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Post by xystophoros on Jun 5, 2017 5:04:11 GMT
How can it be anything but that?
I think we're headed toward a league of four or five "Galacticos" type teams who hoard all the superstars, with the other 25 teams languishing in talent poverty, picking over the scraps and the honor of losing in the first round of the postseason.
The league's best players are watching this right now and they're all thinking they're going to need to join a super team to have any legitimate shot at winning. A good number of them won't join up with two or three other All Stars, because they want max contracts, but guys who are in their last handful of productive years -- or simply want to win -- are going to join forces because the gulf in talent between GSW/CLE and the rest of the league is massive.
The gulf between GSW and Cleveland itself is almost equally massive, with the addition of Kevin Durant. How can anything less than a superteam compete with them?
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Post by tristramshandy on Jun 5, 2017 5:20:56 GMT
Other than seeing the skills of the players, I don't see anything that's really appealing about the NBA right now. There is zero intrigue about these playoffs. Since May 1, the day that the Raptors and Cavs and the Spurs and Rockets each played the first game of those series, there have five games that were single digit games. There were 31 games played over that time span. Just awful, mind-numbing competition.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 5, 2017 5:43:43 GMT
2017 Finals, where 3-4 minutes of 4th quarter garbage time is now a thing.
#growthegame
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 5, 2017 5:46:21 GMT
Not only that, CP3 is thinking of joining the Spurs. Why not, right, Leonard, Aldridge and CP3. (I think we saw Manus last game, and I can see Parker going one more year becoming the new "6th" man Manu.)
It is almost like you need 3-4 super stars. WTF can Westbrook and Harden do? Something has to change here.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 5, 2017 5:52:57 GMT
How can it be anything but that? I think we're headed toward a league of four or five "Galacticos" type teams who hoard all the superstars Respectfully disagree. We have seen no indication of that at all. |
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Post by xystophoros on Jun 5, 2017 7:38:56 GMT
How can it be anything but that? I think we're headed toward a league of four or five "Galacticos" type teams who hoard all the superstars Respectfully disagree. We have seen no indication of that at all. Gotta be sarcasm, yeah? - Celtics Big Three - The Decision: James, Wade, Bosh - The Lowkey Decision: James, Love, Irving - Aldridge joins Kawhi, deposits soul in Spurs Soul Box - Durant joins Warriors, creating a video game team All of those guys are/were considered franchise players. In recent years the Mavs are the only team to win a title with a single superstar, one guy who was the man in "his" franchise. Look, at the start of every season, guys on teams like Toronto, Boston, Houston and others talk about how they're gonna win. They've got good rosters, they pretend they can compete with Cavs and Dubs, they make all the right noises about effort and motivation, they've retooled their squads with the right role players, etc. But none of those teams have a chance, and everyone knows it. The Rockets are not beating the Warriors, the Raptors are not beating the Cavs, and this will continue to be a two-team league until some other juggernauts start to rise. |
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Post by xystophoros on Jun 5, 2017 7:56:18 GMT
2017 Finals, where 3-4 minutes of 4th quarter garbage time is now a thing. #growthegame Yup. Lebron sat for good with 4 minutes left and signaled the beginning of garbage time. How many times this season did Curry and Thompson not even play the 4th quarter? Curry has played 33 minutes per game this postseason, Lebron has played 41mpg. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 5, 2017 12:30:57 GMT
Free agency, superteams break up, people get hurt, things always change.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 5, 2017 17:05:43 GMT
Respectfully disagree. We have seen no indication of that at all. Gotta be sarcasm, yeah? - Celtics Big Three - The Decision: James, Wade, Bosh - The Lowkey Decision: James, Love, Irving - Aldridge joins Kawhi, deposits soul in Spurs Soul Box - Durant joins Warriors, creating a video game team Are you even being serious? Your first example, with only one title, doesn't even qualify as a "superteam" Your second two examples basically involve one person deciding to switch teams ( James ) Your fourth example is an epic fail, that just got swept, and pretty much destroys your credibility. Only your fifth is an honest to goodness, once in a lifetime superteam. You said we have is "four or five [ super ] teams who hoard all the superstars" What we have out here in "the real world" is exactly one. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 5, 2017 17:13:07 GMT
Respectfully disagree. We have seen no indication of that at all But none of those teams have a chance, and everyone knows it. The Rockets are not beating the Warriors, the Raptors are not beating the Cavs, and this will continue to be a two-team league until some other juggernauts start to rise. It's actually a one team league, as Cavs winning last year was obviously a fluke, and also happened pre-Durant. Weren't you the one that was just claiming there are four or five "superteams"? ( including the Alridge led Spurs? )  |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 5, 2017 17:27:55 GMT
Cavs will go out and get Paul George.
