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Post by transfuged on Jul 11, 2024 22:50:28 GMT
I see. Well, the sentence I wrote does not link looking forward and causes. And could you please proceed to the following sentence, where I write I did stop looking for causes ? I almost do not live in a time where Malthus rules. If I did... I am almost sure that in such a place, given the kind of conditioning people are subjected to, being told that being old is a crime, as in Logan’s run, I don’t think there would be a choice or a possible way to protest the way Mara is depicted. I suspect a thorough conditioning would break anyone’s spirit, being programmed to die on they umpteenth birthday. Life would be the long wait of a felon sentenced to death penalty in a prison without judge or jury and no reprieve. No human spirit or intelligence could be found there. I know they got a Nobel prize, but I’m not familiar with the work on instinct and I don’t follow their lead. Short way, I almost do not ”believe” in ”instinct.” Then follow your own lead. Watch a baby hold his breath under water, then ask yourself: Did someone teach him to do that? Maybe he was conditioned? I still have a does not compute answear if I program ”cuddling someone to death, be nice to someone to death” It's like we never even mentioned euthanasia. Sorry’ the internet thingy got messy this morning. I replied to this and lost it all. So, About the baby... I will not watch what you say. I have no children and I don’t intend on getting someone’s and put it underwater. Really. I trust you they indeed hold their breath like you write they do. But I’d call that ”reflex ”. I know cool literature dealing with ”instinct” but I have a hunch there’s none. About euthanasia, could you please not !
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Post by Admin on Jul 11, 2024 23:32:47 GMT
Then follow your own lead. Watch a baby hold his breath under water, then ask yourself: Did someone teach him to do that? Maybe he was conditioned? It's like we never even mentioned euthanasia. Sorry’ the internet thingy got messy this morning. I replied to this and lost it all. So, About the baby... I will not watch what you say. I have no children and I don’t intend on getting someone’s and put it underwater. Really. I trust you they indeed hold their breath like you write they do. But I’d call that ”reflex ”. I know cool literature dealing with ”instinct” but I have a hunch there’s none. About euthanasia, could you please not ! Do you know any cool literature that explains the difference between instinct and reflex? Asking someone to not euthanize a pet is to ask them to let their pet suffer, and in my dog's case, it would have been a long, slow, grueling suffocation. Shame on you for telling me I shouldn't have. Also shame on your Sunday School teachers for labeling you a sinner because you eat.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 12, 2024 16:02:48 GMT
Sorry’ the internet thingy got messy this morning. I replied to this and lost it all. So, About the baby... I will not watch what you say. I have no children and I don’t intend on getting someone’s and put it underwater. Really. I trust you they indeed hold their breath like you write they do. But I’d call that ”reflex ”. I know cool literature dealing with ”instinct” but I have a hunch there’s none. About euthanasia, could you please not ! Do you know any cool literature that explains the difference between instinct and reflex? Asking someone to not euthanize a pet is to ask them to let their pet suffer, and in my dog's case, it would have been a long, slow, grueling suffocation. Shame on you for telling me I shouldn't have. Also shame on your Sunday School teachers for labeling you a sinner because you eat. No, I only know cool literature about instinct, and have not the least clue about the Nobel prize work on instinct. Not being a scientist, I must be humble, and it’s only a hunch I have. Something makes it impossible for me to think behavior, memories or anything can get passed from only being born. I think behavior depends on superstructure, matter and individual ”desire”, but how could desire be passed in the genes, I think that would make good fantasy. Focus, please. Film flaneur introduced euthanasia in this, not I.! I will never ask you not to get your dog to the vet. It’s done, for one. Your vet is peculiar, btw. I had my own first cat killed by a vet, and het didn’t want me watching him working. He didn’t want to kill the cat. He left me one hour in a room with her. But I did not change my mind. She was suffering from wounds she got from the cat next door and her kidneys were failling. She was very fat. I was alone in my parent’s empty house. Everyone was on vacation, except me. I didn’t want to come home and find my cat dead. Years later, very recently, about 8 years ago, my pet bird died in my lap, suffocated to death in my lap. I watched him, he raised his head and looked at me, opened his beak and searched for air and his head retracted between his shoulders and he stopped moving. I was alone and I didn’t know when he was dead or what. I had kept it hours long in my lap after bathing him to keep him warm. And when he stopped moving, I stayed home and waited till he got stiff as a board and I knew. I had to keep him two days in the fridge before someone could get me in the forest where I could bury him, the alternative being putting him into a plastic bag with the trash, given the municipal rules. He was over fifteen years old, which is not possible in his species, for he was a blackbird I found fallen from his nest. His last days were horrible, but he was not alone. I could not get him to a vet, blackbirds are game and