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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 13:42:33 GMT
Anecdata doesn't trump reams of research, conducted over years, that demonstrate the abuses many of these schools were prone to. The key words here are many of these schools. Not ALL of them. There have been others who have also said that their experiences at the residential schools were good too. I highly recommend that you read Grave Error, by C.P. Champion & Tom Flanagan. Grave Error
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 13:42:55 GMT
This site is hosted by WordPress, a non-academic host, which can be accessed by anyone wishing to build a site. I don't find them a particularly credible platform for an academically-supported researcher or scholar to be broadcasting from. As to Nina Green, I can find virtually no biographical record of her, nor of any previous body of work, study, or research engaged in or published by her. Google searches turn up nothing more than several articles which cite Ms. Green as being 'an independent researcher who lives in British Columbia'. This is not particularly credibility-enhancing. For the present, I'll stick with studies conducted by those who have some demonstrable academic backing, who've produced results that have been researched over a lengthy period, over those who turn up out of the blue with sensationalistic claims of 'Liar!'. When a bit more evidence can be brought to the table that Ms. Green belongs more properly in the former class than the latter, I'll be more willing to give some credence to her evidence. Until then, not so much.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 13:46:21 GMT
This site is hosted by WordPress, a non-academic host, which can be accessed by anyone wishing to build a site. I don't find them a particularly credible platform for an academically-supported researcher or scholar to be broadcasting from. As to Nina Green, I can find virtually no biographical record of her, nor of any previous body of work, study, or research engaged in or published by her. Google searches turn up nothing more than several articles which cite Ms. Green as being 'an independent researcher who lives in British Columbia'. This is not particularly credibility-enhancing. For the present, I'll stick with studies conducted by those who have some demonstrable academic backing, who've produced results that have been researched over a lengthy period, over those who turn up out of the blue with sensationalistic claims of 'Liar!'. When a bit more evidence can be brought to the table that Ms. Green belongs more properly in the former class than the latter, I'll be more willing to give some credence to her evidence. Until then, not so much. a) There is still no evidence of murdered children, found in the unmarked graves on these residential school sites. b) There's plenty of links to Nina Green here: Nina Green
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 13:50:52 GMT
Anecdata doesn't trump reams of research, conducted over years, that demonstrate the abuses many of these schools were prone to. The key words here are many of these schools. Not ALL of them. There have been others who have also said that their experiences at the residential schools were good too. I highly recommend that you read Grave Error, by C.P. Champion & Tom Flanagan. The fact that seemingly all reviews of this book have appeared, apparently, in right-wing, conservative and Catholic-dominated outlets makes me seriously question just how objective in its fact-finding that particular tome might be.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 13:52:19 GMT
This site is hosted by WordPress, a non-academic host, which can be accessed by anyone wishing to build a site. I don't find them a particularly credible platform for an academically-supported researcher or scholar to be broadcasting from. As to Nina Green, I can find virtually no biographical record of her, nor of any previous body of work, study, or research engaged in or published by her. Google searches turn up nothing more than several articles which cite Ms. Green as being 'an independent researcher who lives in British Columbia'. This is not particularly credibility-enhancing. For the present, I'll stick with studies conducted by those who have some demonstrable academic backing, who've produced results that have been researched over a lengthy period, over those who turn up out of the blue with sensationalistic claims of 'Liar!'. When a bit more evidence can be brought to the table that Ms. Green belongs more properly in the former class than the latter, I'll be more willing to give some credence to her evidence. Until then, not so much. a) There is still no evidence of murdered children, found in the unmarked graves on these residential school sites. b) There's plenty of links to Nina Green here: Nina GreenThose are the same Google hits I've already read, which yielded up precisely the level of biographical and professional information regarding Ms. Green that I've already indicated.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 14:05:49 GMT
The key words here are many of these schools. Not ALL of them. There have been others who have also said that their experiences at the residential schools were good too. I highly recommend that you read Grave Error, by C.P. Champion & Tom Flanagan. The fact that seemingly all reviews of this book have appeared, apparently, in right-wing, conservative and Catholic-dominated outlets makes me seriously question just how objective in its fact-finding that particular tome might be. Barbara Kay, a columnist for the National Post, is Jewish, & she highly praised this book. Success Of Grave Error: Barbara Kay
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 15:19:52 GMT
The fact that seemingly all reviews of this book have appeared, apparently, in right-wing, conservative and Catholic-dominated outlets makes me seriously question just how objective in its fact-finding that particular tome might be. Barbara Kay, a columnist for the National Post, is Jewish, & she highly praised this book. Success Of Grave Error: Barbara KayThere are highly conservative, right-wing Jews, as I have no doubt you are aware. A listing of some of Ms. Kay's recent columns tend to show her political tilt pretty well: nationalpost.com/author/bkaynp/National Post itself is widely recognized as a newspaper with a pronounced right-wing conservative bias: www.allsides.com/news-source/national-post-media-biasThe fact of its having been founded by (the fairly infamous) Conrad Black should give some indication of its journalistic tilt, and might possibly cause some to raise eyebrows regarding its overall integrity as a news source. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Black
