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Post by transfuged on May 31, 2024 20:49:05 GMT
Then it isn't contraception. Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif)
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2024 21:20:59 GMT
Then it isn't contraception. Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love. Contraception prevents pregnancy, abortion terminates pregnancy. Since you made it clear that there's no difference between "aborting gestation" and "terminating pregnancy," it's too late for semantics.
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Post by transfuged on Jun 1, 2024 1:50:36 GMT
Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love. Contraception prevents pregnancy, abortion terminates pregnancy. Since you made it clear that there's no difference between "aborting gestation" and "terminating pregnancy," it's too late for semantics. I replied with an agenda on my mind. You don’t. I put it back over my ear and i’ll smoke it later. Or I might not. It depends also to whom ?
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Post by amyghost on Jun 1, 2024 1:56:04 GMT
Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love.It also requires enormous amounts of money to raise a child. Not every woman who becomes pregnant is in a position to meet that financial obligation. And I suspect our friend knows very little about actual, real-world childcare if he/she thinks there's nothing 'complicated' about it. Of course, very often the less you know about a subject, the more you know about a subject. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by transfuged on Jun 1, 2024 2:07:25 GMT
Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love.It also requires enormous amounts of money to raise a child. Not every woman who becomes pregnant is in a position to meet that financial obligation. And I suspect our friend knows very little about actual, real-world childcare if he/she thinks there's nothing 'complicated' about it. Of course, very often the less you know about a subject, the more you know about a subject. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Education has been artificially made expensive. My whole familly is into education. (Save for one late uncle who was a lawyer, that killed him). ”Our” way of life is insane when it does that. My point , my sentence is about of one (cod) point : babies. Admin cuts hairs and ... flies and writes ”too late”, I point out that my point is not children education. For it is even cheaper to educate children. They stop needing extreme amount of love and attention at some point, all they need is brain to help them explore the realm of reality with their mind and to help them develop the intelligence that they all got. And money can’t bring you that.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 15, 2024 6:17:56 GMT
'Only a Sith deals in absolutes'
I don't know why absolutes need to be brought into this.
Should a women legally be able to intentionally put the fetus at harm if they are planning on going through with the pregnancy? That is a tough question to answer, because I don't even know how we would punish this. I think it is pragmatic to not make it illegal though. This is because if we start legally restricting what pregnant women can do then I start to get a bit concerned. Like I said though, there is room for debate. It is also a bit of a ridiculous question, because I don't think many women are intentionally trying to harm their fetus just for the fun of it. We should encourage women to be responsible while pregnant and I think most are reasonable enough to do that and would do it anyway.
These are also 2 separate issues. Bodily autonomy has more to do with that someone else isn't allowed to use your body parts without your permission, whereas the other is imply restricting what you are allowed to put into your body. Like illegal substances for example. A women who is smoking crack while pregnant is already breaking the law by smoking crack. Not allowing people to legally smoke crack is a limit on what you are allowed to do with your own body. That is not the same as forcing you to give a kidney or something.
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 15, 2024 23:51:09 GMT
Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love.It also requires enormous amounts of money to raise a child. Not every woman who becomes pregnant is in a position to meet that financial obligation. And I suspect our friend knows very little about actual, real-world childcare if he/she thinks there's nothing 'complicated' about it. Of course, very often the less you know about a subject, the more you know about a subject. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
Aside from all the women who get free childcare courtesy of our tax dollars because they either don't make a certain amount of money per year or just don't want to work, and we know several of those, yes, childcare is expensive, it's a racket, that's why in 2 parent homes, more mothers are opting to be stay at home so they don't have to work all day to pay thousands of dollars per month to daycares for the privilege of working all day to make enough money to afford daycare. It's also why THOSE kids are generally better behaved and intellectually ahead of their stranger-raised peers, because they have an actual attached bond to their parents who become their first and foremost authority. The spawns from hell variety of children everybody knows and fears bringing into the world are a result of NO parental relationship, they're left to strangers and even other kids their own age to raise them and be their role model and teach them what they're supposed to do. Amazing that that idea has such a high failure rate. School age children in this day and age are exhibiting behavior more akin to wild animals than a human being raised in a first world country, most of whom live with the woman who gave birth to them, so what's the explanation for their feral behavior? There's a reason why teachers are quitting in droves, a very large reason being the behavior of the students. Students have always misbehaved, so why is it forcing teachers out of the business now and forcing schools to close? Oh, because now there is NO accountability in the homes, that's WHY the kids are murderous little demons at school, because when the teachers call the parents, the parents get mad at the teachers for not making them mind and tell them 'that's YOUR job'.