it’s outlawed to keep them of even take pictures of them. You know what, you did not kill your dog. The vet did it. You loved him and you were told killing is an act of love. I don’t buy it. Killing is never love. Death looks ugly, and I quite understand the vet who forbid me to watch my cat dying. We are mortals. We must put up with that fact. I wrote my opinion about somewhere where Deathpenalty would be enforced without judge or jury. Being mortal is enough or a burden in itself. No need to make it a rule of man, it’s a rule of nature. And yes, I resent dogmas. The religion that rules out in times when one can’t clone a steak, the destruction of life, forces people who are afraid to loose their souls and end up in hell to eat only moss and dead things found on trash. That’s sentencing them to live their mortal lives in hell, being buried alive doesn’t look better, and I suspect that kind of dogma is a fishy policy, and the clergy, foul. But as I noted, in the christian Bible, animal life is clearly second class life, and man can destroy it without committing himself to the fires of hell. So convenient ! Now , again, go on being a hunter fan, I stick to my advice. Do not let your dog out in times of hunting open season time.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 12, 2024 19:11:50 GMT
]I suspect there’s a difference when one search for causes and only look backward or try to look ahead. I stopped bothering with causes, and look ahead mist of the times. So, granny or not granny, both courses lead you to one place . Somewhere were life is not to be discarded lightly. I have no idea what you are on about, sorry. But for the most part life is indeed to be valued. Except of course when a deity supposedly justifies otherwise, apparently.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 13, 2024 12:48:16 GMT
]I suspect there’s a difference when one search for causes and only look backward or try to look ahead. I stopped bothering with causes, and look ahead mist of the times. So, granny or not granny, both courses lead you to one place . Somewhere were life is not to be discarded lightly. I have no idea what you are on about, sorry. But for the most part life is indeed to be valued. Except of course when a deity supposedly justifies otherwise, apparently. Ideas are not requested. You too, can you please not !? It’s almost sure the Greek philosophers who saw gods as probable but certainly not involved in human affairs except for watching them and rejoicing when seeing them being nice were right. I wrote that and you ignored it. Fine with me but please can you not , anyway !
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 13, 2024 18:41:17 GMT
Ideas are not requested. You too, can you please not !? I don't request ideas. I like to think for myself. Probably because you were addressing someone else. And it is apropos to.. what?
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Post by transfuged on Jul 13, 2024 22:15:04 GMT
Ideas are not requested. You too, can you please not !? I don't request ideas. I like to think for myself. Probably because you were addressing someone else. And it is apropos to.. what? Do as you please, then. Fine with me. I forgive you.💋
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Post by Admin on Jul 14, 2024 1:11:11 GMT
Do you know any cool literature that explains the difference between instinct and reflex? Asking someone to not euthanize a pet is to ask them to let their pet suffer, and in my dog's case, it would have been a long, slow, grueling suffocation. Shame on you for telling me I shouldn't have. Also shame on your Sunday School teachers for labeling you a sinner because you eat. No, I only know cool literature about instinct, and have not the least clue about the Nobel prize work on instinct. Not being a scientist, I must be humble, and it’s only a hunch I have. Something makes it impossible for me to think behavior, memories or anything can get passed from only being born. I think behavior depends on superstructure, matter and individual ”desire”, but how could desire be passed in the genes, I think that would make good fantasy. Focus, please. Film flaneur introduced euthanasia in this, not I.! I will never ask you not to get your dog to the vet. It’s done, for one. Your vet is peculiar, btw. I had my own first cat killed by a vet, and het didn’t want me watching him working. He didn’t want to kill the cat. He left me one hour in a room with her. But I did not change my mind. She was suffering from wounds she got from the cat next door and her kidneys were failling. She was very fat. I was alone in my parent’s empty house. Everyone was on vacation, except me. I didn’t want to come home and find my cat dead. Years later, very recently, about 8 years ago, my pet bird died in my lap, suffocated to death in my lap. I watched him, he raised his head and looked at me, opened his beak and searched for air and his head retracted between his shoulders and he stopped moving. I was alone and I didn’t know when he was dead or what. I had kept it hours long in my lap after bathing him to keep him warm. And when he stopped moving, I stayed home and waited till he got stiff as a board and I knew. I had to keep him two days in the fridge before someone could get me in the forest where I could bury him, the alternative being putting him into a plastic bag with the trash, given the municipal rules. He was over fifteen years old, which is not possible in his species, for he was a blackbird I found fallen from his nest. His last days were horrible, but he was not alone. I could not get him to a vet, blackbirds are game and it’s outlawed to keep them of even take pictures of them. You know what, you did not