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Post by transfuged on Jan 31, 2024 23:46:04 GMT
Right wing; left wing; is all a state of mind. I tend to go by right and wrong. There are some things that are considered to be right wing, that I believe is righteous, & there are somethings that are considered left wing that I consider to be righteous. In regards to the Toronto papers (that's right; I live in the Greater Toronto Area; I currently reside in Mississauga, further west than Pearson Int.; originally from Thornhill), I definitely prefer the National Post & the Toronto Sun over the Toronto Star, any day. As for the Globe & Mail; very boring newspaper. There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week. There is only people. Please do not refer to races.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 23:47:12 GMT
Looks like we have a case of what we touched upon the other day with your Rebel video. The mainstream media who pushed the grave hoax has their hoax questioned by conservative media so conservative media is branded right wing so they must be biased or pushing their own fake narrative. Fact is that they pushed a lie about graves full of dead children found when they know there have been no bodies found. Hundreds of dead children when in fact all they had were ground anomalies. One heck of a leap to make. Two years and no dead bodies and the like of BBC and NY Times still have the stories up. A link was provided for Thompson Rivers University who said 215 children's bodies had been found. Sadly, at time of completing this report, this commitment was further underscored as we found ourselves with so many others mourning with our First House, Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, on whose unceded land our Kamloops campus is located. Their discovery of the remains of 215 children whose lives were lost at the Kamloops Indian Residential School cast a fresh light on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous peoples. It also cast a fresh light on why we need to continue with the important work of truth and reconciliation.www.tru.ca/__shared/assets/2020_to_202154558.pdfOf course, the right-wing never makes up its own narratives. Even if this particular incident were to turn out false, it doesn't erase the fact that massive abuse took place in these schools. And of course, rightwing conservatives will continue in their denials that any of it took place. Certainly don't expect any of them to take the one step further thought that the whole motivation behind those schools might have been destructive, abusive, and just plain wrong in the first place. scholar.google.com/scholar?q=abuse+in+residential+schools&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 23:48:28 GMT
There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week. There is only people. Please do not refer to races. Why? Does the fact that other races than the White one exist bother you? If there's only 'one people', then some of those 'one' are sure mighty guilty of treating others of those 'one' pretty bloody badly.
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 23:52:47 GMT
There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week. My view is that the viewpoint of mainstream media, academia, corporations, leftist politicians, outspoken celebs, various activists etc is too simply deny white populations have never contributed anything that was ultimately good for society. Perhaps inherently racist and evil. The flipside is that minorities through their diversity make everything great. Perhaps almost immune from being anything such as racist or evil. When they're not contributing all that is great to society and praised to the rooftops for it, they're also portrayed as the hapless victims of white supremacy. This attitude is driven home repeatedly and often in a shrill manner. To paraphrase Jane Austen, Whites have held the pen down the centuries. It's no surprise that their narrative dominates. It's also no surprise that at least some of them are sweating bullets these days over the fact that other hands are now holding, and using, their own pens; and other facets and versions of that dominant narrative are emerging. It's generally Whites who are the 'shrillest' in defending their own position on this.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2024 23:55:31 GMT
That is nonsense. The human rights abuses done to other cultures have been acknowledged throughout. Eg: Slavery in the South, etc. Nobody is denying that abused occurred at these residential schools. What is being refuted is the accusations of genocide, etc. What exactly do you mean by acknowledgement, though? Everyone concurs slavery occurred; but there are many mainstream types who still back the notion that ultimately Blacks benefitted from it. And I live in the US South, so don't bother with denial of this. I hear it quite often. And what do you mean by genocide? Forcibly seperating children from their parents and culture and having another forced (and it was forced, let's be honest about this), is maiming. And it was targeted at particular groups who weren't settling into the majority (White) culture as peacefully or happily as those Whites could wish. So they set out to exterminate a cultural identity, since they couldn't be rid of them in any other manner. As the history of the American West suggests, that's not such a very far remove from making the decision that exterminating them physically might be the only viable 'solution' to the problem. Did I say that Blacks benefitted from it???!!! I know that they did not. The US South has an appalling record for human rights abuses, when it comes to Black History. Children were not forced to go to residential schools. Many did not. It was the parents' desire to send their children to residential schools. Not All Indigenous Children Attended Residential SchoolsNo Indigenous Child Was 'Forced' To Go To School
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Post by amyghost on Jan 31, 2024 23:57:34 GMT
I don't think they got it wrong or made a mistake. I think it was a deliberate lie. First Nations, Trudeau, Singh, media, activists deliberately lied and created a hoax to push on the public. Yep. Anti-christian bigotry at its finest, alright. My own parish was one of the churches that was vandalized, plus, our priest had to be removed, because of bomb threats to our Church. Marvelous how Christians can always find ways to use the fact of exploitation and maltreatment of other groups to further wallow in the masochistic pleasures of their own persecution fantasies.
