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Post by janntosh on Aug 19, 2023 23:04:44 GMT
Thing is clearly BS! Janet Leigh is given the “and” credit which is for a notable actor that has a SUPPORTING role. Not the lead. The “people were shocked because people thought Janet Leigh is the lead” thing is one of those “fun facts” people like to say but it is clearly not true
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 19, 2023 23:43:06 GMT
Thing is clearly BS! Janet Leigh is given the “and” credit which is for a notable actor that has a SUPPORTING role. Not the lead. The “people were shocked because people thought Janet Leigh is the lead” thing is one of those “fun facts” people like to say but it is clearly not true Not everyone pays attention to the credits though. I often don't. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 20, 2023 0:04:26 GMT
Back then, I don't think people were as in tune with what particular credits meant and how they were worded. So I think people just saw her name in the credits, paid it no mind, followed her for the first part of the movie and were surprised when she was killed off.
I think the bigger question is why it came as so much of a shock when the movie was based on a novel that a lot of people had presumably read at the time.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 20, 2023 0:13:28 GMT
Back then, I don't think people were as in tune with what particular credits meant and how they were worded. So I think people just saw her name in the credits, paid it no mind, followed her for the first part of the movie and were surprised when she was killed off. I think the bigger question is why it came as so much of a shock when the movie was based on a novel that a lot of people had presumably read at the time. Yeah, but how many people do you think read the novel? Even if it was 1 in 5 (which I doubt) there would still be plenty of people who didn't. Not to mention the movie was released only a year after the novel. |
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Post by alpha128 on Aug 20, 2023 0:29:14 GMT
Thing is clearly BS! Janet Leigh is given the “and” credit which is for a notable actor that has a SUPPORTING role. Not the lead. The “people were shocked because people thought Janet Leigh is the lead” thing is one of those “fun facts” people like to say but it is clearly not true I think the poster certainly creates the impression that Janet Leigh is a major character in the movie. Her image is much larger than that of anyone else.  As for why people didn't know the twist because of the source material, according to IMDb trivia: |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 20, 2023 17:37:34 GMT
In addition to what alpha said, Hitchcock made it so you couldn't be admitted to the movie if you were late so that everyone watching would be introduced to Janet/Marion as the lead. He also made a trailer for the movie where he swapped Janet with Vera Miles, so keeping her death a surprise was clearly important to him.
We're also talking about something that had never been done before. It's been imitiated since with your Ned Starks and Drew Barrymores, but in 1960 you wouldn't be sitting there thinking "ha, 'and'. Bet she's a red herring protagonist. Rookie mistake." The billing is probably an actor negotiation thing out of his control anyway.
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Post by janntosh on Aug 20, 2023 17:43:30 GMT
In addition to what alpha said, Hitchcock made it so you couldn't be admitted to the movie if you were late so that everyone watching would be introduced to Janet/Marion as the lead. He also made a trailer for the movie where he swapped Janet with Vera Miles, so keeping her death a surprise was clearly important to him. We're also talking about something that had never been done before. It's been imitiated since with your Ned Starks and Drew Barrymores, but in 1960 you wouldn't be sitting there thinking "ha, 'and'. Bet she's a red herring protagonist. Rookie mistake." The billing is probably an actor negotiation thing out of his control anyway. The “people thought Barrymore was the lead in Scream” is definitely absolute nonsense since not only does Barrymore get the “and” credit but she is hardly featured in the trailers |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 20, 2023 17:50:38 GMT
In addition to what alpha said, Hitchcock made it so you couldn't be admitted to the movie if you were late so that everyone watching would be introduced to Janet/Marion as the lead. He also made a trailer for the movie where he swapped Janet with Vera Miles, so keeping her death a surprise was clearly important to him. We're also talking about something that had never been done before. It's been imitiated since with your Ned Starks and Drew Barrymores, but in 1960 you wouldn't be sitting there thinking "ha, 'and'. Bet she's a red herring protagonist. Rookie mistake." The billing is probably an actor negotiation thing out of his control anyway. The “people thought Barrymore was the lead in Scream” is definitely absolute nonsense since not only does Barrymore get the “and” credit but she is hardly featured in the trailers That one is a bit of a grey area, but Barrymore was far and away the biggest star (she was originally set to play Sidney in fact) and she was the only face featured on the original poster.  Only so much trailers can do with one scene of footage. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 20, 2023 18:19:41 GMT
The “people thought Barrymore was the lead in Scream” is definitely absolute nonsense since not only does Barrymore get the “and” credit but she is hardly featured in the trailers That one is a bit of a grey area, but Barrymore was far and away the biggest star (she was originally set to play Sidney in fact) and she was the only face featured on the original poster. Only so much trailers can do with one scene of footage. That's Barrymore's face on that poster? I didn't know that. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 20, 2023 18:28:26 GMT
That one is a bit of a grey area, but Barrymore was far and away the biggest star (she was originally set to play Sidney in fact) and she was the only face featured on the original poster. Only so much trailers can do with one scene of footage. That's Barrymore's face on that poster? I didn't know that. I thought it was obvious from the eyes.  |
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Post by ck100 on Aug 20, 2023 18:38:27 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 20, 2023 18:42:14 GMT
In addition to what alpha said, Hitchcock made it so you couldn't be admitted to the movie if you were late so that everyone watching would be introduced to Janet/Marion as the lead. He also made a trailer for the movie where he swapped Janet with Vera Miles, so keeping her death a surprise was clearly important to him. I didn't realize Hitchcock swapped Leigh with Miles--I guess I didn't pay attention to the trailer (the one where he tours the house). You mean he put Miles in the shower too and filmed a fake shot of her?
I guess since I knew how it went I just assumed it was the former-but maybe not in 1960 if seeing it in a theater.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 20, 2023 18:54:52 GMT
In addition to what alpha said, Hitchcock made it so you couldn't be admitted to the movie if you were late so that everyone watching would be introduced to Janet/Marion as the lead. He also made a trailer for the movie where he swapped Janet with Vera Miles, so keeping her death a surprise was clearly important to him. I didn't realize Hitchcock swapped Leigh with Miles--I guess I didn't pay attention to the trailer (the one where he tours the house). You mean he put Miles in the shower too and filmed a fake shot of her?
I guess since I knew how it went I just assumed it was the former-but maybe not in 1960 if seeing it in a theater.
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