kill your dog. The vet did it. You loved him and you were told killing is an act of love. I don’t buy it. Killing is never love. Death looks ugly, and I quite understand the vet who forbid me to watch my cat dying. We are mortals. We must put up with that fact. I wrote my opinion about somewhere where Deathpenalty would be enforced without judge or jury. Being mortal is enough or a burden in itself. No need to make it a rule of man, it’s a rule of nature. And yes, I resent dogmas. The religion that rules out in times when one can’t clone a steak, the destruction of life, forces people who are afraid to loose their souls and end up in hell to eat only moss and dead things found on trash. That’s sentencing them to live their mortal lives in hell, being buried alive doesn’t look better, and I suspect that kind of dogma is a fishy policy, and the clergy, foul. But as I noted, in the christian Bible, animal life is clearly second class life, and man can destroy it without committing himself to the fires of hell. So convenient ! Now , again, go on being a hunter fan, I stick to my advice. Do not let your dog out in times of hunting open season time. So much wrong in that, I'm not sure where to begin or end. I guess I'll just take it from the top... 1. Even if we consider instincts to be reflexes, they are still present at birth, long before they can be taught or conditioned. You mentioned desire. All newborns have desires right out of the gate, like hunger for example. There's not a single living thing on Earth that has to be taught to eat. Or breathe. Or avoid pain. We are born with an undeniable desire to live. Show me a suicidal infant and maybe I'll take you seriously when you say there no innate traits or behaviors. Hell, even beavers are born with an innate compulsion to build dams. When an opinion is at odds with a fact, the latter wins every time regardless of whether or not you're even aware of it. To demonstrate this, tell me again how we're born with natural reflexes, but this time, do so without contradicting your own stated opinion that it's impossible. 2. I'm not sure why you keep telling me not to take my dead dog hunting, but there is nothing peculiar about a vet performing euthanasia for an animal with an incurable, terminal illness that will only suffer until it dies. It's cruel not to euthanize when it's appropriate, and I stand behind any vet who refuses to do what they call "convenience" or "revenge" euthanasia. You say it would be hell to be sentenced to eating moss and dead things in the trash, but ending one's suffering is not a loving act. Seems to me that you have some internal conflicts to work out. 3. Actually, the Bible is replete with passages concerning animal abuse, and not one of them says it's ok. But again, we have to eat if we want to live, and life feeds on life. Are you implying that God has forced us into a catch-22 by laying down the 6th Commandment while at the same time making us unable survive on rocks? That would be a much better conversation than this flip-flopping, backpedaling nonsense of yours that we're trudging through now. 4. If your bird could have talked, do you think he would have asked you to put him out of his misery? Better yet, if a suffering person asked you the same - say a soldier in a war with burning skin, all four limbs blown off, and doomed to spend the rest of his life being tortured by the enemy - would you really refuse his request? If I were that soldier, I would hate you for all eternity if you did. No one told me euthanasia was an act of love and compassion, and no one should have to tell you that, either. A few posts back, you said my dog didn't die in my lap. That was a red flag that I ignored, and so here we are, trying different strings on the same yo-yo. My bad. ps. Moss is life.
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Post by amyghost on Jul 14, 2024 10:59:00 GMT
Nothing to do with Jesus, but it puzzles me why the continued interaction with someone who, all possible cultural differences and linguistic issues aside, appears a very peculiar person...and I sometimes wonder if more than one person, since the poster's facility with written English seems to vary in aptitude throughout their thread of responses. I suppose that's why I gave up on the attempt some time back; reading through their interchanges with others here suggests I didn't miss much, apart from some fairly sophomoric and oddly worded nonversations issuing on their part.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Jul 14, 2024 13:08:39 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 14, 2024 16:51:43 GMT
I don't request ideas. I like to think for myself. Probably because you were addressing someone else. And it is apropos to.. what? Do as you please, then. Fine with me. I forgive you.💋 That is very kind of you. I forgive you too, even though I still have no idea what you are on about.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 14, 2024 17:18:43 GMT