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Post by transfuged on Jan 31, 2024 23:58:05 GMT
There is only people. Please do not refer to races. Why? Does the fact that other races than the White one exist bother you? If there's only 'one people', then some of those 'one' are sure mighty guilty of treating others of those 'one' pretty bloody badly. Please, just don’t add water to that mill. Do not refer to races. Or prove the existence of ’races’. Without the least delay. If you can’t, apologise. Now.
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Post by clusium on Feb 1, 2024 0:02:10 GMT
Yep. Anti-christian bigotry at its finest, alright. My own parish was one of the churches that was vandalized, plus, our priest had to be removed, because of bomb threats to our Church. Marvelous how Christians can always find ways to use the fact of exploitation and maltreatment of other groups to further wallow in the masochistic pleasures of their own persecution fantasies. So glad that you are an atheist, amyghost, & do not have to ever experience having a place of worship be threatened. Unless & until you experience that (& obviously never will, unless you should ever change from being an atheist), you cannot comment on what we (my parish) went through, back then.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 1, 2024 0:06:29 GMT
What exactly do you mean by acknowledgement, though? Everyone concurs slavery occurred; but there are many mainstream types who still back the notion that ultimately Blacks benefitted from it. And I live in the US South, so don't bother with denial of this. I hear it quite often. And what do you mean by genocide? Forcibly seperating children from their parents and culture and having another forced (and it was forced, let's be honest about this), is maiming. And it was targeted at particular groups who weren't settling into the majority (White) culture as peacefully or happily as those Whites could wish. So they set out to exterminate a cultural identity, since they couldn't be rid of them in any other manner. As the history of the American West suggests, that's not such a very far remove from making the decision that exterminating them physically might be the only viable 'solution' to the problem. Did I say that Blacks benefitted from it???!!! I know that they did not. The US South has an appalling record for human rights abuses, when it comes to Black History. Children were not forced to go to residential schools. Many did not. It was the parents' desire to send their children to residential schools. Not All Indigenous Children Attended Residential SchoolsI said MANY do. And it's not a game of oneup. The American South does have an appalling record in that area. Non-US areas, Canada and Australia (both White-majority countries) both also have dismal records as to how they've treated their indigenes. Canada has begun to catch up on this; Australia is still shameful in this regard. And people do not have to be forced at gunpoint to go along with a questionable idea. They can be coerced, duped, and otherwise oh-so-gently 'persuaded' to believe something is for the benefit of their children, when those in power approach them with that notion.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 1, 2024 0:07:26 GMT
Why? Does the fact that other races than the White one exist bother you? If there's only 'one people', then some of those 'one' are sure mighty guilty of treating others of those 'one' pretty bloody badly. Please, just don’t add water to that mill. Do not refer to races. Or prove the existence of ’races’. Without the least delay. If you can’t, apologise. Now. You're not owed an apology. If you don't like that, talk to the Admin. And stop trying to derail the thread.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 1, 2024 0:12:59 GMT
Marvelous how Christians can always find ways to use the fact of exploitation and maltreatment of other groups to further wallow in the masochistic pleasures of their own persecution fantasies. So glad that you are an atheist, amyghost , & do not have to ever experience having a place of worship be threatened. Unless & until you experience that (& obviously never will, unless you should ever change from being an atheist), you cannot comment on what we (my parish) went through, back then. My matrilineal family background is Jewish, so I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to lecture me on the idea of threat. The fact that I do not practice the religion would have been of no difference to the Nazis at the time of the Holocaust. I'd have been oven-fodder just the same as the observant Jews. And further back, historically, I'd have been under threat of pogrom and persecution from some of your dear Christians, Catholic division most definitely included. Show me what imminent level of danger of death you're in, as a current-era Christian, that's remotely comparable to that.