And since we've established photos CAN be evidence, videos sure as hell can, and big surprise, on videos there are also things called comments where you can read the opinions of many other people to see if they agree or disagree with the subject matter.
There seems to be a common theme here. If the kids do well, everybody praises the PARENTS for it, for putting in the effort to WORK with their children and TEACH them and make sure they stayed on track. If the kids are demons from hell, the PARENTS are blamed for it for NOT raising them, NOT working with them, NOT teaching them, NOT being a good influence. The teachers say they can't teach the kids if the PARENTS don't teach them first and work with them. It all comes back to the parents, which kind of suggests no, you're NOT actually being a parent if you can't bother raising your child, JUST because you had them and they live with you, that alone is not being a parent, RAISING them makes a parent, and you have to actually spend time with them to raise them. And of course everybody will makes excuses 'oh parents are SOOOO busy! They just don't have time!', said people in a 1st world country where you turn a knob to get running water in your kitchen instead of chain ganging it out of a well or pumping it out of the backyard, to put over a wood fire you chopped the kindling for, to cook a meal of meat you either slaughtered yourself or walked miles on a dirt road into town and bought from the butcher and vegetables you grew with again, no running water, no hose, no sprinkler, so maybe the crops come in, or maybe you go hungry over the winter because it didn't rain in the summer so there wasn't any good wheat to make your own bread with. Parents have ALWAYS been busy, ALWAYS had to work all day, and they still had kids who were capable of behaving and learning and being actual humans and active members of their society.
Any way you spin this argument, it still goes back to before women EVER get pregnant, they used the excuse 'my body my choice' to make stupid choices, they CHOSE not to think about the consequences of their actions, then they cry that it's everybody else's fault but their own when their bad choices come back to bite them. People say stereotypes exist for a reason, there are a lot of stereotypes and 'jokes' about responsibility and accountability being like Kryptonite for women. Maybe the fact an estimated 10% of mothers don't know who the dads of their kids are has something to do with keeping that 'joke' alive. I wonder by contrast how many men don't know who their kids' moms are?
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Post by amyghost on Jun 16, 2024 13:22:09 GMT
Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love.It also requires enormous amounts of money to raise a child. Not every woman who becomes pregnant is in a position to meet that financial obligation. And I suspect our friend knows very little about actual, real-world childcare if he/she thinks there's nothing 'complicated' about it. Of course, very often the less you know about a subject, the more you know about a subject. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
Aside from all the women who get free childcare courtesy of our tax dollars because they either don't make a certain amount of money per year or just don't want to work, and we know several of those, yes, childcare is expensive, it's a racket, that's why in 2 parent homes, more mothers are opting to be stay at home so they don't have to work all day to pay thousands of dollars per month to daycares for the privilege of working all day to make enough money to afford daycare. It's also why THOSE kids are generally better behaved and intellectually ahead of their stranger-raised peers, because they have an actual attached bond to their parents who become their first and foremost authority. The spawns from hell variety of children everybody knows and fears bringing into the world are a result of NO parental relationship, they're left to strangers and even other kids their own age to raise them and be their role model and teach them what they're supposed to do. Amazing that that idea has such a high failure rate. School age children in this day and age are exhibiting behavior more akin to wild animals than a human being raised in a first world country, most of whom live with the woman who gave birth to them, so what's the explanation for their feral behavior? There's a reason why teachers are quitting in droves, a very large reason being the behavior of the students. Students have always misbehaved, so why is it forcing teachers out of the business now and forcing schools to close? Oh, because now there is NO accountability in the homes, that's WHY the kids are murderous little demons at school, because when the teachers call the parents, the parents get mad at the teachers for not making them mind and tell them 'that's YOUR job'.
And since we've established photos CAN be evidence, videos sure as hell can, and big surprise, on videos there are also things called comments where you can read the opinions of many other people to see if they agree or disagree with the subject matter.