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Post by xystophoros on Jun 5, 2017 18:48:05 GMT
Free agency, superteams break up, people get hurt, things always change. Yes, we're in a situation now where the second-tier teams are basically rooting for major injuries to the top teams. The only way teams like Houston, Toronto and Boston advance is with major injuries to the two top teams. Gotta be sarcasm, yeah? - Celtics Big Three - The Decision: James, Wade, Bosh - The Lowkey Decision: James, Love, Irving - Aldridge joins Kawhi, deposits soul in Spurs Soul Box - Durant joins Warriors, creating a video game team Are you even being serious? Your first example, with only one title, doesn't even qualify as a "superteam" Your second two examples basically involve one person deciding to switch teams ( James ) Your fourth example is an epic fail, that just got swept, and pretty much destroys your credibility. Only your fifth is an honest to goodness, once in a lifetime superteam. You said we have is "four or five [ super ] teams who hoard all the superstars" What we have out here in "the real world" is exactly one.Are you familiar with math? James & Bosh join Wade: 2 + 1 = 3 James joins Irving, Cleveland trades for Love: 2 + 1 = 3 KG, Allen join Pierce: 2 + 1 = 3 The Spurs got swept because they lost Kawhi Leonard, and it doesn't matter if the Celtics "only" won one championship, they still formed a superteam to do it while the principle players still had a few prime years left in their careers. Notice that I did not say these super teams will be successful -- only one team can win a ring each year -- but that they'd team up in the hopes of getting rings. Please read what I actually wrote: I said "we're headed toward a league of four or five 'Galacticos' type teams who hoard all the superstars," not that we are in that kind of league right now. The entire post was about how the league -- and free agents -- will react in the offseason to what they've seen in the playoffs and what they're seeing now in the postseason. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 5, 2017 19:18:46 GMT
And, again, there is zero indication that this is happening, or will happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 19:59:59 GMT
How can it be anything but that? I think we're headed toward a league of four or five "Galacticos" type teams who hoard all the superstars, with the other 25 teams languishing in talent poverty, picking over the scraps and the honor of losing in the first round of the postseason. The league's best players are watching this right now and they're all thinking they're going to need to join a super team to have any legitimate shot at winning. A good number of them won't join up with two or three other All Stars, because they want max contracts, but guys who are in their last handful of productive years -- or simply want to win -- are going to join forces because the gulf in talent between GSW/CLE and the rest of the league is massive. The gulf between GSW and Cleveland itself is almost equally massive, with the addition of Kevin Durant. How can anything less than a superteam compete with them? I agree. Which is what 'The Process' was all about.  Championships. Not 'making the playoffs' like the Celtics who have no real game changing superstar you can build around for a decade. But hey Celts fans - have fun being the Bridesmaid in the East every year Free agents are going to be clamoring to join Embiid/Simmons. 5th biggest market in the U.S. Trendy nightlife with great restaurants and colleges if one is concerned about retiring here. Very diverse. Always something to do in Philly for every age. If you want to vacation or take a day trip the to beach it's an hour and 20 mins. away. Want to ski and go to the mountains? And hour and 20 mins away. In the middle of New York and Balt/D.C. Best practice facility in the NBA was just built. When LeBron is old - the Sixers go on their run for a decade Next year - Embiid/Simmons & Co. get unleashed on the NBA Long Live 'The Process'! Thank you Sam Hinkie! |
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 5, 2017 22:14:52 GMT
The Spurs were also up 23 points before they lost Leonard. Also, they already lost Parker in the Houston series, and at the end, even lost Lee. That's 3 key guys gone.
I am torn here though, because I think Ackbar and xys both make good points, I enjoy debates like this, even though they get heated.
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Post by marsexplorer on Jun 5, 2017 22:51:52 GMT
5th biggest market in the U.S. Trendy nightlife with great restaurants and colleges if one is concerned about retiring here. Very diverse. Always something to do in Philly for every age. If you want to vacation or take a day trip the to beach it's an hour and 20 mins. away. Want to ski and go to the mountains? And hour and 20 mins away. In the middle of New York and Balt/D.C. Best practice facility in the NBA was just built. Thank you for that Mr. Chairman of the Philadelphia Convention and Visitors Bureau. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 0:39:36 GMT
5th biggest market in the U.S. Trendy nightlife with great restaurants and colleges if one is concerned about retiring here. Very diverse. Always something to do in Philly for every age. If you want to vacation or take a day trip the to beach it's an hour and 20 mins. away. Want to ski and go to the mountains? And hour and 20 mins away. In the middle of New York and Balt/D.C. Best practice facility in the NBA was just built. Thank you for that Mr. Chairman of the Philadelphia Convention and Visitors Bureau. What a kickoff to the Summer Season we had. Mothers Day weekend. The largest collegiate rowing event in the country where universities from across the country converge on Boathouse Row in Philly for a 3 day spectacle. The Art Museum is right next door. Eastern Penitentiary, voted one of the best 'haunts' in the world is right around the corner, and the Philly Zoo is pretty much up the street. 'Manayunk' a hip trendy little town full of bars and restaurants is right around the corner. Yes - I love my city |
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Post by socalboy83 on Jun 6, 2017 1:36:55 GMT
Other than seeing the skills of the players, I don't see anything that's really appealing about the NBA right now. There is zero intrigue about these playoffs. Since May 1, the day that the Raptors and Cavs and the Spurs and Rockets each played the first game of those series, there have five games that were single digit games. There were 31 games played over that time span. Just awful, mind-numbing competition. right, trist. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 6, 2017 12:03:05 GMT
When has this not been the case? The team with the best players wins in this league, it's always been that way. How many different teams have won the championship since 1980? The number will be surprisingly low to you if you think the NBA is somehow more uneven now than it's ever been.
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