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Post by transfuged on Feb 1, 2024 0:20:24 GMT
Clusium About the accusation of genocide, of course there is no way to accuse without proof. Maybe it is not anti anything. Press people have rents to pay. Some papers are not even worth the bottom of a bird’s cage.
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Post by clusium on Feb 1, 2024 0:56:05 GMT
So glad that you are an atheist, amyghost , & do not have to ever experience having a place of worship be threatened. Unless & until you experience that (& obviously never will, unless you should ever change from being an atheist), you cannot comment on what we (my parish) went through, back then. My matrilineal family background is Jewish, so I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to lecture me on the idea of threat. The fact that I do not practice the religion would have been of no difference to the Nazis at the time of the Holocaust. I'd have been oven-fodder just the same as the observant Jews. And further back, historically, I'd have been under threat of pogrom and persecution from some of your dear Christians, Catholic division most definitely included. Show me what imminent level of danger of death you're in, as a current-era Christian, that's remotely comparable to that. I know that you are Jewish descent. No, I do not think I'm being presumptuous in my response. I think your EARLIER post in response to mine (which wasn't even addressed to you here, but, to another poster) as to what had happened to my Church a few years ago is. We had to have the Bishop come & preside over Holy Mass for the next couple of months, until our parish priest could be replaced. Our Church was vandalized with threatening graffiti; callers threatening to bomb our Church; etc. Oh, & in regards to imminent levels of danger or death that current-era Christians are in: Persecution Of Christians In Middle East, Close To Genocide: Report Christian Persecution At 'Near Genocide Levels'Nigeria: Genocides and ConflictsEven the Armenian Genocide is starting up again!!!! 'Genocide Is Happening Before Our Eyes'
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Post by transfuged on Feb 1, 2024 1:08:13 GMT
So glad that you are an atheist, amyghost , & do not have to ever experience having a place of worship be threatened. Unless & until you experience that (& obviously never will, unless you should ever change from being an atheist), you cannot comment on what we (my parish) went through, back then. My matrilineal family background is Jewish, so I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to lecture me on the idea of threat. The fact that I do not practice the religion would have been of no difference to the Nazis at the time of the Holocaust. I'd have been oven-fodder just the same as the observant Jews. And further back, historically, I'd have been under threat of pogrom and persecution from some of your dear Christians, Catholic division most definitely included. Show me what imminent level of danger of death you're in, as a current-era Christian, that's remotely comparable to that. I have been harrassed for some years. About three years ago someone attacked my flat’s door. And, well... There is a bruise on my face, but it is turning yellow today. Dunno where that comes from. You happy ?
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Post by amyghost on Feb 1, 2024 1:30:06 GMT
My matrilineal family background is Jewish, so I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to lecture me on the idea of threat. The fact that I do not practice the religion would have been of no difference to the Nazis at the time of the Holocaust. I'd have been oven-fodder just the same as the observant Jews. And further back, historically, I'd have been under threat of pogrom and persecution from some of your dear Christians, Catholic division most definitely included. Show me what imminent level of danger of death you're in, as a current-era Christian, that's remotely comparable to that. I know that you are Jewish descent. No, I do not think I'm being presumptuous in my response. I think your EARLIER post in response to mine (which wasn't even addressed to you here, but, to another poster) as to what had happened to my Church a few years ago is. We had to have the Bishop come & preside over Holy Mass for the next couple of months, until our parish priest could be replaced. Our Church was vandalized with threatening graffiti; callers threatening to bomb our Church; etc. Oh, & in regards to imminent levels of danger or death that current-era Christians are in: Persecution Of Christians In Middle East, Close To Genocide: Report Christian Persecution At 'Near Genocide Levels'Nigeria: Genocides and ConflictsEven the Armenian Genocide is starting up again!!!! 'Genocide Is Happening Before Our Eyes'I have my doubts that present-era Christians are facing any great danger of persecution except in areas where they're apt to have made themselves a less-than-welcome minority; but for all that, I don't hold with destruction of churches, or any property in general, in the name of targeting any particular group. Hits just a little too close to home, dont'cha know .
