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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 30, 2024 21:48:44 GMT
Did something happen to Trump today?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 30, 2024 23:20:07 GMT
Just be glad you aren't one of the millions of people who will have to justify to themselves the concept of voting for a convicted felon. In all likelihood he won't see prison time, so this conviction does nothing but raise the cynical comedy levels even higher than they already were regarding this clown.
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Post by DrKrippen on May 30, 2024 23:31:28 GMT
Just be glad you aren't one of the millions of people who will have to justify to themselves the concept of voting for a convicted felon. In all likelihood he won't see prison time, so this conviction does nothing but raise the cynical comedy levels even higher than they already were regarding this clown. 34 felony convictions for crimes whose convictions routinely end up with prison time. I think there is a chance he does time. How would the justice system rationalize not sentencing him?
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Post by DrKrippen on May 30, 2024 23:33:18 GMT
On a much smaller level, but more comical one, now that he is a convicted felon, does that mean he can't vote for himself as president?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 30, 2024 23:49:24 GMT
Just be glad you aren't one of the millions of people who will have to justify to themselves the concept of voting for a convicted felon. In all likelihood he won't see prison time, so this conviction does nothing but raise the cynical comedy levels even higher than they already were regarding this clown. 34 felony convictions for crimes whose convictions routinely end up with prison time. I think there is a chance he does time. How would the justice system rationalize not sentencing him? Class E felonies are a broad spectrum covering all manner of crimes, but Trump's crimes here aren't violent or related to drugs. There technically aren't even any 'victims,' other than the system he defrauded. Still, 34 counts is a shit ton. I'd love to see him do time, but somehow I just don't know if the judge has it in him. We'll find out on July 11th, then the only question will be which militia group the Mobster-in-Chief activates via social media.
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 30, 2024 23:57:29 GMT
34 felony convictions for crimes whose convictions routinely end up with prison time. I think there is a chance he does time. How would the justice system rationalize not sentencing him? Class E felonies are a broad spectrum covering all manner of crimes, but Trump's crimes here aren't violent or related to drugs. There technically aren't even any 'victims,' other than the system he defrauded. Still, 34 counts is a shit ton. I'd love to see him do time, but somehow I just don't know if the judge has it in him. We'll find out on July 11th, then the only question will be which militia group the Mobster-in-Chief activates via social media. What makes this story even more absurd is two things: 1. Trump was openly tweeting (or whatever it's called on his platform) about how it wasn't fair that the prosecution had the last word in the trial. He knows all too well how this process works, as do his lawyers....but his followers don't. They now all further believe that this whole thing was a sham based solely on their lack of understanding of jurisprudence. 2. Earlier today, right wing media was claiming that the judge gave instructions to the jury that they can convict with a mere majority vote, which is insanely not true. Again, everyone on Fox News knows how this works, but his followers don't. Anyone running for president shouldn't be able to lie about these things so brazenly, especially given the fact that any one of us would be in jail for these types of crimes or, ya know, openly threatening the judge and prosecutors, and posting pictures of their children online. I guess Trump is right about one thing - there are indeed two systems of justice in this country, just not in the way he wants his followers to believe.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 31, 2024 0:02:40 GMT
Class E felonies are a broad spectrum covering all manner of crimes, but Trump's crimes here aren't violent or related to drugs. There technically aren't even any 'victims,' other than the system he defrauded. Still, 34 counts is a shit ton. I'd love to see him do time, but somehow I just don't know if the judge has it in him. We'll find out on July 11th, then the only question will be which militia group the Mobster-in-Chief activates via social media. What makes this story even more absurd is two things: 1. Trump was openly tweeting (or whatever it's called on his platform) about how it wasn't fair that the prosecution had the last word in the trial. He knows all too well how this process works, as do his lawyers....but his followers don't. They now all further believe that this whole thing was a sham based solely on their lack of understanding of jurisprudence. 2. Earlier today, right wing media was claiming that the judge gave instructions to the jury that they can convict with a mere majority vote, which is insanely not true. Again, everyone on Fox News knows how this works, but his followers don't. Anyone running for president shouldn't be able to lie about these things so brazenly, especially given the fact that any one of us would be in jail for these types of crimes or, ya know, openly threatening the judge and prosecutors, and posting pictures of their children online. I guess Trump is right about one thing - there are indeed two systems of justice in this country, just not in the way he wants his followers to believe. He pulled the same shit earlier in the trial. He didn't dare take the stand because he simply cannot tell the truth. Merchan asked if he would be taking the stand, and he hid behind the gag order, saying that was preventing him from testifying. His lawyer nodded in agreement, and both of them knew 100% this was not the case. To your point, this is all optics for his followers. They know what they're doing. Merchan stepped in and reminded Trump he absolutely has the right to take the stand in his own defense.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 31, 2024 0:34:12 GMT
Here's the one thing I can't believe - how did they get 12 New Yorkers to agree on anything? I'm not questioning the verdict, I'm just shocked there wasn't one person on that jury that was a red hatter. Didn't the defense presumably have a say in the makeup of the jury? Color me shocked.
On another note, I don't expect him to spend 10 seconds in prison.
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Post by Winston Wolf on May 31, 2024 0:35:52 GMT
On a completely unrelated note, I miss millar70.
