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Post by Admin on Jan 4, 2024 21:09:07 GMT
I think any and all methods of murdering a helpless baby BECAUSE it's a helpless baby should be equally condemned.
Abortions are not carried out on this basis... Would you object if they were?
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 4, 2024 23:43:04 GMT
I think any and all methods of murdering a helpless baby BECAUSE it's a helpless baby should be equally condemned.
Abortions are not carried out on this basis, but most often for medical or health and welfare reasons - as I am sure you must realise away from your characteristic hyperbole. As such it is something of a non-sequitur too, so that is two fallacious ways of arguing in one post.
Funny, I don't see a source showing most abortions are done because the mother will LITERALLY die if she doesn't. Care to show us that?
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 4, 2024 23:58:43 GMT
I think any and all methods of murdering a helpless baby BECAUSE it's a helpless baby should be equally condemned. OK, but in that case why does God get off the hook for being the ultimate cause of miscarriage?
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 5, 2024 0:01:11 GMT
I think any and all methods of murdering a helpless baby BECAUSE it's a helpless baby should be equally condemned. OK, but in that case why does God get off the hook for being the ultimate cause of miscarriage? How is God 'the ultimate cause of miscarriage'? Did science determine that?
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Post by jimmyboy on Jan 5, 2024 2:04:21 GMT
Ok, so it appears you have no sympathy for the woman. What if it were you?
Is there a reason you can't answer why women shouldn't be legally allowed to kill their rapists if killing their baby, THEIR baby regardless of who the father is, is supposed to be so therapeutic for them? Rapists never stop and 98% of them will never spend a day in jail, so the solution is just let them keep raping women but it's OKAY because the women can just get an abortion and that's going to make it all better?
And should women also be allowed to kill their already born children if the father was a rapist? Can men punch their pregnant girlfriends in the stomach and kill the baby if she raped him to get pregnant?
If it were me, as previous stated, there's a pill that only costs $50 and it's in every pharmacy that can prevent pregnancy, even rape pregnancy, *that* problem would be solved. But rape card people always forget the matter of STDs, you can't just abort those and make them go away, some are here to stay, some are only treatable but not curable, some have become resilient to antibiotics, so what's the quick fix for them if a rapist is infected?
I think you gave me the answer I was looking for. You don't seem to have any sympathy anyone else. I hope you never experience any setbacks and have people blame you for it because they are "sinners".
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 5, 2024 4:11:19 GMT
Is there a reason you can't answer why women shouldn't be legally allowed to kill their rapists if killing their baby, THEIR baby regardless of who the father is, is supposed to be so therapeutic for them? Rapists never stop and 98% of them will never spend a day in jail, so the solution is just let them keep raping women but it's OKAY because the women can just get an abortion and that's going to make it all better?
And should women also be allowed to kill their already born children if the father was a rapist? Can men punch their pregnant girlfriends in the stomach and kill the baby if she raped him to get pregnant?
If it were me, as previous stated, there's a pill that only costs $50 and it's in every pharmacy that can prevent pregnancy, even rape pregnancy, *that* problem would be solved. But rape card people always forget the matter of STDs, you can't just abort those and make them go away, some are here to stay, some are only treatable but not curable, some have become resilient to antibiotics, so what's the quick fix for them if a rapist is infected?
I think you gave me the answer I was looking for. You don't seem to have any sympathy anyone else. I hope you never experience any setbacks and have people blame you for it because they are "sinners".
Sounds like your sympathy lies with the rapists.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 5, 2024 5:28:27 GMT
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 5, 2024 9:07:21 GMT
OK, but in that case why does God get off the hook for being the ultimate cause of miscarriage? How is God 'the ultimate cause of miscarriage'? Did science determine that? Well if God created the laws of nature and those laws lead to occasional miscarriages, doesn't that make God the cause of miscarriages?
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 5, 2024 18:11:17 GMT
How is God 'the ultimate cause of miscarriage'? Did science determine that? Well if God created the laws of nature and those laws lead to occasional miscarriages, doesn't that make God the cause of miscarriages?
And which law of nature would that be? The one that says thunder follows lightning, or some animals eat their mates? If it's a law of nature there has to be something resembling an exact description, doesn't there? Or is 'step on a crack, break your mother's back' a law of nature too? Because surely out of all the times it's been done, probably more than a few of said mothers in their lifetimes experienced spinal/vertebral fractures, meaning it would have to be causation, wouldn't it?
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 5, 2024 18:38:17 GMT
And which law of nature would that be? So one common cause of miscarriage is weak cervical tissue. If you believe in a creator God, you presumably believe he created the conditions that led to the development of humans. A certain percentage of human women will have, through no fault of their own, weak cervical tissue and will suffer miscarriages as a result. Could God have designed humans to have stronger cervical tissue to prevent these miscarriages and if he could, why didn't he?
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 5, 2024 18:55:55 GMT
And which law of nature would that be? So one common cause of miscarriage is weak cervical tissue. If you believe in a creator God, you presumably believe he created the conditions that led to the development of humans. A certain percentage of human women will have, through no fault of their own, weak cervical tissue and will suffer miscarriages as a result. Could God have designed humans to have stronger cervical tissue to prevent these miscarriages and if he could, why didn't he?
Why don't doctors and medical scientists, who now want to transplant women's wombs into men's bodies for trans pregnancies? If they think they can and should do that, is it really so impossible for them to find a way to strengthen women's cervical tissue?