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Post by amyghost on Feb 1, 2024 1:32:36 GMT
My matrilineal family background is Jewish, so I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to lecture me on the idea of threat. The fact that I do not practice the religion would have been of no difference to the Nazis at the time of the Holocaust. I'd have been oven-fodder just the same as the observant Jews. And further back, historically, I'd have been under threat of pogrom and persecution from some of your dear Christians, Catholic division most definitely included. Show me what imminent level of danger of death you're in, as a current-era Christian, that's remotely comparable to that. I have been harrassed for some years. About three years ago someone attacked my flat’s door. And, well... There is a bruise on my face, but it is turning yellow today. Dunno where that comes from. You happy ? Well, my response was directed to Clusium. If you've suffered abuse, I'm sorry for it. Not happy. But I'd hope you're seeking some sort of protection from whoever is subjecting you to it.
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Post by clusium on Feb 1, 2024 1:37:55 GMT
I have my doubts that present-era Christians are facing any great danger of persecution except in areas where they're apt to have made themselves a less-than-welcome minority; but for all that, I don't hold with destruction of churches, or any property in general, in the name of targeting any particular group. Hits just a little too close to home, dont'cha know . Absolutely. Especially right now with all that is happening in Gaza. Really getting crazy for Jewish people here in North America.
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Post by transfuged on Feb 1, 2024 1:44:00 GMT
I have been harrassed for some years. About three years ago someone attacked my flat’s door. And, well... There is a bruise on my face, but it is turning yellow today. Dunno where that comes from. You happy ? Well, my response was directed to Clusium. If you've suffered abuse, I'm sorry for it. Not happy. But I'd hope you're seeking some sort of protection from whoever is subjecting you to it. There is a time when one has to ”cope with the inevitable”. When the door was under attack, I put some trouser on my bottom, handed my umbrella and opened the door after unlocking it. I wasn’t about to wait 20 mn for the police as someone was actually making a hole in the door. Sometime people are in danger. They have to live with it. And it doe not mean they are dead yet.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 2:50:04 GMT
Looks like we have a case of what we touched upon the other day with your Rebel video. The mainstream media who pushed the grave hoax has their hoax questioned by conservative media so conservative media is branded right wing so they must be biased or pushing their own fake narrative. Fact is that they pushed a lie about graves full of dead children found when they know there have been no bodies found. Hundreds of dead children when in fact all they had were ground anomalies. One heck of a leap to make. Two years and no dead bodies and the like of BBC and NY Times still have the stories up. A link was provided for Thompson Rivers University who said 215 children's bodies had been found. Sadly, at time of completing this report, this commitment was further underscored as we found ourselves with so many others mourning with our First House, Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, on whose unceded land our Kamloops campus is located. Their discovery of the remains of 215 children whose lives were lost at the Kamloops Indian Residential School cast a fresh light on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous peoples. It also cast a fresh light on why we need to continue with the important work of truth and reconciliation.www.tru.ca/__shared/assets/2020_to_202154558.pdfOf course, the right-wing never makes up its own narratives. Even if this particular incident were to turn out false, it doesn't erase the fact that massive abuse took place in these schools. And of course, rightwing conservatives will continue in their denials that any of it took place. Certainly don't expect any of them to take the one step further thought that the whole motivation behind those schools might have been destructive, abusive, and just plain wrong in the first place. scholar.google.com/scholar?q=abuse+in+residential+schools&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholartI didn't say there was no abuse. I've said that just like orphanages, foster homes, boarding schools etc there will be some very bad, some very good but most in between. As I linked to some of the schools were certainly much better than life on the reservations. The whole narrative that all the schools were evil and everyone that worked there were evil, and all intentions were evil is also wrong. It is also extremely wrong that in the present day a global media narrative pushed by politicians such as the PM of Canada to lie about 215 children's bodies found. That is evil. Why did they do that and continue to do so?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 2:50:14 GMT
My view is that the viewpoint of mainstream media, academia, corporations, leftist politicians, outspoken celebs, various activists etc is too simply deny white populations have never contributed anything that was ultimately good for society. Perhaps inherently racist and evil. The flipside is that minorities through their diversity make everything great. Perhaps almost immune from being anything such as racist or evil. When they're not contributing all that is great to society and praised to the rooftops for it, they're also portrayed as the hapless victims of white supremacy. This attitude is driven home repeatedly and often in a shrill manner. To paraphrase Jane Austen, Whites have held the pen down the centuries. It's no surprise that their narrative dominates. It's also no surprise that at least some of them are sweating bullets these days over the fact that other hands are now holding, and using, their own pens; and other facets and versions of that dominant narrative are emerging. It's generally Whites who are the 'shrillest' in defending their own position on this. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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