No, I only know cool literature about instinct, and have not the least clue about the Nobel prize work on instinct. Not being a scientist, I must be humble, and it’s only a hunch I have. Something makes it impossible for me to think behavior, memories or anything can get passed from only being born. I think behavior depends on superstructure, matter and individual ”desire”, but how could desire be passed in the genes, I think that would make good fantasy. Focus, please. Film flaneur introduced euthanasia in this, not I.! I will never ask you not to get your dog to the vet. It’s done, for one. Your vet is peculiar, btw. I had my own first cat killed by a vet, and het didn’t want me watching him working. He didn’t want to kill the cat. He left me one hour in a room with her. But I did not change my mind. She was suffering from wounds she got from the cat next door and her kidneys were failling. She was very fat. I was alone in my parent’s empty house. Everyone was on vacation, except me. I didn’t want to come home and find my cat dead. Years later, very recently, about 8 years ago, my pet bird died in my lap, suffocated to death in my lap. I watched him, he raised his head and looked at me, opened his beak and searched for air and his head retracted between his shoulders and he stopped moving. I was alone and I didn’t know when he was dead or what. I had kept it hours long in my lap after bathing him to keep him warm. And when he stopped moving, I stayed home and waited till he got stiff as a board and I knew. I had to keep him two days in the fridge before someone could get me in the forest where I could bury him, the alternative being putting him into a plastic bag with the trash, given the municipal rules. He was over fifteen years old, which is not possible in his species, for he was a blackbird I found fallen from his nest. His last days were horrible, but he was not alone. I could not get him to a vet, blackbirds are game and it’s outlawed to keep them of even take pictures of them. You know what, you did not kill your dog. The vet did it. You loved him and you were told killing is an act of love. I don’t buy it. Killing is never love. Death looks ugly, and I quite understand the vet who forbid me to watch my cat dying. We are mortals. We must put up with that fact. I wrote my opinion about somewhere where Deathpenalty would be enforced without judge or jury. Being mortal is enough or a burden in itself. No need to make it a rule of man, it’s a rule of nature. And yes, I resent dogmas. The religion that rules out in times when one can’t clone a steak, the destruction of life, forces people who are afraid to loose their souls and end up in hell to eat only moss and dead things found on trash. That’s sentencing them to live their mortal lives in hell, being buried alive doesn’t look better, and I suspect that kind of dogma is a fishy policy, and the clergy, foul. But as I noted, in the christian Bible, animal life is clearly second class life, and man can destroy it without committing himself to the fires of hell. So convenient ! Now , again, go on being a hunter fan, I stick to my advice. Do not let your dog out in times of hunting open season time. So much wrong in that, I'm not sure where to begin or end. I guess I'll just take it from the top... 1. Even if we consider instincts to be reflexes, they are still present at birth, long before they can be taught or conditioned. You mentioned desire. All newborns have desires right out of the gate, like hunger for example. There's not a single living thing on Earth that has to be taught to eat. Or breathe. Or avoid pain. We are born with an undeniable desire to live. Show me a suicidal infant and maybe I'll take you seriously when you say there no innate traits or behaviors. Hell, even beavers are born with an innate compulsion to build dams. When an opinion is at odds with a fact, the latter wins every time regardless of whether or not you're even aware of it. To demonstrate this, tell me again how we're born with natural reflexes, but this time, do so without contradicting your own stated opinion that it's impossible. 2. I'm not sure why you keep telling me not to take my dead dog hunting, but there is nothing peculiar about a vet performing euthanasia for an animal with an incurable, terminal illness that will only suffer until it dies. It's cruel not to euthanize when it's appropriate, and I stand behind any vet who refuses to do what they call "convenience" or "revenge" euthanasia. You say it would be hell to be sentenced to eating moss and dead things in the trash, but ending one's suffering is not a loving act. Seems to me that you have some internal conflicts to work out. 3. Actually, the Bible is replete with passages concerning animal abuse, and not one of them says it's ok. But again, we have to eat if we want to live, and life feeds on life. Are you implying that God has forced us into a catch-22 by laying down the 6th Commandment while at the same time making us unable survive on rocks? That would be a much better conversation than this flip-flopping, backpedaling nonsense of yours that we're trudging through now. 4. If your bird could have talked, do you think he would have asked you to put him out of his misery? Better yet, if a suffering person asked you the same - say a soldier in a war with burning skin, all four limbs blown off, and doomed to spend the rest of his life being tortured by the enemy - would you really refuse his request? If I were that soldier, I would hate you for all eternity if you did. No one told me euthanasia was an act of love and compassion, and no one should have to tell you that, either. A few posts back, you said my dog didn't die in my lap. That was a red flag that I ignored, and so here we are, trying different strings on the same yo-yo. My bad. ps. Moss is life. I suggest we took any serious debate about instinct versus reflexes on the science board, ADMIN. And I see you do not get the subject of steack cloning, but it's 2024, and it’s possible. UT that a topic for the science board. Again, it’s more a matter of choosing one’s words than anything else. I have a gut feeling against the word instinct, because I suspect it deals with genetics and I told you I do not deny that a baby that gets a tit in the mouth shall suck it without getting a lesson in tit sucking . (Though I watched that process, and it takes some time and trials before the baby succeeds in getting mom’s juice, to my