There seems to be a common theme here. If the kids do well, everybody praises the PARENTS for it, for putting in the effort to WORK with their children and TEACH them and make sure they stayed on track. If the kids are demons from hell, the PARENTS are blamed for it for NOT raising them, NOT working with them, NOT teaching them, NOT being a good influence. The teachers say they can't teach the kids if the PARENTS don't teach them first and work with them. It all comes back to the parents, which kind of suggests no, you're NOT actually being a parent if you can't bother raising your child, JUST because you had them and they live with you, that alone is not being a parent, RAISING them makes a parent, and you have to actually spend time with them to raise them. And of course everybody will makes excuses 'oh parents are SOOOO busy! They just don't have time!', said people in a 1st world country where you turn a knob to get running water in your kitchen instead of chain ganging it out of a well or pumping it out of the backyard, to put over a wood fire you chopped the kindling for, to cook a meal of meat you either slaughtered yourself or walked miles on a dirt road into town and bought from the butcher and vegetables you grew with again, no running water, no hose, no sprinkler, so maybe the crops come in, or maybe you go hungry over the winter because it didn't rain in the summer so there wasn't any good wheat to make your own bread with. Parents have ALWAYS been busy, ALWAYS had to work all day, and they still had kids who were capable of behaving and learning and being actual humans and active members of their society.
Any way you spin this argument, it still goes back to before women EVER get pregnant, they used the excuse 'my body my choice' to make stupid choices, they CHOSE not to think about the consequences of their actions, then they cry that it's everybody else's fault but their own when their bad choices come back to bite them. People say stereotypes exist for a reason, there are a lot of stereotypes and 'jokes' about responsibility and accountability being like Kryptonite for women. Maybe the fact an estimated 10% of mothers don't know who the dads of their kids are has something to do with keeping that 'joke' alive. I wonder by contrast how many men don't know who their kids' moms are?
More internet 'newz' for those who don't require things such as facts or researchable data--just sensationalist anecdata that plays to pre-existing, usually unexamined, biases. It would be pleasant if some space limits could be placed on users who insist on cluttering up threads with this junk.
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Post by jimmyboy on Jun 16, 2024 18:47:53 GMT
Mmm, 50/50 I’d say. Depends on how one defines contraception for sure. You ? Because, roughly, being on the Pill is wanting to have no troubles. N6 rants about babies, when actually, the point is avoiding ”complications” (I hate that word). And in my very humble opinion, in 2024, if something so small as a baby is a ”complication”, then something is amiss somewhere. Baby caring is simple, it needs food, hygiene, warm in the winter, shade in the summer, attention and love. Contraception prevents pregnancy, abortion terminates pregnancy. Since you made it clear that there's no difference between "aborting gestation" and "terminating pregnancy," it's too late for semantics. Don't Catholics prohibit contraceptives?
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Post by jimmyboy on Jun 16, 2024 18:49:22 GMT
Aside from all the women who get free childcare courtesy of our tax dollars because they either don't make a certain amount of money per year or just don't want to work, and we know several of those, yes, childcare is expensive, it's a racket, that's why in 2 parent homes, more mothers are opting to be stay at home so they don't have to work all day to pay thousands of dollars per month to daycares for the privilege of working all day to make enough money to afford daycare. It's also why THOSE kids are generally better behaved and intellectually ahead of their stranger-raised peers, because they have an actual attached bond to their parents who become their first and foremost authority. The spawns from hell variety of children everybody knows and fears bringing into the world are a result of NO parental relationship, they're left to strangers and even other kids their own age to raise them and be their role model and teach them what they're supposed to do. Amazing that that idea has such a high failure rate. School age children in this day and age are exhibiting behavior more akin to wild animals than a human being raised in a first world country, most of whom live with the woman who gave birth to them, so what's the explanation for their feral behavior? There's a reason why teachers are quitting in droves, a very large reason being the behavior of the students. Students have always misbehaved, so why is it forcing teachers out of the business now and forcing schools to close? Oh, because now there is NO accountability in the homes, that's WHY the kids are murderous little demons at school, because when the teachers call the parents, the parents get mad at the teachers for not making them mind and tell them 'that's YOUR job'.
And since we've established photos CAN be evidence, videos sure as hell can, and big surprise, on videos there are also things called comments where you can read the opinions of many other people to see if they agree or disagree with the subject matter.
