Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 22:47:07 GMT
I’d say in my lifetime it was. If you’re a Yankee fan (which I am), I don’t see how you’d disagree.
|
|
|
|
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 11, 2023 23:47:57 GMT
I’d say in my lifetime it was. If you’re a Yankee fan (which I am), I don’t see how you’d disagree. Depends on your lifetime. I think the Stump Merrill Yanks of the early 90's were worse. An aging Don Mattingly and a bunch of choads.
|
|
|
|
Post by Rufus-T on Dec 12, 2023 0:00:21 GMT
I’d say in my lifetime it was. If you’re a Yankee fan (which I am), I don’t see how you’d disagree. Depends on your lifetime. I think the Stump Merrill Yanks of the early 90's were worse. An aging Don Mattingly and a bunch of choads.
I did not go through the Horace Clarke years. I don't know if it was as bad as the Stump Merrill years. That 1990 Yankees was like the Bad News Bear. |
|
|
|
Post by Rufus-T on Dec 12, 2023 0:01:31 GMT
For this century, yes. Still, they had a winning record.
|
|
|
|
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 12, 2023 0:26:47 GMT
Depends on your lifetime. I think the Stump Merrill Yanks of the early 90's were worse. An aging Don Mattingly and a bunch of choads.
I did not go through the Horace Clarke years. I don't know if it was as bad as the Stump Merrill years. That 1990 Yankees was like the Bad News Bear. The Horace Clarke Yanks had a bad rap because they had won nearly everything from 1921-1964. The from 1965-1974, nothing. Those teams had excellent pitching. Mel Stottlemyre, Fritz Petersen, Stan Bahnsen, Steve Hamilton. But the offense reeked. The old guard, Mantle, Maris, Howard, Boyer got old quick. The Yanks came up with a couple good replacements, Bobby Murcer, Roy White, Thurman Munson. They just didn't have the bats to compete with the A's, Red Sox, Orioles ad Twins. The AL caught up when the Yankees dipped.
The Stump Yankees were just so blah. Kevin Maas, Bye Bye Balboni, Bam Bam Meulens. Yawn
|
|
|
|
Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 12, 2023 19:34:06 GMT
I’d say in my lifetime it was. If you’re a Yankee fan (which I am), I don’t see how you’d disagree. Depends on your lifetime. I think the Stump Merrill Yanks of the early 90's were worse. An aging Don Mattingly and a bunch of choads.
The Pat Kelly, Alvaro Espinoza years. That's what came to my mind. Those teams were pretty brutal. Remember when Andy Hawkins threw a no-hitter for the Yanks but lost 4-0? That was around that time. Losing 1-0 is one thing, but 4-0? You almost have to try to accomplish that. |
|
|
|
Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 12, 2023 19:42:44 GMT
2004 had to be pretty rough.
|
|
|
|
Post by Rufus-T on Dec 12, 2023 20:40:11 GMT
2004 had to be pretty rough. Devastating postseason, but quite good regular season. Also, the ALCS in the previous year and all the championships right before that made it more bearable. |
|
|
|
Post by Rufus-T on Dec 12, 2023 20:53:49 GMT
I did not go through the Horace Clarke years. I don't know if it was as bad as the Stump Merrill years. That 1990 Yankees was like the Bad News Bear. The Horace Clarke Yanks had a bad rap because they had won nearly everything from 1921-1964. The from 1965-1974, nothing. Those teams had excellent pitching. Mel Stottlemyre, Fritz Petersen, Stan Bahnsen, Steve Hamilton. But the offense reeked. The old guard, Mantle, Maris, Howard, Boyer got old quick. The Yanks came up with a couple good replacements, Bobby Murcer, Roy White, Thurman Munson. They just didn't have the bats to compete with the A's, Red Sox, Orioles ad Twins. The AL caught up when the Yankees dipped.
The Stump Yankees were just so blah. Kevin Maas, Bye Bye Balboni, Bam Bam Meulens. Yawn
Bye Bye Balboni, wow. Frank Messer always talked about him when he was still in the minor. Like many of the star young players in the 80s, Yankees couldn't wait to trade him away to the Royals and got the championship there. He came back later in the career to the Yankees pit.
That Horace Clarke year had 3 consecutive losing season 1965-1967. The late 80s/early 90s had 4 straight losing years, 1980-1992. Like you said, unlike the 60s, other than Mattingly, there were no other exciting players at the time. Bernie came up, but we didn't know what he became yet.
Looking back at the records of Yankees seasons, they had some horrendous years while they were the Highlanders in the 1900s and as Yankees in the 1910s before Ruth.
|
|
|
|
Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 12, 2023 21:31:29 GMT
The Horace Clarke Yanks had a bad rap because they had won nearly everything from 1921-1964. The from 1965-1974, nothing. Those teams had excellent pitching. Mel Stottlemyre, Fritz Petersen, Stan Bahnsen, Steve Hamilton. But the offense reeked. The old guard, Mantle, Maris, Howard, Boyer got old quick. The Yanks came up with a couple good replacements, Bobby Murcer, Roy White, Thurman Munson. They just didn't have the bats to compete with the A's, Red Sox, Orioles ad Twins. The AL caught up when the Yankees dipped.
