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Post by misstique on Mar 15, 2017 13:22:09 GMT
Despite being a lifelong Stallone fan, there is no question that the greatest action movie star is Arnold. Almost half of Stallone's career is just the Rocky and Rambo movies. And the Rocky movies aren't really "action" movies per se, neither is "Over the Top". They are "sports drama films". Other than Rocky and Rambo, Sly's other action movies are a few hits and mostly misses.
Arnold on the other hand has done a lot more true action flicks and his action movies' total gross is more than that of Sly's. He didn't rely on just one or two franchises. He did a variety of action movies.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Mar 15, 2017 13:24:49 GMT
Batman & Robin is not even the worst Batman movie. 6/10 pure cheese and very entertaining. Works perfecty along with Batman The Movie (1966).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:33:57 GMT
outside of "The Terminator" series What does he has that touches Rocky or Rambo? Predator, Total Recall, Conan The Barbarian, True Lies, The Last Action Hero and of course Commando, to name a few. Predator. Tell me 10 kids that can tell you anything about that film? Same with Total Recall and Conan. There is a reason they have all been 'remade' or 'rebooted'. It's because they feel Arnold can be replaced by any other action star, that he isn't the sole reason those franchises succeed. NOBODY is Rocky or Rambo other than Sly. Those are iconic. I can gather hundreds, thousands of old people, young people, kids, adults, etc... and they can tell you who Rocky and Rambo are. There is a tier on the pantheon of Action Heroes. Terminator, Rocky, and Rambo are on another level. Predator, Total Recall, Conan, they are on a secondary level with John McClane.
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Post by sostie on Mar 15, 2017 13:45:48 GMT
Jackie Chan for me though the others have probably made films I prefer. He is probably the only one with real worldwide appeal, and unlike the others, if they are in a crap film they rarely elevate it above crap...a single Chan fight scene in a bad or mediocre film can usually make it more watchable.
Personally I'd put Tom Cruise and Jason Statham in a list instead of Norris, Seagal, Van Damme and Lundgren
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Post by sostie on Mar 15, 2017 13:49:09 GMT
Sly Stallone and it's not even close. Now Mel Gibson is the 'best actor' on that list, but you said 'Greatest Action Movie Star". Rocky Rocky II Rocky III Rocky IV Rocky V Rocky Balboa First Blood Rambo: First Blood Part II Rambo III Rambo Over the Top Cobra Tango and Cash Copland Cliffhanger Demolition Man Judge Dredd Assassins The Expendables The Expendables II The Expendables III Name a better Action Filmography than that? Few on the poll list would have a bigger filmography, but better? I'd say 3 about quarters of that list are mediocre at best
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:55:13 GMT
Sly Stallone and it's not even close. Now Mel Gibson is the 'best actor' on that list, but you said 'Greatest Action Movie Star". Rocky Rocky II Rocky III Rocky IV Rocky V Rocky Balboa First Blood Rambo: First Blood Part II Rambo III Rambo Over the Top Cobra Tango and Cash Copland Cliffhanger Demolition Man Judge Dredd Assassins The Expendables The Expendables II The Expendables III Name a better Action Filmography than that? Few on the poll list would have a bigger filmography, but better? I'd say 3 about quarters of that list are mediocre at best Copland, Rocky, First Blood were all Oscar worthy performances from Sly. Name '1' role Arnie has done that merit's an Oscar in his action films? Plus, I'd say Sly's mediocre action films are better than Jean Claude, Chuck Norris, and a few others' BEST action films.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Mar 15, 2017 14:13:35 GMT
Predator. Tell me 10 kids that can tell you anything about that film? Same with Total Recall and Conan. There is a reason they have all been 'remade' or 'rebooted'. It's because they feel Arnold can be replaced by any other action star, that he isn't the sole reason those franchises succeed. NOBODY is Rocky or Rambo other than Sly. Those are iconic. I can gather hundreds, thousands of old people, young people, kids, adults, etc... and they can tell you who Rocky and Rambo are. The reason for making all these remakes of classic 80s-90s action, are money. That is why there will always be a bunch of lazy ass directors wanting in on the job, and as a result, we end up with all these generic, forgettable CGI dominated turds, not because people think Arnold is a bad actor. Predator is and will never be a "family" or a kids movie. It is a fullblown action film made for adults, and filled up with brutal and nasty scenes that still today would scare the shit out of most kids. Not Predator, but it is a fine proof that people in all ages, all over the world, still love a good Arnold film. The larger than life charisma along with the hilarious and highly memorable one-liners (must be thousands of them), plus he never take himself far too seriously (looking at you Sly), are all part of why his impact or legacy if you will, as being one of the greatest action heroes ever, are still alive and well today. And I dont need to gather around a bunch of old and young people, to tell you that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 14:17:39 GMT
Predator. Tell me 10 kids that can tell you anything about that film? Same with Total Recall and Conan. There is a reason they have all been 'remade' or 'rebooted'. It's because they feel Arnold can be replaced by any other action star, that he isn't the sole reason those franchises succeed. NOBODY is Rocky or Rambo other than Sly. Those are iconic. I can gather hundreds, thousands of old people, young people, kids, adults, etc... and they can tell you who Rocky and Rambo are. The reason for making all these remakes of classic 80s-90s action, are money. That is why there will always be a bunch of lazy ass directors wanting in on the job, and as a result, we end up with all these generic, forgettable CGI dominated turds, not because people think Arnold is a bad actor. Predator is and will never be a "family" or a kids movie. It is a fullblown action film made for adults, and filled up with brutal and nasty scenes that still today would scare the shit out of most kids. Not Predator, but it is a fine proof that people in all ages, all over the world, still love a good Arnold film. The larger than life charisma along with the hilarious and highly memorable one-liners (must be thousands of them), plus he never take himself far too seriously (looking at you Sly), are all part of why his impact or legacy if you will, as being one of the greatest action heroes ever, are still alive and well today, and I dont need to gather around a bunch of old and young people, to tell you that. Your logic has no merit. "The Terminator" isn't a family film either, the first two are rated "R" but "T2: Judgement Day" every kid in the early 1990s saw that movie. I was in Elementary school when T2 came out and all my friends in school were talking about it. I went to theaters to see it with my dad and I was probably 7 years old. Same with Rambo. These films are bloody, violent, foul language, but if they are iconic enough, people see past those things.