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Post by sdm3 on May 31, 2024 6:02:01 GMT
Here's the one thing I can't believe - how did they get 12 New Yorkers to agree on anything? I'm not questioning the verdict, I'm just shocked there wasn't one person on that jury that was a red hatter. Didn't the defense presumably have a say in the makeup of the jury? Color me shocked. On another note, I don't expect him to spend 10 seconds in prison. He finally got the popular vote.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 31, 2024 11:52:40 GMT
And now the sycophants are out in full force seeing who can kiss his ass the most on TV, presumably, to beg to be his VP, and thus vie to commit treason or be targeted for hanging by his mob. What a sad state.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 31, 2024 12:05:34 GMT
And now the sycophants are out in full force seeing who can kiss his ass the most on TV, presumably, to beg to be his VP, and thus vie to commit treason or be targeted for hanging by his mob. What a sad state. Let's say Trump loses the election (and he could very well win, there's no reason to dance around that). where does the GOP go from here? I think they run him again in 2028. Hell, they'll run him in 2032 if he's still kicking. That isn't a political party anymore, it's a cult. They have no values, they stand for nothing, their platform is "FUCK YOU!!!" None of the old rules of politics have applied since 2016. I don't know where they go from here. The scary part is, neither do they. Here they are lining up to defend a convicted felon, attacking yet another bedrock of American democracy, the justice system. "We love America. We're patriots." Until the rules work against them (i.e., elections, criminal trials), then they want to tear the whole thing down. Because who wants to live in a world where women can get abortions and gay characters appear in Disney movies?
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Post by klawrencio79 on May 31, 2024 13:06:20 GMT
Lost in all of this is the fact that the Mets won last night! Spoilers for Sopranos below: It's like when Christopher dies and Tony's gambling luck immediately turns around. This was all the Mets needed!
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Post by Horselover Fat on May 31, 2024 13:09:00 GMT
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Post by sdm3 on May 31, 2024 13:17:23 GMT
Just be glad you aren't one of the millions of people who will have to justify to themselves the concept of voting for a convicted felon. In all likelihood he won't see prison time, so this conviction does nothing but raise the cynical comedy levels even higher than they already were regarding this clown. They'll justify it through denial, like they're already doing. The trial was "rigged." The jurors "hated Trump." The verdict will be "overturned" on appeal. The judge will "lose his law license." These people are absolutely insane - then you have those who'll say "I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting against Biden."
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 31, 2024 14:09:37 GMT
Just be glad you aren't one of the millions of people who will have to justify to themselves the concept of voting for a convicted felon. In all likelihood he won't see prison time, so this conviction does nothing but raise the cynical comedy levels even higher than they already were regarding this clown. They'll justify it through denial, like they're already doing. The trial was "rigged." The jurors "hated Trump." The verdict will be "overturned" on appeal. The judge will "lose his law license." These people are absolutely insane - then you have those who'll say "I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting against Biden." I don’t understand the love for ANY politician, let alone Trump. Sure, I liked Bill Clinton and Obama. I even kind of liked John McCain. But my like for them barely rose above the level of them being the lesser of two evils. The absolute worship of a guy that wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire just baffles me. I just can’t comprehend it. There has to be something missing in the lives of the people who are so over the top in love with him.
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Post by tristramshandy on May 31, 2024 14:44:43 GMT
Just be glad you aren't one of the millions of people who will have to justify to themselves the concept of voting for a convicted felon. In all likelihood he won't see prison time, so this conviction does nothing but raise the cynical comedy levels even higher than they already were regarding this clown. Yeah, I was texting with my college friends and said that this ultimately just becomes something else on his Wikipedia page. As for the election, I don't think this changes a thing. Whose vote will have changed? A hush money conviction will be the straw that breaks the camel's back? NOW he's unelectable?? In November, if he can still be on the ballot (I'm betting he will), the price of an Egg McMuffin will have a bigger role in who the next president is than 34 guilty verdicts.
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Post by Horselover Fat on May 31, 2024 15:09:36 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 31, 2024 16:44:18 GMT
And now the sycophants are out in full force seeing who can kiss his ass the most on TV, presumably, to beg to be his VP, and thus vie to commit treason or be targeted for hanging by his mob. What a sad state. Let's say Trump loses the election (and he could very well win, there's no reason to dance around that). where does the GOP go from here? I think they run him again in 2028. Hell, they'll run him in 2032 if he's still kicking. That isn't a political party anymore, it's a cult. They have no values, they stand for nothing, their platform is "FUCK YOU!!!" None of the old rules of politics have applied since 2016. I don't know where they go from here. The scary part is, neither do they. Here they are lining up to defend a convicted felon, attacking yet another bedrock of American democracy, the justice system. "We love America. We're patriots." Until the rules work against them (i.e., elections, criminal trials), then they want to tear the whole thing down. Because who wants to live in a world where women can get abortions and gay characters appear in Disney movies? The only thing I can disagree with is that the GOP is not going to become a cult if they run him again and again, it's been a cult for a while now. The only question is how many politicians are actual members and how many are just opportunists pretending, and what will that mean going forward?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on May 31, 2024 18:48:05 GMT
Let's say Trump loses the election (and he could very well win, there's no reason to dance around that). where does the GOP go from here? I think they run him again in 2028. Hell, they'll run him in 2032 if he's still kicking. That isn't a political party anymore, it's a cult. They have no values, they stand for nothing, their platform is "FUCK YOU!!!" None of the old rules of politics have applied since 2016. I don't know where they go from here. The scary part is, neither do they. Here they are lining up to defend a convicted felon, attacking yet another bedrock of American democracy, the justice system. "We love America. We're patriots." Until the rules work against them (i.e., elections, criminal trials), then they want to tear the whole thing down. Because who wants to live in a world where women can get abortions and gay characters appear in Disney movies? The only thing I can disagree with is that the GOP is not going to become a cult if they run him again and again, it's been a cult for a while now. The only question is how many politicians are actual members and how many are just opportunists pretending, and what will that mean going forward? Is there a practical difference though between liking Trump and pretending to like Trump?
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