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Post by Jedan Archer on Jun 8, 2017 8:43:57 GMT
Thanks for the spoilers. Well, that remains to be seen. Have not watched a Superhero movie in theaters since Nolan left the madhouse a decade ago, and I thought it was all going downhill the formulaic assembly line from there (with a few notable exceptions like Logan, Kick-Ass and such). But just saw some CNN coverage on how incredibly "historic" this CBM movie is; so I may invite the GF to see this after all, this does not count as a pure man-flick, right? What spoiler? That it's a comic booky movie? Well it has a woman in the lead... If you don't want to be spoiled about the fucking tone of the fucking movie don't reply to a thread about it. What spoilers man? Tone spoilering is the worst thing a man can do to another man. It's heinous, it's mean, it's below the belt. You don't tell me how to feel. Nobody tells me that! Especially not about a woman. Hear me? Nobody!
True dat, though I would have clad it in less classy language, you spoilerific snowflake.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 8, 2017 19:32:45 GMT
Not sure if metacritic scores are more or less reliable than RT but on Metacritic it is joint 8 generally less if you go by numbers and variety, Metacritic scores are composed of only a fraction of RT scores reviews, and are only English language reviews. RT is too narrow too, but still the broadest, multinational aggregator out there. For instance: WW sports 50 reviews on Metacritic, but 271 on RT (mostly overlapping). The average rating for WW is 7.6 on both forums though.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 8, 2017 19:38:22 GMT
I am curious about that, how do they measure this? TDK has a higher RT score than both 'Logan' and 'Wonder Woman', in addition to having more reviews at the moment. So how come the latter films are ranked higher?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 8, 2017 19:44:42 GMT
I am curious about that, how do they measure this? TDK has a higher RT score than both 'Logan' and 'Wonder Woman', in addition to having more reviews at the moment. So how come the latter films are ranked higher? they say that they use a weighted formula (Bayesian) to account for the different numbers of reviews per movie, essentially to create a fair comparison (see link).
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Post by sostie on Jun 8, 2017 20:06:43 GMT
Not sure if metacritic scores are more or less reliable than RT but on Metacritic it is joint 8 generally less if you go by numbers and variety, Metacritic scores are composed of only a fraction of RT scores reviews, and are only English language reviews. RT is too narrow too, but still the broadest, multinational aggregator out there. For instance: WW sports 50 reviews on Metacritic, but 271 on RT (mostly overlapping). The average rating for WW is 7.6 on both forums though. What really puzzles me is how both give a score/rating to a what are mostly written reviews wiothout a score.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 8, 2017 20:14:25 GMT
generally less if you go by numbers and variety, Metacritic scores are composed of only a fraction of RT scores reviews, and are only English language reviews. RT is too narrow too, but still the broadest, multinational aggregator out there. For instance: WW sports 50 reviews on Metacritic, but 271 on RT (mostly overlapping). The average rating for WW is 7.6 on both forums though. What really puzzles me is how both give a score/rating to a what are mostly written reviews wiothout a score. as far as I know one contractual prerequisite to be featured in either forum (which is a status privilege) is for the relevant critic/media to give a score that can be processed (even if not included in the review), and in the case of RT also a thumbs up/down /rotten/fresh rating) for their tomatometer.
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Post by sostie on Jun 8, 2017 20:15:50 GMT
What really puzzles me is how both give a score/rating to a what are mostly written reviews wiothout a score. as far as I know one contractual prerequisite to be featured in either forum (which is a status privilege) is for the relevant critic/media to give a score that can be processed (even if not included in the review), and in the case of RT also a thumbs up/down /rotten/fresh rating) for their tomatometer. That explains it then. thanks
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 10, 2017 18:13:38 GMT
ArArArchStanton-Bump for information purposes.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2017 21:30:46 GMT
(to date) after Logan on first, and TDK on second place. This is based on adjusted RT scores. editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/Not my personal choice that. But with an opening weekend at $100M in the US this is is by far the most successful female Superhero movie ever - and even beating her male companions. Super hero origin story films usually do not reach this height at the box office. Last November’s Doctor Strange bowed to $85.1M while the first Captain America and Thor movies debuted to just over $65M each in 2011. Well, and even if the movie is not a bona fide classic transcending the genre, the commercial facts make WW a little bit of a historic milestone. Wonder Woman is now #2, behind only Logan.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 12, 2017 21:36:56 GMT
(to date) after Logan on first, and TDK on second place. This is based on adjusted RT scores. editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/Not my personal choice that. But with an opening weekend at $100M in the US this is is by far the most successful female Superhero movie ever - and even beating her male companions. Super hero origin story films usually do not reach this height at the box office. Last November’s Doctor Strange bowed to $85.1M while the first Captain America and Thor movies debuted to just over $65M each in 2011. Well, and even if the movie is not a bona fide classic transcending the genre, the commercial facts make WW a little bit of a historic milestone. Wonder Woman is now #2, behind only Logan. Sweet Zomie Jesus, spread the word, brother!
