Why I prefer the DCEU over MCU

It's not bias. It's the truth.



No, I don't. It's well-known that MCU films have plenty of jokes and 1-liners, even in battle scenes when people are being injured or killed.



It's not false. It's true. The Chitauri were defeated by 1 nuclear missile launched by the US military. A single nuclear missile. That's all it took to defeat the Chitauri. So the entire battle should've been over in less than 5 minutes. But the battle lasted for about half an hour. Why did the battle last for about half an hour when all that was needed was less than 5 minutes? Because the Avengers were just standing around cracking jokes and 1-liners while the Chitauri were killing civilians!



I'm not biased. The DC in my username stands for Dallas Cowboys. That's why my avatar is the Dallas Cowboys star.



My examples included Superman II as well as the DECU films, but your only example is from a Sony film. Not a single example from an MCU film of ordinary people being inspired to do something heroic.



1st, Rogers gave orders to a traffic cop who gets paid to direct people where to go in case of emergency. So the traffic cop is already doing the job that he's paid to do. I'm referring to ordinary people doing something heroic that they're not paid to do. Perry White and Steve Lombard weren't paid to stay and try to free Jenny from the rubble while the path of destruction was heading towards them, but they did it because they were inspired by the heroics of Superman. Steve Trevor told Sameer, Charlie, and the Chief that he had no more money to pay them for the mission and they were free to leave, but they chose to stay and continue with the mission (without getting paid) because they were inspired by Diana's heroics in liberating the town from the German soldiers.

That's what heroism is about. And there isn't a single case of that in MCU films.

2nd, Rogers giving orders to a traffic cop on where people should run to further supports my point #5. New York City is the most populous city in the country and has been the site of more than 1 terrorist attack. So the NYFD and NYPD would certainly already have an evacuation plan in case of emergency and firemen and policemen (especially traffic cops) would certainly already be trained in the best way to evacuate people. So why does a traffic cop need Rogers to tell him how to do something that he's already been trained to do?

Because MCU dictator Kevin Feige has mandated that MCU's philosophy is that no one other than the Avengers can look heroic. So US soldiers must look corrupt and incompetent in MCU films. Congressional leaders must look corrupt in MCU films. And even traffic cops must look incompetent in MCU films.



If you want to talk about contrived scenes, then you need to start with the airport fight scene in Civil War because that's the most contrived scene ever in a CBM. Iron Man knows that Captain America and Bucky are going to be at the airport to hijack the quinjet. So the 1st thing Iron Man should've done was disable the quinjet (i.e. remove the engine or drain the fuel tank or something else to prevent the quinjet from taking off) so that they couldn't hijack the quinjet. Then the 2nd thing Iron Man should've done was set up a trap for Captain America and Bucky (and by trap, I mean something more than just calling Spider-Kid to jump down from the roof and say "Surprise!"). Had Iron Man done either of those 2 things, then there wouldn't have been any airport fight. But they needed a big group fight for the movie (otherwise it would be silly to call it "Civil War") so they put in that contrived airport fight scene.

Actually, the entire Civil War movie is nothing but a contrived plothole. Tony and Steve fight because Steve somehow knew that Bucky murdered Tony's parents (even though Steve was frozen in ice when the murders occurred), but Tony (who somehow knew that a random high school kid in a city of 8 million people was the Amazing Spider-Kid) never knew for 25 years that his parents were murdered and thought that they died in a road accident, even though the coroner's report would've noted that Maria Stark had palm prints around her neck and a crushed larynx and the death certificate would've listed Maria Stark's cause of death as asphyxiation due to strangulation. How the hell does dumb-ass Tony Stark think that "asphyxiation due to strangulation" means accidental death in a road accident and nor murder?



That's your excuse?  He's arrogant and egotistic so he shouldn't have to respect the authority of the people? Lame excuse!



Nevertheless, she did kill those people who wouldn't have been killed if not for the Avengers. So the Avengers still have to be held accountable for that, regardless of how many other lives they may have saved.

If a decorated police officer who's saved many people over a 20-year career accidentally shoots and kills a child during a shootout with bank robbers, the police officer still has to held responsible for that even if it wasn't intentional.



It does when he refuses to answer to the people (or the elected representatives of the people).



I didn't miss the point. I'm the only 1 that got the point. Rogers acts like that because he wants to be a tyrant. You know who else acted the way Rogers did? Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and many other tyrants. They all refused to answer to anyone and thought they should unilaterally decide what's best for the people.



The public needs cops to serve and protect too. But when the actions of cops result in the deaths of innocent people, even if it was accidental, the cops still need to be held accountable for that. But the Avengers think that because they're more powerful than everyone else, they shouldn't have to be held accountable for anything and they should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want and Congress can't do anything about it.



Those soldiers were portrayed as so incompetent that they couldn't even get the flag down from the flagpole while Rogers was able to do it in mere seconds.



There was a big difference. In The Incredible Hulk, the US soldiers are portrayed as corrupt and just trying to use the Hulk as a weapon. In MoS, the US soldiers are portrayed as brave, fighting against Zod's army even though they have no superpowers and are no match for Zod's army.



I'm not referring to whether or not the soldiers can win the battle. I'm referring to how the Incredible Hulk portrays the US soldiers as corrupt (their objective was to capture the Hulk so they could use the Hulk as a weapon) vs how MoS portrays US soldiers (their objective was to defend America from Zod's army).



Doomsday was hit with a nuclear missile and still couldn't be stopped. The Chitauri (hundreds of them) were all defeated by a single nuclear missile launched by the US military.



