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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 31, 2024 19:26:28 GMT
The only thing I can disagree with is that the GOP is not going to become a cult if they run him again and again, it's been a cult for a while now. The only question is how many politicians are actual members and how many are just opportunists pretending, and what will that mean going forward? Is there a practical difference though between liking Trump and pretending to like Trump? Theoretically it means once he's gone, they can try to steer the party back towards some kind of normalcy. If they've been legitimately brainwashed, that party is lost forever. |
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Post by Shane Falco on May 31, 2024 21:57:38 GMT
Is there a practical difference though between liking Trump and pretending to like Trump? Theoretically it means once he's gone, they can try to steer the party back towards some kind of normalcy. If they've been legitimately brainwashed, that party is lost forever. I think the party is lost forever. As long as the Trump name remains a candidate then I think they will continue to pander. Even when Donald doesn't run again what is to stop any of his kids to run or people he has endorsed? They're just going to continue this self made construct of fraud and when they don't win they'll say they did anyway and the poorly educated that they love so much will continue to eat up everything Fox News tells them. These stupid people can be so easily manipulated that they either don't realize it or don't care. They get so tired of being called idiots and stupid that they double down on their precious Trump. Jim Cornette a former WWF/E and NWA manager and wrestling promoter once brilliantly said "if you don't want to be called an idiot, than quit doing idiotic things." These people don't have the brain cells to realize how dumb they are. They remind me of those D.A.R.E commercials with the egg frying comparing your brain on drugs. It is exactly why its a cult now because of these blind followers. They would rather "win" and turn the USA into nazi Germany as long as it meant they "won" in order to fulfill this need of superiority. It is an "us vs them" mentality now and all they care about is winning no matter the cost. Its why Trump could be convicted of any and every crime imaginable yet he wouldn't lose any of his followers. I've never had problems with Republicans, I don't agree with what they value but I've never hated them. MAGA's are not Republicans and I truly believe they are beyond being cleared of the brainwashing. I dont see how that party can ever recover. Maybe they separate themselves into a new party but that would likely be an instant loss for any candidate. |
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Post by tristramshandy on Jun 1, 2024 0:08:33 GMT
Theoretically it means once he's gone, they can try to steer the party back towards some kind of normalcy. If they've been legitimately brainwashed, that party is lost forever. I've never had problems with Republicans, I don't agree with what they value but I've never hated them. MAGA's are not Republicans and I truly believe they are beyond being cleared of the brainwashing. I dont see how that party can ever recover. Maybe they separate themselves into a new party but that would likely be an instant loss for any candidate. I grew up in an area where the ratio of Republican to Democrat was at least 2-to-1. The death of steel working/manufacturing had the Democrat side fizzle out, so I definitely was going to have a lot of friends in school that I didn't agree with politically. But like you, I didn't hate them. The divide wasn't that great back then. I tell my students about 1984 and how Reagan won 49 states. We talk about unbreakable sports records here a lot - - having a pitcher throw 20 complete games in a season seems more likely than a candidate taking 49 states in any election going forward. There are still Republican holdouts out there. MAGAs would consider them RINOs to the nth degree, but the Buckley Republicans do still exist and not all of them are senior citizens. I read articles from Commentary from time to time - - that group of Republicans despises Trump. But you're right, MAGAs are not true Republicans. But is Trump 1 of 1? DeSantis really fizzled, and people like Taylor-Greene and Gaetz have zero chance of rallying that group. Could someone like Joe Rogan be the heir in waiting? |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 1, 2024 1:04:14 GMT
