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Post by janntosh on Jul 4, 2023 0:46:20 GMT
Just saw it. It’s fine. Its not some deconstruction of the franchise, nor does it really feel like Indy was upstaged by Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s character, if that’s what people were worried about. Not even close imo. I normally don't go this route, but I think there is definitely sexism playing a part in some people's response to her character. I have seen people complain about her being mean to Indy all the time, but I think that is the point - she isn't meant to be likable for the majority of the movie. the ending where she punches Indy and ends the movie right there is what is going to be the main thing people think of when it comes to her character and I can't blame them |
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 4, 2023 0:49:55 GMT
Not even close imo. I normally don't go this route, but I think there is definitely sexism playing a part in some people's response to her character. I have seen people complain about her being mean to Indy all the time, but I think that is the point - she isn't meant to be likable for the majority of the movie. the ending where she punches Indy and ends the movie right there is what is going to be the main thing people think of when it comes to her character and I can't blame them I have heard more than just that scene and while it is annoying, she did it for his benefit. Indy was being completely unreasonable during that scene. The movie doesn't end right there, it ends with him re-united with his wife. |
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Post by janntosh on Jul 4, 2023 1:02:30 GMT
the ending where she punches Indy and ends the movie right there is what is going to be the main thing people think of when it comes to her character and I can't blame them I have heard more than just that scene and while it is annoying, she did it for his benefit. Indy was being completely unreasonable during that scene. The movie doesn't end right there, it ends with him re-united with his wife. yeah robbing Indy of his agency in the climax of his own series is stupid. And the denouement was rushed if they hadn't fucked up the ending this movie would be better received I think |
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 4, 2023 1:06:25 GMT
I have heard more than just that scene and while it is annoying, she did it for his benefit. Indy was being completely unreasonable during that scene. The movie doesn't end right there, it ends with him re-united with his wife. yeah robbing Indy of his agency in the climax of his own series is stupid. And the denouement was rushed if they hadn't fucked up the ending this movie would be better received I think I see it a bit differently, but would I have preferred a different way of ending the movie, like her just reasoning with him more? Sure. He felt like he had nothing to go back to and she redeemed herself at the end by saving Indy from himself. Would people be complaining if it was a man that punched him? I doubt it. |
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 4, 2023 3:26:46 GMT
People expect way too much from Indiana Jones (much like they did with Luke and Han).
Pay attention to the original movies.
IJ loses the first artifact he seeks--he almost loses the medallion--which he only gets because Marion grabs it.
He almost gets poisoned by dates--Sallah saved him.
Right to the end where he loses the Ark to the government (although it made sense they would lock it away).
In Temple of Doom he almost gets poisoned again--he only survives because the dumb singer decided to keep the antidote vial.
He needs Short Round to save him from the spell of Kali (who protects us, we are her children)
and then magic is needed to stop Mola Ram before the British show up.
Let's not get into the Last Crusade and IJ needed dad to stop him from falling into a chasm!
People are reacting like they expect him to be more respected--he was never meant to be a role model.
I think people expect it because that is what you assume with adventure--strength and success-but you don't get that from modern Disney---and Kennedy is not to blame for that because Lucas was doing the same thing.
He wanted Short Round to be a girl originally.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Jul 4, 2023 5:25:09 GMT
Not in the theaters.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 4, 2023 6:10:28 GMT
People expect way too much from Indiana Jones (much like they did with Luke and Han). Pay attention to the original movies. IJ loses the first artifact he seeks--he almost loses the medallion--which he only gets because Marion grabs it. He almost gets poisoned by dates--Sallah saved him. Right to the end where he loses the Ark to the government (although it made sense they would lock it away). In Temple of Doom he almost gets poisoned again--he only survives because the dumb singer decided to keep the antidote vial. He needs Short Round to save him from the spell of Kali (who protects us, we are her children) and then magic is needed to stop Mola Ram before the British show up. Let's not get into the Last Crusade and IJ needed dad to stop him from falling into a chasm! People are reacting like they expect him to be more respected--he was never meant to be a role model. I think people expect it because that is what you assume with adventure--strength and success-but you don't get that from modern Disney---and Kennedy is not to blame for that because Lucas was doing the same thing. He wanted Short Round to be a girl originally.