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 17:52:30 GMT
There are highly conservative, right-wing Jews, as I have no doubt you are aware. A listing of some of Ms. Kay's recent columns tend to show her political tilt pretty well: nationalpost.com/author/bkaynp/National Post itself is widely recognized as a newspaper with a pronounced right-wing conservative bias: www.allsides.com/news-source/national-post-media-biasThe fact of its having been founded by (the fairly infamous) Conrad Black should give some indication of its journalistic tilt, and might possibly cause some to raise eyebrows regarding its overall integrity as a news source. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Black Right wing; left wing; is all a state of mind. I tend to go by right and wrong. There are some things that are considered to be right wing, that I believe is righteous, & there are somethings that are considered left wing that I consider to be righteous. In regards to the Toronto papers (that's right; I live in the Greater Toronto Area; I currently reside in Mississauga, further west than Pearson Int.; originally from Thornhill), I definitely prefer the National Post & the Toronto Sun over the Toronto Star, any day. As for the Globe & Mail; very boring newspaper.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 18:20:13 GMT
There are highly conservative, right-wing Jews, as I have no doubt you are aware. A listing of some of Ms. Kay's recent columns tend to show her political tilt pretty well: nationalpost.com/author/bkaynp/National Post itself is widely recognized as a newspaper with a pronounced right-wing conservative bias: www.allsides.com/news-source/national-post-media-biasThe fact of its having been founded by (the fairly infamous) Conrad Black should give some indication of its journalistic tilt, and might possibly cause some to raise eyebrows regarding its overall integrity as a news source. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Black Right wing; left wing; is all a state of mind. I tend to go by right and wrong. There are some things that are considered to be right wing, that I believe is righteous, & there are somethings that are considered left wing that I consider to be righteous. In regards to the Toronto papers (that's right; I live in the Greater Toronto Area; I currently reside in Mississauga, further west than Pearson Int.; originally from Thornhill), I definitely prefer the National Post & the Toronto Sun over the Toronto Star, any day. As for the Globe & Mail; very boring newspaper. There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 18:36:35 GMT
The fact that seemingly all reviews of this book have appeared, apparently, in right-wing, conservative and Catholic-dominated outlets makes me seriously question just how objective in its fact-finding that particular tome might be. Barbara Kay, a columnist for the National Post, is Jewish, & she highly praised this book. Success Of Grave Error: Barbara KayLooks like we have a case of what we touched upon the other day with your Rebel video. The mainstream media who pushed the grave hoax has their hoax questioned by conservative media so conservative media is branded right wing so they must be biased or pushing their own fake narrative. Fact is that they pushed a lie about graves full of dead children found when they know there have been no bodies found. Hundreds of dead children when in fact all they had were ground anomalies. One heck of a leap to make. Two years and no dead bodies and the like of BBC and NY Times still have the stories up. A link was provided for Thompson Rivers University who said 215 children's bodies had been found. Sadly, at time of completing this report, this commitment was further underscored as we found ourselves with so many others mourning with our First House, Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, on whose unceded land our Kamloops campus is located. Their discovery of the remains of 215 children whose lives were lost at the Kamloops Indian Residential School cast a fresh light on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous peoples. It also cast a fresh light on why we need to continue with the important work of truth and reconciliation.www.tru.ca/__shared/assets/2020_to_202154558.pdf
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 21:01:03 GMT
Right wing; left wing; is all a state of mind. I tend to go by right and wrong. There are some things that are considered to be right wing, that I believe is righteous, & there are somethings that are considered left wing that I consider to be righteous. In regards to the Toronto papers (that's right; I live in the Greater Toronto Area; I currently reside in Mississauga, further west than Pearson Int.; originally from Thornhill), I definitely prefer the National Post & the Toronto Sun over the Toronto Star, any day. As for the Globe & Mail; very boring newspaper. There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week. That is nonsense. The human rights abuses done to other cultures have been acknowledged throughout. Eg: Slavery in the South, etc. Nobody is denying that abused occurred at these residential schools. What is being refuted is the accusations of genocide, etc.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 21:01:57 GMT
Right wing; left wing; is all a state of mind. I tend to go by right and wrong. There are some things that are considered to be right wing, that I believe is righteous, & there are somethings that are considered left wing that I consider to be righteous. In regards to the Toronto papers (that's right; I live in the Greater Toronto Area; I currently reside in Mississauga, further west than Pearson Int.; originally from Thornhill), I definitely prefer the National Post & the Toronto Sun over the Toronto Star, any day. As for the Globe & Mail; very boring newspaper. There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week. My view is that the viewpoint of mainstream media, academia, corporations, leftist politicians, outspoken celebs, various activists etc is too simply deny white populations have never contributed anything that was ultimately good for society. Perhaps inherently racist and evil. The flipside is that minorities through their diversity make everything great. Perhaps almost immune from being anything such as racist or evil. When they're not contributing all that is great to society and praised to the rooftops for it, they're also portrayed as the hapless victims of white supremacy. This attitude is driven home repeatedly and often in a shrill manner.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 21:02:33 GMT
