The Lost One
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 9, 2023 14:21:40 GMT
The obvious answer is sex sells, but while female pop singers have their heterosexual male fans, most of their fanbases tend to be heterosexual girls/women and homosexual boys/men so who exactly is sex being sold to?
So maybe it's not about selling the artist's music but more about getting them more publicity?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jun 9, 2023 14:45:39 GMT
The obvious answer is sex sells, but while female pop singers have their heterosexual male fans, most of their fanbases tend to be heterosexual girls/women and homosexual boys/men so who exactly is sex being sold to? So maybe it's not about selling the artist's music but more about getting them more publicity? Never used to be that way. Stevie Nicks, Ann Wilson, Linda Ronstadt, Christine McVie, Pat Benatar, Debbie Harry, Chrissie Hynde, they never showed ton of skin
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 10, 2023 1:32:55 GMT
1) good question.
2) I have no idea.
But I'll try…
I have no use for pop singers of any sort, so this is very much like observing aliens from my point of view.
Since attraction to the performers appears to be ruled out and mere appreciation of their music would not require a strong image, what remains is self-identification with them as successful, attractive personas. Fans wish they could be what they see, do what the performers do, say what they say and so share in their success at impressing others.
Which in turn implies that mostly heterosexual women wish they were in a position to play a scantily clad, sexualised role.
Is it any different from boys wanting to be a guitar hero, impressing other boys under the fantasised belief it would get them all the girls? (We know it doesn't work. The singer gets the girls and the bass player is even worst off, only ending up helping the drummer pack his stuff. Still, all the boys learn to play guitar; go figure).
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Post by amyghost on Jun 11, 2023 16:58:35 GMT
The obvious answer is sex sells, but while female pop singers have their heterosexual male fans, most of their fanbases tend to be heterosexual girls/women and homosexual boys/men so who exactly is sex being sold to? So maybe it's not about selling the artist's music but more about getting them more publicity? I suspect the escalation of the porno ideal into mainstream entertainment had/has a great deal to do with this. As The GoodMan19 notes, this was not the trend in previous eras of rock--it's a fairly late in the game development, but has now become so ubiquitous that it feels as though it has been that way since forever. And I would certainly place some, if not all, of the blame for this at the feet of Madonna, who exploited that sort of meme ruthlessly throughout her career and helped turn it into an almost indelible essential of many later female rockers' personas. |
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The Lost One
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 12, 2023 9:24:29 GMT
And I would certainly place some, if not all, of the blame for this at the feet of Madonna, who exploited that sort of meme ruthlessly throughout her career and helped turn it into an almost indelible essential of many later female rockers' personas. You could be right that all this started with Madonna (I certainly can't think of many examples of this trend pre-Madonna), but I suppose what I'm trying to understand is what was she exploiting exactly? Straight men may have liked watching her videos but how many would have gone out to buy her albums? It seems quite different from acts like White Snake or Roxy Music who used sexualised women to sell albums to straight men. I wonder, similar to what Leo was saying above, is there something about the image of a sexualised female that also appeals to straight women and gay men - like sexualisation creates a sense of confidence and fabulousness? If so, is this something that naturally evolved or is it more sinister than that - male music execs pushing an ideal of the sexualised female to encourage impressionable women (and perhaps men too) to sexualise themselves for the benefit of those execs and people like them? |
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Post by amyghost on Jun 22, 2023 13:53:47 GMT
And I would certainly place some, if not all, of the blame for this at the feet of Madonna, who exploited that sort of meme ruthlessly throughout her career and helped turn it into an almost indelible essential of many later female rockers' personas. You could be right that all this started with Madonna (I certainly can't think of many examples of this trend pre-Madonna), but I suppose what I'm trying to understand is what was she exploiting exactly? Straight men may have liked watching her videos but how many would have gone out to buy her albums? It seems quite different from acts like White Snake or Roxy Music who used sexualised women to sell albums to straight men. I wonder, similar to what Leo was saying above, is there something about the image of a sexualised female that also appeals to straight women and gay men - like sexualisation creates a sense of confidence and fabulousness? If so, is this something that naturally evolved or is it more sinister than that - male music execs pushing an ideal of the sexualised female to encourage impressionable women (and perhaps men too) to sexualise themselves for the benefit of those execs and people like them? I'd say that's a definitely reasonable possibility. |
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Post by 博:Dr.BLΔD€:锯 on Jun 23, 2023 22:00:36 GMT
It is quite hot and humid at the moment.
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