knowledge). What I belive is that somehow, matter is at work through shape and nerves and there is nowhere in the mother’s genes some knowledge that instructs the baby to suck across the gap of generations. Memories can’t be passed from mother to baby through genes, imho. If you want to call me a wrong doer because I have an opinion on the matter, so be it. I don’t tell You not to take the ghost of your dog hunting. That’s you Interpreting what I wrote. I do not interpret your writings. You wrote than, appart from crazy sportsmen, you agree with hunting. I advise again anyone who love their dog to keep them indoors in times when hunters go out and shoot at everything they can shoot out, sometimes even people, hurting them or worse. No, it’s not cruel, not to euthanize. I rode horses and my first job was horse riding teaching for the French airforce. As a kid, horses with a broken leg were euthanized because there was no surgery and no kinesiotherapy. Now there is, and they do not get euthanized everytime, for example. The vet who killed my cat did not want to do it. He trained for years in order to cure animals, not to kill them. Killing my cat was convenient for me given the circumstances I wrote. I could have left my cat home, and she would have died anyway. But I was squeamish. I had seen dead cats horribly disfigured and I did not want to see her as a dead thing. Because she was not a thing to me, I fancied that. I was wrong. The vet did not want me to see her dead, either, it’s a common policy, an habit. My bird’s death could have occurred anytime, I was warned, I knew it, I accepted it. That was years later my first cat. I saw far uglier things before that. Lots of things happened to me in between, and to others. I volunteered to help others. I took care of the old bird as one takes care of any old people. I got him the insects he liked. I played him music. I bathed him. I kept him warm. An old person is going. It does mean sometimes it hurts. But if there is someone who loves them and smile to them, and kiss them and change their sheets, any extra shared moment is worth taking the chance of hurt. But if someone (Only there’s no one in my life. I can write it, it won’t happen) I would love is hurting to the point that every second is making them scream kill me, I would be the one taking a gun and shooting them myself, then I’ll serve a life sentence, because homicide is cruel, violent and homicidal people can’t be pardonned by human justice. It’s possible to understand and morally forgive. But murder is murder. It’s wrong to kill not under excuse of provocation. Illness and other’s suffering are not provocation, (neither is old age) it’s very bad luck. I am a trained lawyer and I read about divorce. People get married, they have a legal duty to help their spouse. And when s...t happens, when the spouse gets depressed, they ask for justice to get rid of the burden and divorce them. Well, here, at last, justice answer is, your spouse is sick, you vowed to help, stick it up your ear, and proceed with helping, you ...!, and stop talking about divorce! In some things, there’s no choice, no freedom. You can sugar it with all the love, killing is not good. And as long as suicide is forbidden, legal euthanasia I will never agree with’ because death is a law of nature and that old idea in the history of political Ideas I also studied, and it was outlawed by the French revolution. Death, law of mortals, law of nature, must not become law of man. Ending one suffering with murder is a crime, not an act of love. ”passionate ” crime is hideous homicide, when it’s not actual plain common or garden disingenuous plea against murder charges. You’d wrote that rape is a sexual intercourse, and euthanasia an act of love, i would ask you if beating your face with a shovel is gardening. Hah ! I wrote clearly that Christian dogma rules out killing, that is termination of, destruction of life, but animal life is second class life. Can you not ! I don’t know what is a catch 22 and just for the very moment, I don’t care a .... About the moss, you know the Japanese movie deals with Hunger and that it’s a distopic movie. If you want to use your brain, I won’t mind it. But now, I’m angry and I suggest you discuss euthanasia with film flaneur or you mother in law, but not me. And I see you do not acknowledge your mistake about accusing me with introducing euthanasia, when I did not and provided a link. Fine with me. Same as film flaneur, I forgive you. Oh, yes, the talking bird ”if”. My bird never learned to sing the way others did in the wild. He twittered and I taught him to flute. I doubt he’d asked me. He knew I loved him and that I would not kill lightly and with love, but only with hate and fury. He would not have wanted me angry and hateful to him and to myself. Pps I know moss is plant life.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 14, 2024 20:38:41 GMT
Do as you please, then. Fine with me. I forgive you.💋 That is very kind of you. I forgive you too, even though I still have no idea what you are on about. Oh, terrific. Have a nice evening, then !💋
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Post by Admin on Jul 14, 2024 21:17:09 GMT
