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Post by FilmFlaneur on Apr 8, 2024 20:23:54 GMT
The Vatican's latest shot in the culture wars. But have they forgotten that Jesus was Himself, er, by definition a surrogate birth?
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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 8, 2024 21:53:11 GMT
The Vatican's latest shot in the culture wars. But have they forgotten that Jesus was Himself, er, by definition a surrogate birth? Come on now FF, this is deflection at its finest. We have to allow the church to threaten the human dignity of minorities so they can at least say that they are are preaching kindness to the masses. |
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 9, 2024 13:57:07 GMT
I can understand some reservations about surrogacy but so long as the birth mother has full control over the pregnancy and it's not just a 'rent a womb' situation, I don't really see how it hurts anyone's dignity in the way described here.
As for gender:
So addressing gender dysphoria via surgery is making oneself God because it's changing what God created. But fixing gender abnormalities via surgery is apparently not making yourself God even though these abnormalities would surely also be part of God's plan.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Apr 9, 2024 19:27:36 GMT
I can understand some reservations about surrogacy but so long as the birth mother has full control over the pregnancy and it's not just a 'rent a womb' situation, I don't really see how it hurts anyone's dignity in the way described here. As for gender: So addressing gender dysphoria via surgery is making oneself God because it's changing what God created. But fixing gender abnormalities via surgery is apparently not making yourself God even though these abnormalities would surely also be part of God's plan. This is all true bur then again the Bible does not specifically address the topic of gender identity or changing one's gender. However, some conservative Christians interpret certain passages in the Bible as being relevant to this issue. Others can point to lines such as Galatians 3:28, which states that "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." While in elsewhere JC appears to acknowledge that people are born different "“Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." — Matthew 19:11–12 (NIV) |
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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 20, 2024 20:08:45 GMT
I have worked with four people who have transitioned from male to female. I have had no issues with these people and they are all fairly nice.
I know if I tried to quote that document and got all pious with them I would likely get fired.
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Post by amyghost on Apr 23, 2024 12:06:10 GMT
I can understand some reservations about surrogacy but so long as the birth mother has full control over the pregnancy and it's not just a 'rent a womb' situation, I don't really see how it hurts anyone's dignity in the way described here. As for gender: So addressing gender dysphoria via surgery is making oneself God because it's changing what God created. But fixing gender abnormalities via surgery is apparently not making yourself God even though these abnormalities would surely also be part of God's plan. I've sometimes wondered at the fact that the RCC doesn't take the Christian Science approach of claiming that any manner of medical intervention is a usurpation of God's prerogatives; but, given the fact that most of the Catholic hierarchy are geriatrics, maybe that's not so surprising after all  . |
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 23, 2024 13:26:30 GMT
I can understand some reservations about surrogacy but so long as the birth mother has full control over the pregnancy and it's not just a 'rent a womb' situation, I don't really see how it hurts anyone's dignity in the way described here. As for gender: So addressing gender dysphoria via surgery is making oneself God because it's changing what God created. But fixing gender abnormalities via surgery is apparently not making yourself God even though these abnormalities would surely also be part of God's plan. I've sometimes wondered at the fact that the RCC doesn't take the Christian Science approach of claiming that any manner of medical intervention is a usurpation of God's prerogatives; but, given the fact that most of the Catholic hierarchy are geriatrics, maybe that's not so surprising after all . The Christian Science stance is at least logical and consistent in its way - if illness is God's plan, who are we to fix it? The Catholic Church on the other hand says 'By all means, fix a cleft palate, God clearly didn't intend that. But he definitely intended your genitalia should dictate your gender, trust us.' |
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Post by amyghost on Apr 24, 2024 12:27:29 GMT
I've sometimes wondered at the fact that the RCC doesn't take the Christian Science approach of claiming that any manner of medical intervention is a usurpation of God's prerogatives; but, given the fact that most of the Catholic hierarchy are geriatrics, maybe that's not so surprising after all . The Christian Science stance is at least logical and consistent in its way - if illness is God's plan, who are we to fix it? The Catholic Church on the other hand says 'By all means, fix a cleft palate, God clearly didn't intend that. But he definitely intended your genitalia should dictate your gender, trust us.' The RCC's general obsessional fixation on what one does with one's genitals has done a lot to rob it of its credibility, overall. |
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