Looks like we have a case of what we touched upon the other day with your Rebel video. The mainstream media who pushed the grave hoax has their hoax questioned by conservative media so conservative media is branded right wing so they must be biased or pushing their own fake narrative. Fact is that they pushed a lie about graves full of dead children found when they know there have been no bodies found. Hundreds of dead children when in fact all they had were ground anomalies. One heck of a leap to make. Two years and no dead bodies and the like of BBC and NY Times still have the stories up. A link was provided for Thompson Rivers University who said 215 children's bodies had been found. Sadly, at time of completing this report, this commitment was further underscored as we found ourselves with so many others mourning with our First House, Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, on whose unceded land our Kamloops campus is located. Their discovery of the remains of 215 children whose lives were lost at the Kamloops Indian Residential School cast a fresh light on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous peoples. It also cast a fresh light on why we need to continue with the important work of truth and reconciliation.www.tru.ca/__shared/assets/2020_to_202154558.pdfThat weblink goes back to the time when the Kamloops cemetery was discovered. To this DATE, no bodies of children were ever found in those graves.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 21:04:11 GMT
Looks like we have a case of what we touched upon the other day with your Rebel video. The mainstream media who pushed the grave hoax has their hoax questioned by conservative media so conservative media is branded right wing so they must be biased or pushing their own fake narrative. Fact is that they pushed a lie about graves full of dead children found when they know there have been no bodies found. Hundreds of dead children when in fact all they had were ground anomalies. One heck of a leap to make. Two years and no dead bodies and the like of BBC and NY Times still have the stories up. A link was provided for Thompson Rivers University who said 215 children's bodies had been found. Sadly, at time of completing this report, this commitment was further underscored as we found ourselves with so many others mourning with our First House, Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, on whose unceded land our Kamloops campus is located. Their discovery of the remains of 215 children whose lives were lost at the Kamloops Indian Residential School cast a fresh light on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous peoples. It also cast a fresh light on why we need to continue with the important work of truth and reconciliation.www.tru.ca/__shared/assets/2020_to_202154558.pdfThat weblink goes back to the time when the Kamloops cemetery was discovered. To this DATE, no bodies of children were ever found in those graves. Yep, two years, no bodies and they still have it out there that 215 bodies of dead children have been found.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 21:06:40 GMT
That weblink goes back to the time when the Kamloops cemetery was discovered. To this DATE, no bodies of children were ever found in those graves. Yep, two years, no bodies and they still have it out there that 215 bodies of dead children have been found. So they are wrong.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 21:15:56 GMT
Yep, two years, no bodies and they still have it out there that 215 bodies of dead children have been found. So they are wrong. I don't think they got it wrong or made a mistake. I think it was a deliberate lie. First Nations, Trudeau, Singh, media, activists deliberately lied and created a hoax to push on the public.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 21:29:52 GMT
I don't think they got it wrong or made a mistake. I think it was a deliberate lie. First Nations, Trudeau, Singh, media, activists deliberately lied and created a hoax to push on the public. Yep. Anti-christian bigotry at its finest, alright. My own parish was one of the churches that was vandalized, plus, our priest had to be removed, because of bomb threats to our Church.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 21:36:07 GMT
I don't think they got it wrong or made a mistake. I think it was a deliberate lie. First Nations, Trudeau, Singh, media, activists deliberately lied and created a hoax to push on the public. Yep. Anti-christian bigotry at its finest, alright. My own parish was one of the churches that was vandalized, plus, our priest had to be removed, because of bomb threats to our Church. You know what is a bigger story than finding the bodies of 215 murdered indigenous children? Finding out that it was a deliberate lie. Or it should be.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 21:48:08 GMT
Yep. Anti-christian bigotry at its finest, alright. My own parish was one of the churches that was vandalized, plus, our priest had to be removed, because of bomb threats to our Church. You know what is a bigger story than finding the bodies of 215 murdered indigenous children? Finding out that it was a deliberate lie. Or it should be. Yes. If you haven't done so already, you should order Grave Error, by CP Champion & Tom Flanagan, from Amazon.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 23:37:34 GMT
There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week. That is nonsense. The human rights abuses done to other cultures have been acknowledged throughout. Eg: Slavery in the South, etc. Nobody is denying that abused occurred at these residential schools. What is being refuted is the accusations of genocide, etc. What exactly do you mean by acknowledgement, though? Everyone concurs slavery occurred; but there are many mainstream types who still back the notion that ultimately Blacks benefitted from it. And I live in the US South, so don't bother with denial of this. I hear it quite often. And what do you mean by genocide? Forcibly seperating children from their parents and culture and having another forced (and it was forced, let's be honest about this), is maiming. And it was targeted at particular groups who weren't settling into the majority (White) culture as peacefully or happily as those Whites could wish. So they set out to exterminate a cultural identity, since they couldn't be rid of them in any other manner. As the history of the American West suggests, that's not such a very far remove from making the decision that exterminating them physically might be the only viable 'solution' to the problem.
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