So much wrong in that, I'm not sure where to begin or end. I guess I'll just take it from the top... 1. Even if we consider instincts to be reflexes, they are still present at birth, long before they can be taught or conditioned. You mentioned desire. All newborns have desires right out of the gate, like hunger for example. There's not a single living thing on Earth that has to be taught to eat. Or breathe. Or avoid pain. We are born with an undeniable desire to live. Show me a suicidal infant and maybe I'll take you seriously when you say there no innate traits or behaviors. Hell, even beavers are born with an innate compulsion to build dams. When an opinion is at odds with a fact, the latter wins every time regardless of whether or not you're even aware of it. To demonstrate this, tell me again how we're born with natural reflexes, but this time, do so without contradicting your own stated opinion that it's impossible. 2. I'm not sure why you keep telling me not to take my dead dog hunting, but there is nothing peculiar about a vet performing euthanasia for an animal with an incurable, terminal illness that will only suffer until it dies. It's cruel not to euthanize when it's appropriate, and I stand behind any vet who refuses to do what they call "convenience" or "revenge" euthanasia. You say it would be hell to be sentenced to eating moss and dead things in the trash, but ending one's suffering is not a loving act. Seems to me that you have some internal conflicts to work out. 3. Actually, the Bible is replete with passages concerning animal abuse, and not one of them says it's ok. But again, we have to eat if we want to live, and life feeds on life. Are you implying that God has forced us into a catch-22 by laying down the 6th Commandment while at the same time making us unable survive on rocks? That would be a much better conversation than this flip-flopping, backpedaling nonsense of yours that we're trudging through now. 4. If your bird could have talked, do you think he would have asked you to put him out of his misery? Better yet, if a suffering person asked you the same - say a soldier in a war with burning skin, all four limbs blown off, and doomed to spend the rest of his life being tortured by the enemy - would you really refuse his request? If I were that soldier, I would hate you for all eternity if you did. No one told me euthanasia was an act of love and compassion, and no one should have to tell you that, either. A few posts back, you said my dog didn't die in my lap. That was a red flag that I ignored, and so here we are, trying different strings on the same yo-yo. My bad. ps. Moss is life. I suggest we took any serious debate about instinct versus reflexes on the science board, ADMIN. And I see you do not get the subject of steack cloning, but it's 2024, and it’s possible. UT that a topic for the science board. Again, it’s more a matter of choosing one’s words than anything else. I have a gut feeling against the word instinct, because I suspect it deals with genetics and I told you I do not deny that a baby that gets a tit in the mouth shall suck it without getting a lesson in tit sucking . (Though I watched that process, and it takes some time and trials before the baby succeeds in getting mom’s juice, to my knowledge). What I belive is that somehow, matter is at work through shape and nerves and there is nowhere in the mother’s genes some knowledge that instructs the baby to suck across the gap of generations. Memories can’t be passed from mother to baby through genes, imho. If you want to call me a wrong doer because I have an opinion on the matter, so be it. I don’t tell You not to take the ghost of your dog hunting. That’s you Interpreting what I wrote. I do not interpret your writings. You wrote than, appart from crazy sportsmen, you agree with hunting. I advise again anyone who love their dog to keep them indoors in times when hunters go out and shoot at everything they can shoot out, sometimes even people, hurting them or worse. No, it’s not cruel, not to euthanize. I rode horses and my first job was horse riding teaching for the French airforce. As a kid, horses with a broken leg were euthanized because there was no surgery and no kinesiotherapy. Now there is, and they do not get euthanized everytime, for example. The vet who killed my cat did not want to do it. He trained for years in order to cure animals, not to kill them. Killing my cat was convenient for me given the circumstances I wrote. I could have left my cat home, and she would have died anyway. But I was squeamish. I had seen dead cats horribly disfigured and I did not want to see her as a dead thing. Because she was not a thing to me, I fancied that. I was wrong. The vet did not want me to see her dead, either, it’s a common policy, an habit. My bird’s death could have occurred anytime, I was warned, I knew it, I accepted it. That was years later my first cat. I saw far uglier things before that. Lots of things happened to me in between, and to others. I volunteered to help others. I took care of the old bird as one takes care of any old people. I got him the insects he liked. I played him music. I bathed him. I kept him warm. An old person is going. It does mean sometimes it hurts. But if there is someone who loves them and smile to them, and kiss them and change their sheets, any extra shared moment is worth taking the chance of hurt. But if someone (Only there’s no one in my life. I can write it, it won’t happen) I would love is hurting to the point that every second is making them scream kill me, I would be the one taking a gun and shooting them myself, then I’ll serve a life sentence, because homicide is cruel, violent and homicidal people can’t be pardonned by human justice. It’s possible to understand and morally forgive. But murder is murder. It’s wrong to kill not under excuse of provocation. Illness and other’s suffering are not provocation, (neither is old age) it’s very bad luck. I am a trained lawyer and I read about divorce. People get married, they have a legal duty to help their spouse. And when s...t happens, when the spouse gets depressed, they ask for justice to get rid of the burden and divorce them. Well, here, at last, justice answer is, your