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Post by sostie on Mar 15, 2017 14:37:41 GMT
Few on the poll list would have a bigger filmography, but better? I'd say 3 about quarters of that list are mediocre at best Copland, Rocky, First Blood were all Oscar worthy performances from Sly. Name '1' role Arnie has done that merit's an Oscar in his action films? Plus, I'd say Sly's mediocre action films are better than Jean Claude, Chuck Norris, and a few others' BEST action films. Those three you mention are among the ones i would say are great...but whether Oscar worthy or not, so what? All I care for is a decent performance in the context of an action film...that's good enough for me. Arnie is perfect as The Terminator...but neither he nor anyone else would ever give an award worthy performance in that role...yet in the context of the film he fits it as well as Stallone fits the Rocky role And yes, I agree his mediocre films are better than Van Damme's and Norris's best films. But i did say 3/4 of those Stallone films were mediocre "at best"...the majority I find to be utter cack (though Stallone cack is mostly better than Norris best)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 14:39:15 GMT
Copland, Rocky, First Blood were all Oscar worthy performances from Sly. Name '1' role Arnie has done that merit's an Oscar in his action films? Plus, I'd say Sly's mediocre action films are better than Jean Claude, Chuck Norris, and a few others' BEST action films. Those three you mention are among the ones i would say are great...but whether Oscar worthy or not, so what? All I care for is a decent performance in the context of an action film...that's good enough for me. Arnie is perfect as The Terminator...but neither he nor anyone else would ever give an award worthy performance in that role...yet in the context of the film he fits it as well as Stallone fits the Rocky role And yes, I agree his mediocre films are better than Van Damme's and Norris's best films. But i did say 3/4 of those Stallone films were mediocre "at best"...the majority I find to be utter cack (though Stallone cack is mostly better than Norris best) No love for "Tango and Cash" and "Cobra" or "Over the Top"? I wore out my Over the Top VHS when I was a kid. I think that movie worked because it's the same as Robin to Batman. You get to live vicariously through the boy as sort of Stallone's sidekick.
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Post by sostie on Mar 15, 2017 14:57:51 GMT
Those three you mention are among the ones i would say are great...but whether Oscar worthy or not, so what? All I care for is a decent performance in the context of an action film...that's good enough for me. Arnie is perfect as The Terminator...but neither he nor anyone else would ever give an award worthy performance in that role...yet in the context of the film he fits it as well as Stallone fits the Rocky role And yes, I agree his mediocre films are better than Van Damme's and Norris's best films. But i did say 3/4 of those Stallone films were mediocre "at best"...the majority I find to be utter cack (though Stallone cack is mostly better than Norris best) No love for "Tango and Cash" and "Cobra" or "Over the Top"? I wore out my Over the Top VHS when I was a kid. I think that movie worked because it's the same as Robin to Batman. You get to live vicariously through the boy as sort of Stallone's sidekick. Tango & Cash is OK...though Russell is the star of that for me. As for Cobra and Over The Top...saw them when they came out and thought they were awful. Not seen them recently where they might have some tacky, so bad its good value.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Mar 15, 2017 15:58:18 GMT
Your logic has no merit. "The Terminator" isn't a family film either, the first two are rated "R" but "T2: Judgement Day" every kid in the early 1990s saw that movie. I was in Elementary school when T2 came out and all my friends in school were talking about it. I went to theaters to see it with my dad and I was probably 7 years old. Same with Rambo. These films are bloody, violent, foul language, but if they are iconic enough, people see past those things. I was too young to watch Terminator 2 on the big screen as a kid, but thanks to some nice older kids in the neighborhood and a VHS player, every kid around 92-93 ended up wanting their very own Terminator. And some even wanted to be the Terminator, so badly they did all kind of stupid stunts, like trying to punch through a car window (which I do not recommend). Back to the topic: The greater action star = Arnold The greater actor = Sly At the end of the day, they are both living action icons and we are lucky to still have them with us, as I think it will be a very long time till there comes along two similar, larger-than-life-persona outsiders, who ends up dominating the action genre for several decades.
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Post by Tunaman09 on Mar 15, 2017 16:56:24 GMT
Arnold shades it for me but my 2 favourites by a wide margin,
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Post by stefancrosscoe on Mar 15, 2017 17:06:19 GMT
These guys should have let the rivalry aside and done a movie together during the late 80s/early 90s. Would or could have been epic. But I guess Sly's "cameo" in The Last Action Hero was the closest thing back then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 17:58:54 GMT
Arnie
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