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 12, 2017 22:06:17 GMT
TDK is still easily the best of the three, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 22:11:59 GMT
TDK is still easily the best of the three, though. Not by a long shot. Too many plot holes and bad pacing.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 12, 2017 22:57:12 GMT
TDK is still easily the best of the three, though. Not by a long shot. Too many plot holes and bad pacing. In WW or TDK?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:03:06 GMT
Not by a long shot. Too many plot holes and bad pacing. In WW or TDK? TDK. It was completely unnecessary to spend a 20 minutes going over the steps for kidnapping a man from his office in China when they could have saved SO much time just by having Batsy stop him at the airport. And doing Two-Face's entire story in one go and then just killing him was a total waste of the character. The film should have ended with the Joker's arrest and Two-Face disappearing into the Gotham underground to build his own criminal empire for the third movie. And then there's the fact the Joker would have to be omnipresent and omnipotent for any of his schemes to work.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 12, 2017 23:13:29 GMT
TDK. It was completely unnecessary to spend a 20 minutes going over the steps for kidnapping a man from his office in China when they could have saved SO much time just by having Batsy stop him at the airport. And doing Two-Face's entire story in one go and then just killing him was a total waste of the character. The film should have ended with the Joker's arrest and Two-Face disappearing into the Gotham underground to build his own criminal empire for the third movie. And then there's the fact the Joker would have to be omnipresent and omnipotent for any of his schemes to work. Well the original plan had the finale in a courtroom where the Joker throws acid on Dent, thus creating Two-Face for a mob movie in the sequel. Ledger's tragic death caused Nolan to scrap the whole ending and just keep Two-Face as a contained villain for TDK alone. I still think it worked fine. I now can see that Nolan set some ideas and set-pieces that feel contrived (like the hunt for Lau in China as you said), but it works for me. I found the pacing to be fine; not too much action, not too much down time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 23:18:57 GMT
TDK. It was completely unnecessary to spend a 20 minutes going over the steps for kidnapping a man from his office in China when they could have saved SO much time just by having Batsy stop him at the airport. And doing Two-Face's entire story in one go and then just killing him was a total waste of the character. The film should have ended with the Joker's arrest and Two-Face disappearing into the Gotham underground to build his own criminal empire for the third movie. And then there's the fact the Joker would have to be omnipresent and omnipotent for any of his schemes to work. Well the original plan had the finale in a courtroom where the Joker throws acid on Dent, thus creating Two-Face for a mob movie in the sequel. Ledger's tragic death caused Nolan to scrap the whole ending and just keep Two-Face as a contained villain for TDK alone. I still think it worked fine. I now can see that Nolan set some ideas and set-pieces that feel contrived (like the hunt for Lau in China as you said), but it works for me. I found the pacing to be fine; not too much action, not too much down time. It would have been far easier to just let Dent disappear into the Gotham underworld with the setup they ended up with. The Joker freed the man from the hospital and turned him loose on Gotham during a crisis. Harvey was incognito to the police and Batman for the entire third act. Containing Dent to just the second movie is the dumbest thing they could have done considering how much the third film sucked. The pacing is NOT fine. The film actually improves if you lop off the ending where Dent threatens Gordon's family.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 13, 2017 0:14:09 GMT
Well the original plan had the finale in a courtroom where the Joker throws acid on Dent, thus creating Two-Face for a mob movie in the sequel. Ledger's tragic death caused Nolan to scrap the whole ending and just keep Two-Face as a contained villain for TDK alone. I still think it worked fine. I now can see that Nolan set some ideas and set-pieces that feel contrived (like the hunt for Lau in China as you said), but it works for me. I found the pacing to be fine; not too much action, not too much down time. It would have been far easier to just let Dent disappear into the Gotham underworld with the setup they ended up with. The Joker freed the man from the hospital and turned him loose on Gotham during a crisis. Harvey was incognito to the police and Batman for the entire third act. Containing Dent to just the second movie is the dumbest thing they could have done considering how much the third film sucked. The pacing is NOT fine. The film actually improves if you lop off the ending where Dent threatens Gordon's family. Alright. Agree to disagree.
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Post by darkpast on Jun 13, 2017 7:08:36 GMT
Do people really think WW is better than Batman (1989) ?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 14, 2017 0:58:25 GMT
Do people really think WW is better than Batman (1989) ? professional critics on RT do, worse, they deem Lego Batman, or other kiddy dreck like Guardians better. I think that's absurd. But you know: opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 3:53:12 GMT
Do people really think WW is better than Batman (1989) ? professional critics on RT do, worse, they deem Lego Batman, or other kiddy dreck like Guardians better. I think that's absurd. But you know: opinions. Mothers. Don't sniff paint during pregnancy. If you do, your child will turn out like Tristan.
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