, who should logically cancel each other out.) Likewise, we don't know how true the actual narration was, given some of the reveals later in the movie.
In the case of Zeus being flawed as a deity, I vaguely remember that being one of the quirks about the Greeks gods that they were just as prone to human faults/failings such as jealousy, rage, etc. (Or alternatively, that humans are just as prone to the same failings/passions as the gods.) Maybe at least the WW movie may encourage kids to read up on Greek myths just like the original Clash of the Titans did for some kids of my era.
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Post by gromel on Jun 4, 2017 22:38:27 GMT
I can't speak for anyone else, but I always just remembered him for stealing fire to give to Man and his subsequent punishment. This. Greek mythology is inconsistent (as to be expected, I guess) and him being the creator of mankind is a late addition. Like "only around 600 BC" late. |
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Post by politicidal on Jun 4, 2017 22:43:16 GMT
That didn't bother me as much as the fact that the Greek gods are all gone now in this continuity. I was hoping to see Hades show up later as a villain.
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Post by gromel on Jun 4, 2017 22:56:53 GMT
Maybe Hades doesn't count since he's stuck in the underworld and all the gods are stuck there too. So they can come back...
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 5, 2017 0:05:50 GMT
It didn't particularly bother me, although I knew the name Prometheus from reading Greek myths a child, I didn't remember him as being the creator of humanity. It wasn't until you mentioned it that I wiki'd him to refresh my memory as being the actual creator of humanity. I can't speak for anyone else, but I always just remembered him for stealing fire to give to Man and his subsequent punishment. As for Zeus, thanks to years of pop culture such as the Harryhausen movies (and the modern Clash movies), plus videogames, etc, he seems to have become the Highfather of the Greek pantheon which has been greatly simplified/scaled down, much as I suppose many other pantheons have been simplified in various media. Plus, I guess you could say the DCEU is its own thing, it doesn't have to hold true to the real world Greek mythology. (For example, it seems most comic book universes allow several pantheons of gods to exist, who should logically cancel each other out.) Likewise, we don't know how true the actual narration was, given some of the reveals later in the movie. In the case of Zeus being flawed as a deity, I vaguely remember that being one of the quirks about the Greeks gods that they were just as prone to human faults/failings such as jealousy, rage, etc. (Or alternatively, that humans are just as prone to the same failings/passions as the gods.) Maybe at least the WW movie may encourage kids to read up on Greek myths just like the original Clash of the Titans did for some kids of my era. I think the thing that bothers me more than anything about it is that it makes Zeus out to be too important. He's the one who created humanity and the Amazons, he's the one who defeated Ares in the past, he's Diana's father. Basically, according to the film, Zeus is one of the most important characters in the entire DCEU. It's not a major problem, but it does have the unfortunate effect of making this shared universe feel kind of small. I think if they wanted to tie in Greek mythology with the origin of the human race, they should've just established Prometheus as the creator of humanity. Not only would it have been more faithful to traditional Greek mythology, but it would've solved the problem of making Zeus the creator of everything. Plus, it could've even been used to flesh out Ares' motives. Imagine if Ares' reason for wanting to kill humanity was partially fueled by jealousy over the fact that a Titan was responsible for creating them, rather than a God. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 5, 2017 1:12:34 GMT
That whole thing was just a story Hippolyta was telling Diana, a bedtime tale. She even admits it later.
Which gives the writers wriggle room later if they want to change things.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 5, 2017 6:19:16 GMT
I think they should have just skipped that part, because I feel that they'll eventually have continuity issues with the bigger DCEU movieverse. Like, Kryptonians resemble humans, but Zeus made humans in his likeness. Does that mean that Kryptonians are related to Zeus too somehow or did he make them too or was it just a coincidence we all look alike?
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Post by pk9 on Jun 15, 2017 0:05:07 GMT
I think they should have just skipped that part, because I feel that they'll eventually have continuity issues with the bigger DCEU movieverse. Like, Kryptonians resemble humans, but Zeus made humans in his likeness. Does that mean that Kryptonians are related to Zeus too somehow or did he make them too or was it just a coincidence we all look alike? I don't think the movie established anything other what the Amazons believe. Their myths were not 100% confirmed just by the existence of Hades. Zeus can easily be revealed as some alien (oldest trick in the book for bringing mythology into sci-fi). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 0:09:53 GMT
Its pretty clear the other Amazons are lying through their teeth to Diana, creating a simpler, "nicer" world for her imagine, because they don't intend for her to leave. Chances are, Diana's found out everything her mother said about the outside world was a lie (except for that whole "people are mean" thing).
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 16, 2017 16:36:10 GMT
On the subject of Zeus in the DCEU, I am curious what some of the opinions are on Zeus being tied into Wonder Woman's backstory. In a way, it does go against William Moulton Marston's initial idea for Diana's origin, where she didn't have a father, and her "birth" was attributed entirely to other women.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 17, 2017 8:45:38 GMT
On the subject of Zeus in the DCEU, I am curious what some of the opinions are on Zeus being tied into Wonder Woman's backstory. In a way, it does go against William Moulton Marston's initial idea for Diana's origin, where she didn't have a father, and her "birth" was attributed entirely to other women. I like it. It connects her origin even more with Greek mythology. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 17, 2017 21:54:58 GMT
It not the most original trope, but it would have been interesting if Ares was actually Diana's father. Could have had a better dynamic between the two. I seem to recall in the comics Hippolyta and Ares having some sort of relationship for a brief time and he might have even raped her. That may be too dark for this universe, but they could have written it that before Ares turned evil, he and Hippolyta had Diana and then when Ares did turn evil and plaguing the human race, Hippolyta stole Diana from him and hid on Paradise island.
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