The Stump Yankees were just so blah. Kevin Maas, Bye Bye Balboni, Bam Bam Meulens. Yawn
Bye Bye Balboni, wow. Frank Messer always talked about him when he was still in the minor. Like many of the star young players in the 80s, Yankees couldn't wait to trade him away to the Royals and got the championship there. He came back later in the career to the Yankees pit.
That Horace Clarke year had 3 consecutive losing season 1965-1967. The late 80s/early 90s had 4 straight losing years, 1980-1992. Like you said, unlike the 60s, other than Mattingly, there were no other exciting players at the time. Bernie came up, but we didn't know what he became yet.
Looking back at the records of Yankees seasons, they had some horrendous years while they were the Highlanders in the 1900s and as Yankees in the 1910s before Ruth.
They were a good team throughout the 80's, just not good enough for the playoffs. Talent galore, Donne, Rickey, Dave Winfield, Ron Guidry, Dave Righetti. Then the bottom fell out. Winfield and Guidry left, Henderson got hurt and Mattingly got pitched around. And they made three atrocious trades that really hurt
1986 - Yanks dealt Doug Drabek and spare parts to Pittsburgh for the ancient Rick Rhoden. Rhoden won 28 games in NY, Drabek won 92 in Pittsburgh 1988 - Yanks dealt Jay Buhner to Seattle for Ken Phelps, Ow!
1989 - Yanks dealt Al Leiter to Toronto for a year and a half of Jesse Barfield
Not saying Drabek and Leiter were Drysdale and Koufax but a damned sight better that the lumps the Bombers had in their rotation.
And the Highlanders/Yankees did suck. Poor ownership, 2nd banana to the Giants and having Hal Chase on your team, who probably threw more games than he played on the level
|
|
|
|
Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 12, 2023 23:35:21 GMT
1990, last place in the division, 95 losses.
Kevin Maas was their lone bright spot.
|
|
|
|
Post by Rufus-T on Dec 13, 2023 0:30:55 GMT
Bye Bye Balboni, wow. Frank Messer always talked about him when he was still in the minor. Like many of the star young players in the 80s, Yankees couldn't wait to trade him away to the Royals and got the championship there. He came back later in the career to the Yankees pit.
That Horace Clarke year had 3 consecutive losing season 1965-1967. The late 80s/early 90s had 4 straight losing years, 1980-1992. Like you said, unlike the 60s, other than Mattingly, there were no other exciting players at the time. Bernie came up, but we didn't know what he became yet.
Looking back at the records of Yankees seasons, they had some horrendous years while they were the Highlanders in the 1900s and as Yankees in the 1910s before Ruth.
They were a good team throughout the 80's, just not good enough for the playoffs. Talent galore, Donne, Rickey, Dave Winfield, Ron Guidry, Dave Righetti. Then the bottom fell out. Winfield and Guidry left, Henderson got hurt and Mattingly got pitched around. And they made three atrocious trades that really hurt
1986 - Yanks dealt Doug Drabek and spare parts to Pittsburgh for the ancient Rick Rhoden. Rhoden won 28 games in NY, Drabek won 92 in Pittsburgh 1988 - Yanks dealt Jay Buhner to Seattle for Ken Phelps, Ow!
1989 - Yanks dealt Al Leiter to Toronto for a year and a half of Jesse Barfield
Not saying Drabek and Leiter were Drysdale and Koufax but a damned sight better that the lumps the Bombers had in their rotation.
And the Highlanders/Yankees did suck. Poor ownership, 2nd banana to the Giants and having Hal Chase on your team, who probably threw more games than he played on the level
Drabek and Leiter turned out pretty good for their other teams.
The 80s Yankees made a lots of lousy moves. In addition to what you listed, remember Jack Clark, Ed Whitson? The worst I thought was putting Dave Righetti into the bullpen. Dominating starter. Could have won the ERA title in his rookie year if Bob Lemon didn't take him out too early in the final game. He was on the way to the HOF. That move pissed me off.
Despite all that, if there were a wild card in the mid 80s, Yankee may have gone to the WS in one of those years when they finished 2nd. |
|
|
|
Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 13, 2023 1:22:52 GMT
2004 had to be pretty rough. By this logic the 2007 Patriots season was a lot worse than the 2023 Patriots season. |
|
|
|
Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 13, 2023 2:44:25 GMT
2004 had to be pretty rough. By this logic the 2007 Patriots season was a lot worse than the 2023 Patriots season. It was! |
|
|
|
Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 13, 2023 15:19:28 GMT
2004 had to be pretty rough. By this logic the 2007 Patriots season was a lot worse than the 2023 Patriots season. Are you kidding, I'm loving this parade towards April's draft. Having tangible spring plans all fall & winter is awesome. Besides, 18-1 bookended by 3 SB titles on either side is a fair trade. I'd always thought 19-0 would've blown everything up because nothing else to challenge for. |
|
|
|
Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 4, 2024 3:53:07 GMT
Sure.
|
|