Ares was still a better villain than any MCU villain. Ares was just as powerful as Diana and couldn't be defeated by something as silly as a Dance-Off.



You must not be up-to-date on the comics. The current comics no longer have the red underwear. MoS is just embracing what's in the current comics. Wonder Woman also embraces the current comics. The original origin story that William Marston wrote in which Diana was sculpted from clay and Zeus breathed life into her has been replaced in the comics and now Diana is the daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta.



Batman was doing more than just standing and watching. Batman was firing the kryptonite smoke bombs at Doomsday.

Also, you missed the point. The point wasn't whether or not it was practical for Black Widow to be heavily involved in the battle against the Chitauri. The point was it made no sense for the Chitauri to fly below the height of the buildings, not only obstructing their view but also allowing an Avenger on the ground who can't fly to jump onto 1 of their flying segways and hijack it when they could just stay high in the air above the buildings, where they would not only have a clear unobstructed view of everything on the ground but also have a clear shot at civilians below and there was nothing that Black Widow, Captain America, or Hawkeye could do about it. Even if it were Captain America instead of Black Widow that jumped onto the flying segways and hijacked it, it still wouldn't make sense because why would an experienced invasion force that has such a huge tactical advantage do something so illogical to give up their huge tactical advantage?



I've seen every episode of the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited cartoons, but this thread is about the movies and not the cartoons.



Zod needed to find the codex. Zod didn't know that Jor-El had infused the codex into Kal-El's cells so Zod had to find it. Zod thought the codex might be in the pod that brought Kal-El to Earth. That's why Zod went to Smallville and tried to get Martha to tell him where Kal-El's pod was.



Because she's an investigative reporter and she likes to report on things that people often kill to keep secret.



You really need to pay more attention when you watch the movie. Jor-EL told Lois how to destroy the Black Zero using the Phantom Drive in Kal-El's pod. Lois was the only 1 besides Superman who knew how to use the key to activate the Phantom Drive. Superman had to go destroy the World Engine, which was over the South Indian Ocean. So only Lois knew how to use the key to activate the Phantom Drive. Lois could teach Emil Hamilton or 1 of the soldiers, but General Swanwick felt it was better if Lois went along since she was the only 1 besides Superman who had actually used the key before.



They just prevented the end of the world and survived a war. The natural reaction is to hug and/or kiss someone you love.

When you complain about that scene, you're really complaining about all the US soldiers who came back from World War I or World War II and the first thing they did was hug and/or kiss someone they loved. Because that's the natural reaction for anyone who survives a war or a terrorist attack or a natural disaster or some other life-threatening event - they find someone they love and they give them a hug and/or a kiss.

Later on, they'll grieve for friends who were lost in the war. But before they grieve, the first thing they do after surviving a war is to take a moment to catch their breath and find someone they love and give the a hug and/or a kiss. That's a natural reaction and there's nothing wrong with that.

Captain America: The First Avenger was much worse. Steve Rogers wakes up after 70 years and runs out of the SHIELD building into Times Square. Nick Fury tells Rogers that he had been asleep for 70 years and then asks Rogers "Are you OK?"

Someone who had just been fighting a war against the Nazis and then woke up 70 years later, the first thing they would've asked was "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?" But Rogers never even asked about the war. Instead the first thing Rogers said was "I had a date".

From Rogers' perspective, the day before he was still fighting a war against the Nazis. Suddenly, all Rogers cared about was not getting to go on a date with Peggy Carter.



It was a lot more chemistry than the forced romances between the Hulk and Black Widow or between Vision and Scarlett Witch or between Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter's niece. Sharon Carter's aunt just passed away and all Steve Rogers is thinking about is getting inside Sharon Carter's panties.



That's 3 people. How do 3 people (including Hulk, who can't even fly) contain hundreds of Chitauri who have flying segways that can fly anywhere in New York City? Like I said, that's bad, illogical writing.



Not the authority to launch a nuclear missile over New York city. Not even NATO or the UN have the authority to do that. And the US government would never allow that.
Imagine the Secretary General of the UN or the Secretary General of NATO (neither of whom are elected by the American people) giving an order to launch a nuclear missile over New York city. The American people would never approve of that and the US government would never give them that authority.

Only the POTUS has the authority to make the decision whether or not to launch a nuclear missile so it made no sense at all for Nick Fury and the Council to argue over something that they didn't have the authority to decide anyway. Like I said, that's bad, illogical writing.



Even if Tony didn't bother to read the autopsy report:
1. The coroner's report would've still noted that Maria Stark had palm prints around her neck and a crush larynx and therefore the coroner would've ruled their deaths as homicide and not accident.
2. Since the coroner rules their deaths as homicide and not accident, the police are obligated to investigate.
3. Since Tony is next-of-kin, the police are obligated to notify Tony that the coroner ruled their deaths as homicide and not accident.

So even if Tony didn't bother to read the autopsy report, Tony still should've known that his parents were murdered and it wasn't a road accident. You mentioned a contrived plot. Well, it doesn't get any more contrive than this. Steve and Tony fight because Steve didn't tell Tony that his parents were murdered. Except that Tony should've already known that his parents were murdered!



You haven't debunked anything. On the contrary, you've only further strengthened my points.



I've provided plenty of evidence to back up my points. BTW, here's a great article which gives 15 ways that Wonder Woman is much better than Captain America: The First Avenger.

www.cbr.com/15-ways-wonder-woman-is-the-ultimate-captain-america-movie/