spouse is sick, you vowed to help, stick it up your ear, and proceed with helping, you ...!, and stop talking about divorce! In some things, there’s no choice, no freedom. You can sugar it with all the love, killing is not good. And as long as suicide is forbidden, legal euthanasia I will never agree with’ because death is a law of nature and that old idea in the history of political Ideas I also studied, and it was outlawed by the French revolution. Death, law of mortals, law of nature, must not become law of man. Ending one suffering with murder is a crime, not an act of love. ”passionate ” crime is hideous homicide, when it’s not actual plain common or garden disingenuous plea against murder charges. You’d wrote that rape is a sexual intercourse, and euthanasia an act of love, i would ask you if beating your face with a shovel is gardening. Hah ! I wrote clearly that Christian dogma rules out killing, that is termination of, destruction of life, but animal life is second class life. Can you not ! I don’t know what is a catch 22 and just for the very moment, I don’t care a .... About the moss, you know the Japanese movie deals with Hunger and that it’s a distopic movie. If you want to use your brain, I won’t mind it. But now, I’m angry and I suggest you discuss euthanasia with film flaneur or you mother in law, but not me. And I see you do not acknowledge your mistake about accusing me with introducing euthanasia, when I did not and provided a link. Fine with me. Same as film flaneur, I forgive you. Oh, yes, the talking bird ”if”. My bird never learned to sing the way others did in the wild. He twittered and I taught him to flute. I doubt he’d asked me. He knew I loved him and that I would not kill lightly and with love, but only with hate and fury. He would not have wanted me angry and hateful to him and to myself. Pps I know moss is plant life. I don't recall accusing you of introducing euthanasia into this discussion, but I ignored your link because it's irrelevant who brought it up. However, euthanasia is perfectly relevant to a discussion about the 6th Commandment, and a discussion about the 6th Commandment is perfectly on topic for this board. I also don't recall saying rape is a sexual intercourse, but I would because it is. I'm not sure why you so often remind us that you're a lawyer of some sort. Your occupation would carry some weight in this chat if you were, say, a veterinarian. Or even better, an emergency vet: youtu.be/Jh-KKjIJHfkWhen the only two options are incurable suffering or death, the latter is generally the preferable choice. Surely you don't believe that people only beg to be put out of their misery in the movies. At any rate, your personal opinion is good to know. Should you ever find yourself in a such a position, I'll be sure to let you suffer until you die. Call it love.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 15, 2024 6:37:33 GMT
I suggest we took any serious debate about instinct versus reflexes on the science board, ADMIN. And I see you do not get the subject of steack cloning, but it's 2024, and it’s possible. UT that a topic for the science board. Again, it’s more a matter of choosing one’s words than anything else. I have a gut feeling against the word instinct, because I suspect it deals with genetics and I told you I do not deny that a baby that gets a tit in the mouth shall suck it without getting a lesson in tit sucking . (Though I watched that process, and it takes some time and trials before the baby succeeds in getting mom’s juice, to my knowledge). What I belive is that somehow, matter is at work through shape and nerves and there is nowhere in the mother’s genes some knowledge that instructs the baby to suck across the gap of generations. Memories can’t be passed from mother to baby through genes, imho. If you want to call me a wrong doer because I have an opinion on the matter, so be it. I don’t tell You not to take the ghost of your dog hunting. That’s you Interpreting what I wrote. I do not interpret your writings. You wrote than, appart from crazy sportsmen, you agree with hunting. I advise again anyone who love their dog to keep them indoors in times when hunters go out and shoot at everything they can shoot out, sometimes even people, hurting them or worse. No, it’s not cruel, not to euthanize. I rode horses and my first job was horse riding teaching for the French airforce. As a kid, horses with a broken leg were euthanized because there was no surgery and no kinesiotherapy. Now there is, and they do not get euthanized everytime, for example. The vet who killed my cat did not want to do it. He trained for years in order to cure animals, not to kill them. Killing my cat was convenient for me given the circumstances I wrote. I could have left my cat home, and she would have died anyway. But I was squeamish. I had seen dead cats horribly disfigured and I did not want to see her as a dead thing. Because she was not a thing to me, I fancied that. I was wrong. The vet did not want me to see her dead, either, it’s a common policy, an habit. My bird’s death could have occurred anytime, I was warned, I knew it, I accepted it. That was years later my first cat. I saw far uglier things before that. Lots of things happened to me in between, and to others. I volunteered to help others. I took care of the old bird as one takes care of any old people. I got him the insects he liked. I played him music. I bathed him. I kept him warm. An old person is going. It does mean sometimes it hurts. But if there is someone who loves them and smile to them, and kiss them and change their sheets, any extra shared moment is worth taking the chance of hurt. But if someone (Only there’s no one in my life. I can write