We liked Marion. Some people liked Willie. His dad was amusing. WTF is this bitch? And let's not forget the original version of the movie killed Indy off and she took over like Halloween Ends replacing Michael Myers, which NOBODY liked.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 4, 2023 6:29:35 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Jul 4, 2023 7:09:44 GMT
If this movie underperforms
I bet it is because the idea of an 80 year-old being faked with cgi and handlers makes the audience think of Biden and they don't want to be reminded of him.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 4, 2023 17:44:21 GMT
The kid didn't bug me a whole lot, but you're right he was pale imitation of Shorty. And I couldn't agree more about how they misused Banderas.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 4, 2023 17:46:05 GMT
When Gal Gadot takes some acting lessons and starts doing anything legitimate, then she can spout off.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 4, 2023 17:47:27 GMT
When Gal Gadot takes some acting lessons and starts doing anything legitimate, then she can spout off.
Reviews aren't written by actors, they're written by people who watch the movies.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 4, 2023 21:21:16 GMT
Just saw it. It’s fine. Its not some deconstruction of the franchise, nor does it really feel like Indy was upstaged by Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s character, if that’s what people were worried about. Not even close imo. I normally don't go this route, but I think there is definitely sexism playing a part in some people's response to her character. I have seen people complain about her being mean to Indy all the time, but I think that is the point - she isn't meant to be likable for the majority of the movie. I wonder if those people are mad that she punched him out near the end, even though she did that to save him. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 5, 2023 12:34:11 GMT
The guy who made that video has no idea what he's talking about. He read some incel's review (who also had not seen the film) and went from there. There's no gender swapping here, Jones does not take a backseat in his own movie, and have his own legacy diminished to try and promote the Helena character. He has to bail her out of trouble more than once, he's just as active as ever (despite the occasional gripe about his physical condition-- which he's been doing since the first film), and he does the majority of the heavy lifting in terms of puzzle solving. I can only wonder how many people avoided this movie because they listened to shitheads like the guy who made this video. Maybe you don't like Indiana Jones, maybe you didn't like the last movie. Maybe you just think it's tired concept and this movie was completely unnecessary. All of these are perfectly valid reasons to avoid the film. But nobody should avoid the film under the assumption that it's 'woke,' or it somehow undermines his legacy to prop up the female character, the way they did Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi. Nothing like that happens in this movie, I can assure you. |
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Post by vegalyra on Jul 5, 2023 23:15:04 GMT
I went ahead and saw it during the matinee showing on Saturday. I thought it was a fun addition to the series unlike Skulls but it definitely didn’t quite measure up to the original trilogy. I agree Banderas didn’t have enough to do and I wish he had much more. The kid seemed pretty generic and forgettable.
Probably would have been cheese, but it might have been hilarious if Voller had survived and got stuck as a galley slave by that Roman soldier…
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 6, 2023 20:18:39 GMT
Yep, but not rushing to it. Maybe during 2nd wkend. Thu July 6, 12pm. 2 other ppl in my theatre. B-... lowest Indy film for me, first sequel not to be a B+. I added things in the Reviews forum/thread. |
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jul 14, 2023 4:19:37 GMT
Just got back from seeing it tonight. I thought it was pretty good and honestly I’m not even that big of an Indiana Jones fan. But overall I thought it was fun. Exciting plot and good performances. Really surprised about the luke warm reactions to the film. I give it a 7 outta 10 stars.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 14, 2023 16:18:14 GMT
Looks like the box office run will be ending by the end of this month with the upcoming digital release on August 29th.
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Post by ck100 on Oct 10, 2023 14:18:58 GMT
Coming December 5th.:
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Post by twothousandonemark on Oct 10, 2023 21:23:40 GMT
I don't think I'll ever watch it a 2nd time even once. I didn't hate it, it just didn't do a thing for me.
Crystal Skull was fun, I liked it, as my Indy sendoff.
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