There seems to be a common theme here. If the kids do well, everybody praises the PARENTS for it, for putting in the effort to WORK with their children and TEACH them and make sure they stayed on track. If the kids are demons from hell, the PARENTS are blamed for it for NOT raising them, NOT working with them, NOT teaching them, NOT being a good influence. The teachers say they can't teach the kids if the PARENTS don't teach them first and work with them. It all comes back to the parents, which kind of suggests no, you're NOT actually being a parent if you can't bother raising your child, JUST because you had them and they live with you, that alone is not being a parent, RAISING them makes a parent, and you have to actually spend time with them to raise them. And of course everybody will makes excuses 'oh parents are SOOOO busy! They just don't have time!', said people in a 1st world country where you turn a knob to get running water in your kitchen instead of chain ganging it out of a well or pumping it out of the backyard, to put over a wood fire you chopped the kindling for, to cook a meal of meat you either slaughtered yourself or walked miles on a dirt road into town and bought from the butcher and vegetables you grew with again, no running water, no hose, no sprinkler, so maybe the crops come in, or maybe you go hungry over the winter because it didn't rain in the summer so there wasn't any good wheat to make your own bread with. Parents have ALWAYS been busy, ALWAYS had to work all day, and they still had kids who were capable of behaving and learning and being actual humans and active members of their society.
Any way you spin this argument, it still goes back to before women EVER get pregnant, they used the excuse 'my body my choice' to make stupid choices, they CHOSE not to think about the consequences of their actions, then they cry that it's everybody else's fault but their own when their bad choices come back to bite them. People say stereotypes exist for a reason, there are a lot of stereotypes and 'jokes' about responsibility and accountability being like Kryptonite for women. Maybe the fact an estimated 10% of mothers don't know who the dads of their kids are has something to do with keeping that 'joke' alive. I wonder by contrast how many men don't know who their kids' moms are?
More internet 'newz' for those who don't require things such as facts or researchable data--just sensationalist anecdata that plays to pre-existing, usually unexamined, biases. It would be pleasant if some space limits could be placed on users who insist on cluttering up threads with this junk. Some people clearly get their news from the National Enquirer
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Post by amyghost on Jun 16, 2024 20:04:02 GMT
Contraception prevents pregnancy, abortion terminates pregnancy. Since you made it clear that there's no difference between "aborting gestation" and "terminating pregnancy," it's too late for semantics. Don't Catholics prohibit contraceptives? And many rabid evangelicals are already looking for ways to prohibit access to contraceptives as well. We have a religious mafia intent on turning the US into Ireland circa 1952.
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Post by jimmyboy on Jun 16, 2024 22:07:00 GMT
Don't Catholics prohibit contraceptives? And many rabid evangelicals are already looking for ways to prohibit access to contraceptives as well. We have a religious mafia intent on turning the US into Ireland circa 1952. Ironic considering Ireland is more progressive than the US now. They have a gay president. They were one of the first to allow women to vote. The Catholic church has lost a lot of influence due to molestation charges with the clergy.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2024 3:31:43 GMT
Contraception prevents pregnancy, abortion terminates pregnancy. Since you made it clear that there's no difference between "aborting gestation" and "terminating pregnancy," it's too late for semantics. Don't Catholics prohibit contraceptives? Morons prohibit contraceptives. And when they also prohibit abortion, they're too stupid for words. But that doesn't mean that their arguments are automatically disqualified.
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 21, 2024 14:36:58 GMT
Aside from all the women who get free childcare courtesy of our tax dollars because they either don't make a certain amount of money per year or just don't want to work, and we know several of those, yes, childcare is expensive, it's a racket, that's why in 2 parent homes, more mothers are opting to be stay at home so they don't have to work all day to pay thousands of dollars per month to daycares for the privilege of working all day to make enough money to afford daycare. It's also why THOSE kids are generally better behaved and intellectually ahead of their stranger-raised peers, because they have an actual attached bond to their parents who become their first and foremost authority. The spawns from hell variety of children everybody knows and fears bringing into the world are a result of NO parental relationship, they're left to strangers and even other kids their own age to raise them and be their role model and teach them what they're supposed to do. Amazing that that idea has such a high failure rate. School age children in this day and age are exhibiting behavior more akin to wild animals than a human being raised in a first world country, most of whom live with the woman who gave birth to them, so what's the explanation for their feral behavior? There's a reason why teachers are quitting in droves, a very large reason being the behavior of the students. Students have always misbehaved, so why is it forcing teachers out of the business now and forcing schools to close? Oh, because now there is NO accountability in the homes, that's WHY the kids are murderous little demons at school, because when the teachers call the parents, the parents get mad at the teachers for not making them mind and tell them 'that's YOUR job'.