it, it won’t happen) I would love is hurting to the point that every second is making them scream kill me, I would be the one taking a gun and shooting them myself, then I’ll serve a life sentence, because homicide is cruel, violent and homicidal people can’t be pardonned by human justice. It’s possible to understand and morally forgive. But murder is murder. It’s wrong to kill not under excuse of provocation. Illness and other’s suffering are not provocation, (neither is old age) it’s very bad luck. I am a trained lawyer and I read about divorce. People get married, they have a legal duty to help their spouse. And when s...t happens, when the spouse gets depressed, they ask for justice to get rid of the burden and divorce them. Well, here, at last, justice answer is, your spouse is sick, you vowed to help, stick it up your ear, and proceed with helping, you ...!, and stop talking about divorce! In some things, there’s no choice, no freedom. You can sugar it with all the love, killing is not good. And as long as suicide is forbidden, legal euthanasia I will never agree with’ because death is a law of nature and that old idea in the history of political Ideas I also studied, and it was outlawed by the French revolution. Death, law of mortals, law of nature, must not become law of man. Ending one suffering with murder is a crime, not an act of love. ”passionate ” crime is hideous homicide, when it’s not actual plain common or garden disingenuous plea against murder charges. You’d wrote that rape is a sexual intercourse, and euthanasia an act of love, i would ask you if beating your face with a shovel is gardening. Hah ! I wrote clearly that Christian dogma rules out killing, that is termination of, destruction of life, but animal life is second class life. Can you not ! I don’t know what is a catch 22 and just for the very moment, I don’t care a .... About the moss, you know the Japanese movie deals with Hunger and that it’s a distopic movie. If you want to use your brain, I won’t mind it. But now, I’m angry and I suggest you discuss euthanasia with film flaneur or you mother in law, but not me. And I see you do not acknowledge your mistake about accusing me with introducing euthanasia, when I did not and provided a link. Fine with me. Same as film flaneur, I forgive you. Oh, yes, the talking bird ”if”. My bird never learned to sing the way others did in the wild. He twittered and I taught him to flute. I doubt he’d asked me. He knew I loved him and that I would not kill lightly and with love, but only with hate and fury. He would not have wanted me angry and hateful to him and to myself. Pps I know moss is plant life. I don't recall accusing you of introducing euthanasia into this discussion, but I ignored your link because it's irrelevant who brought it up. However, euthanasia is perfectly relevant to a discussion about the 6th Commandment, and a discussion about the 6th Commandment is perfectly on topic for this board. I also don't recall saying rape is a sexual intercourse, but I would because it is. I'm not sure why you so often remind us that you're a lawyer of some sort. Your occupation would carry some weight in this chat if you were, say, a veterinarian. Or even better, an emergency vet: youtu.be/Jh-KKjIJHfkWhen the only two options are incurable suffering or death, the latter is generally the preferable choice. Surely you don't believe that people only beg to be put out of their misery in the movies. At any rate, your personal opinion is good to know. Should you ever find yourself in a such a position, I'll be sure to let you suffer until you die. Call it love. Terrific. Good day to you, sir. (Happy gardening day!)
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 15, 2024 10:32:58 GMT
That is very kind of you. I forgive you too, even though I still have no idea what you are on about. Oh, terrific. Have a nice evening, then !💋 Thank you, I will.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 15, 2024 19:06:10 GMT
Oh, terrific. Have a nice evening, then !💋 Thank you, I will. Don’t let the bedbugs bite!
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Post by Admin on Jul 15, 2024 20:03:29 GMT
I don't recall accusing you of introducing euthanasia into this discussion, but I ignored your link because it's irrelevant who brought it up. However, euthanasia is perfectly relevant to a discussion about the 6th Commandment, and a discussion about the 6th Commandment is perfectly on topic for this board. I also don't recall saying rape is a sexual intercourse, but I would because it is. I'm not sure why you so often remind us that you're a lawyer of some sort. Your occupation would carry some weight in this chat if you were, say, a veterinarian. Or even better, an emergency vet: youtu.be/Jh-KKjIJHfkWhen the only two options are incurable suffering or death, the latter is generally the preferable choice. Surely you don't believe that people only beg to be put out of their misery in the movies. At any rate, your personal opinion is good to know. Should you ever find yourself in a such a position, I'll be sure to let you suffer until you die. Call it love. Terrific. Good day to you, sir. (Happy gardening day!) I just told you I would respect your wishes, and you still want to hit me in the face with a shovel. That's mean.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 15, 2024 20:34:42 GMT
Don’t let the bedbugs bite! We don't all suffer as you perhaps do.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 15, 2024 23:41:31 GMT
Don’t let the bedbugs bite! We don't all suffer as you perhaps do. The perhaps suffering person sends you many polite greetings, and she thinks no less.💋
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