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 5, 2024 19:16:14 GMT
So one common cause of miscarriage is weak cervical tissue. If you believe in a creator God, you presumably believe he created the conditions that led to the development of humans. A certain percentage of human women will have, through no fault of their own, weak cervical tissue and will suffer miscarriages as a result. Could God have designed humans to have stronger cervical tissue to prevent these miscarriages and if he could, why didn't he?
Why don't doctors and medical scientists, who now want to transplant women's wombs into men's bodies for trans pregnancies? If they think they can and should do that, is it really so impossible for them to find a way to strengthen women's cervical tissue?
Maybe they could but for the vast majority of human history, they haven't had the technology to do so. So what about all those miscarriages that occurred in the past? Does God not bear responsibility for them?
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Post by fengshuifromyuggoth on Jan 5, 2024 19:30:13 GMT
So one common cause of miscarriage is weak cervical tissue. If you believe in a creator God, you presumably believe he created the conditions that led to the development of humans. A certain percentage of human women will have, through no fault of their own, weak cervical tissue and will suffer miscarriages as a result. Could God have designed humans to have stronger cervical tissue to prevent these miscarriages and if he could, why didn't he?
Why don't doctors and medical scientists, who now want to transplant women's wombs into men's bodies for trans pregnancies? If they think they can and should do that, is it really so impossible for them to find a way to strengthen women's cervical tissue?
It seems a long standing question that you posed back on IMDb has finally been answered. You're welcome. filmboards.com/board/p/11500391/permalink/#p11500391
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 5, 2024 19:55:28 GMT
Why don't doctors and medical scientists, who now want to transplant women's wombs into men's bodies for trans pregnancies? If they think they can and should do that, is it really so impossible for them to find a way to strengthen women's cervical tissue?
Maybe they could but for the vast majority of human history, they haven't had the technology to do so. So what about all those miscarriages that occurred in the past? Does God not bear responsibility for them?
For the vast majority of human history, nobody knew you should wash your hands to prevent the spread of disease, and even once people figured this out, the majority didn't want to listen, and the doctor who made this discovery was murdered for his finding. So what you're really aiming at is what a lot of people angry at/don't believe in God ultimately ask, 'if God is real, why isn't life perfect?' none of whom can answer why *should* it be just because God is real? What does one have to do with the other? 'Oh if life were perfect, THEN we would believe in God'. Except no, even then people would have their excuses, because even back in Biblical times when people SAW God and *knew* He was real, they still didn't believe, they still didn't obey. So this little round and round is just going to go nowhere because you're not going to get the answers you want and even if you did you would just move the goalposts to another 'well why doesn't God blah blah blah?'
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Post by Admin on Jan 5, 2024 20:54:23 GMT
Maybe they could but for the vast majority of human history, they haven't had the technology to do so. So what about all those miscarriages that occurred in the past? Does God not bear responsibility for them? For the vast majority of human history, nobody knew you should wash your hands to prevent the spread of disease, and even once people figured this out, the majority didn't want to listen, and the doctor who made this discovery was murdered for his finding. So what you're really aiming at is what a lot of people angry at/don't believe in God ultimately ask, 'if God is real, why isn't life perfect?' none of whom can answer why *should* it be just because God is real? What does one have to do with the other? 'Oh if life were perfect, THEN we would believe in God'. Except no, even then people would have their excuses, because even back in Biblical times when people SAW God and *knew* He was real, they still didn't believe, they still didn't obey. So this little round and round is just going to go nowhere because you're not going to get the answers you want and even if you did you would just move the goalposts to another 'well why doesn't God blah blah blah?'
It's always the whys. Funny how people generally don't have a problem with not speaking for another person, but demand that someone speak for God.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2024 21:44:32 GMT
Abortions are not carried out on this basis... Would you object if they were? Yes, but why on earth would anyone want an abortion carried out just because the foetus is helpless? Abortions are overwhelmingly predicated around the health and wellbeing of women.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2024 21:48:14 GMT
Abortions are not carried out on this basis, but most often for medical or health and welfare reasons - as I am sure you must realise away from your characteristic hyperbole. As such it is something of a non-sequitur too, so that is two fallacious ways of arguing in one post.
Funny, I don't see a source showing most abortions are done because the mother will LITERALLY die if she doesn't. Care to show us that?
It is not funny at all since I have not asserted this, so I have nothing to substantiate. What is funnier is that you still have not answered my question directly about God deliberately creating the natural evil of miscarriages.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2024 21:52:51 GMT
OK, but in that case why does God get off the hook for being the ultimate cause of miscarriage? How is God 'the ultimate cause of miscarriage'? *SIGH* Have you really not been paying attention? I can't be bothered to write the points out all over again. Go back and read them. Are miscarriages not a natural evil?
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Post by Admin on Jan 5, 2024 21:59:15 GMT
Would you object if they were? Yes, but why on earth would anyone want an abortion carried out just because the foetus is helpless? Because they can.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2024 22:01:52 GMT
For the vast majority of human history, nobody knew you should wash your hands to prevent the spread of disease, and even once people figured this out, the majority didn't want to listen, and the doctor who made this discovery was murdered for his finding. What ill-informed nonsense. Ignaz Semmelweis, a Hungarian doctor working in Vienna General Hospital, is known as the father of hand hygiene. His final demise's cause is debatable. It might have been due to Alzheimer's disease. It might have been third-stage syphilis, a then-common disease of obstetricians who examined thousands of women at gratis institutions, or it might have been emotional exhaustion from overwork and stress. [Source: Semmelweis Society International. "Dr Semmelweis' Biography"] But he was not murdered. (Just like Jesus was not murdered or killed, but strictly speaking in his case it was suicide since he could have saved himself) Just answer the questions put to you by two people now and stop with the evasions. .
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