And since we've established photos CAN be evidence, videos sure as hell can, and big surprise, on videos there are also things called comments where you can read the opinions of many other people to see if they agree or disagree with the subject matter.
There seems to be a common theme here. If the kids do well, everybody praises the PARENTS for it, for putting in the effort to WORK with their children and TEACH them and make sure they stayed on track. If the kids are demons from hell, the PARENTS are blamed for it for NOT raising them, NOT working with them, NOT teaching them, NOT being a good influence. The teachers say they can't teach the kids if the PARENTS don't teach them first and work with them. It all comes back to the parents, which kind of suggests no, you're NOT actually being a parent if you can't bother raising your child, JUST because you had them and they live with you, that alone is not being a parent, RAISING them makes a parent, and you have to actually spend time with them to raise them. And of course everybody will makes excuses 'oh parents are SOOOO busy! They just don't have time!', said people in a 1st world country where you turn a knob to get running water in your kitchen instead of chain ganging it out of a well or pumping it out of the backyard, to put over a wood fire you chopped the kindling for, to cook a meal of meat you either slaughtered yourself or walked miles on a dirt road into town and bought from the butcher and vegetables you grew with again, no running water, no hose, no sprinkler, so maybe the crops come in, or maybe you go hungry over the winter because it didn't rain in the summer so there wasn't any good wheat to make your own bread with. Parents have ALWAYS been busy, ALWAYS had to work all day, and they still had kids who were capable of behaving and learning and being actual humans and active members of their society.
Any way you spin this argument, it still goes back to before women EVER get pregnant, they used the excuse 'my body my choice' to make stupid choices, they CHOSE not to think about the consequences of their actions, then they cry that it's everybody else's fault but their own when their bad choices come back to bite them. People say stereotypes exist for a reason, there are a lot of stereotypes and 'jokes' about responsibility and accountability being like Kryptonite for women. Maybe the fact an estimated 10% of mothers don't know who the dads of their kids are has something to do with keeping that 'joke' alive. I wonder by contrast how many men don't know who their kids' moms are?
More internet 'newz' for those who don't require things such as facts or researchable data--just sensationalist anecdata that plays to pre-existing, usually unexamined, biases. It would be pleasant if some space limits could be placed on users who insist on cluttering up threads with this junk.
It would be pleasant if people could act like they didn't get through school just telling the teachers 'do my work for me', but you've proven any 'research' you do, when you actually do, is even more heavily biased.
Every 'women need abortions because' argument is just an anecdote. Every case is just an anecdote. Facts are made by compiling millions of individual anecdotes.
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Post by amyghost on Jun 22, 2024 12:35:48 GMT
More internet 'newz' for those who don't require things such as facts or researchable data--just sensationalist anecdata that plays to pre-existing, usually unexamined, biases. It would be pleasant if some space limits could be placed on users who insist on cluttering up threads with this junk.
It would be pleasant if people could act like they didn't get through school just telling the teachers 'do my work for me', but you've proven any 'research' you do, when you actually do, is even more heavily biased.
Every 'women need abortions because' argument is just an anecdote. Every case is just an anecdote. Facts are made by compiling millions of individual anecdotes.
I don't know what to say to that post except shake my head, laugh, and observe that you've just posted a perfect capsule description of what you do on this thread...and elsewhere, constantly. Facts are not 'made by compiling millions of individual anecdotes', which is also a perfect encapsulation of what's wrong with your thinking and your 'research' from the word go.
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Post by jimmyboy on Jun 23, 2024 17:40:03 GMT
Don't Catholics prohibit contraceptives? Morons prohibit contraceptives. And when they also prohibit abortion, they're too stupid for words. But that doesn't mean that their arguments are automatically disqualified. A lot of this comes from the "go forth and multiply" belief. How much is too much multiplying - I don't think humans are going to to become extinct due to lack of multiplying. Maybe a catastrophe, but not for lack of breeding.
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