I've never had problems with Republicans, I don't agree with what they value but I've never hated them. MAGA's are not Republicans and I truly believe they are beyond being cleared of the brainwashing. I dont see how that party can ever recover. Maybe they separate themselves into a new party but that would likely be an instant loss for any candidate. I grew up in an area where the ratio of Republican to Democrat was at least 2-to-1. The death of steel working/manufacturing had the Democrat side fizzle out, so I definitely was going to have a lot of friends in school that I didn't agree with politically. But like you, I didn't hate them. The divide wasn't that great back then. I tell my students about 1984 and how Reagan won 49 states. We talk about unbreakable sports records here a lot - - having a pitcher throw 20 complete games in a season seems more likely than a candidate taking 49 states in any election going forward. There are still Republican holdouts out there. MAGAs would consider them RINOs to the nth degree, but the Buckley Republicans do still exist and not all of them are senior citizens. I read articles from Commentary from time to time - - that group of Republicans despises Trump. But you're right, MAGAs are not true Republicans. But is Trump 1 of 1? DeSantis really fizzled, and people like Taylor-Greene and Gaetz have zero chance of rallying that group. Could someone like Joe Rogan be the heir in waiting? 100% with you guys on this one. Fun fact, I'm a registered Republican! And I'd sooner set myself on fire than support any of these MAGA fucks who are more interested in "owning the libs" then they are anything else. Their entire platform is support Trump at all costs, because failure to do so means the end of your political career. Just look at what happened to Larry Hogan yesterday when he said that we need to respect the verdict (the Trump campaign publicly said it was the end of his Senatorial campaign). These are the people who scream about cancel culture. It's insane how people can't see through that. I do think that when Trump dies, none of them have the charisma (just for lack of a better word) to carry the torch. Trump, for all his bullshit, is a genius when it comes to selling a narrative to his followers. Things like Drain the Swamp, Lock Her Up, Everything is Rigged (literally every election he has participated in has been "rigged" according to him, until he wins). Those are easily digestible, easy to remember slogans that carry a certain amount of significance to people when they hear it. It identifies a problem, be it real or imaginary, and says who to blame for it. That's how you get votes. That's the mistake the Dems consistently make with him, and his sycophants. They think that if they get up on stage and talk about the positive effects of the legislation they have passed, that people on the fence will vote for them. Bullshit. Getting up there and talking about how infrastructure spending is working and has shown demonstrative improvements to our highways, urban revitalization projects, across the board healthcare infrastructure improvements, then they're golden. But then Trump gets up there and says "The Radical Left Hates America and You" and that's all people hear. Look no further than the crazy lies that the Republicans tell about immigration; if you even try to say that the crime rates amongst illegal immigrants is dwarfed by crime rates among US citizens, the person you're talking to may actually shoot you (ironically). Not that Democrats have been perfect with their handling of immigration, but the narrative coming out of the right wing echo chamber is a combination of insane and sad on this front, and completely counter-productive. When he's gone, deSantis, MTG and Matt Gaetz etc. just don't have the ability to rally people the same way and the way in which deSantis totally flamed out is evidence of that. Hopefully they don't erode our democratic institutions to the point of no return, such that when sanity returns to the party, we can all move forward as something resembling a cohesive unit. I'll continue to hold out hope, even if it's a fool's hope. |
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Post by SportsFan19 on Jun 1, 2024 13:46:02 GMT
So a convicted felon is still eligible to run for president of the US of A... and I am not because I was born slightly east of Maine?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 1, 2024 18:07:50 GMT
So a convicted felon is still eligible to run for president of the US of A... and I am not because I was born slightly east of Maine? And he's likely not able to vote.. but able to run. Makes loads of sense. |
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Post by Shane Falco on Jun 1, 2024 21:29:16 GMT
I grew up in an area where the ratio of Republican to Democrat was at least 2-to-1. The death of steel working/manufacturing had the Democrat side fizzle out, so I definitely was going to have a lot of friends in school that I didn't agree with politically. But like you, I didn't hate them. The divide wasn't that great back then. I tell my students about 1984 and how Reagan won 49 states. We talk about unbreakable sports records here a lot - - having a pitcher throw 20 complete games in a season seems more likely than a candidate taking 49 states in any election going forward. There are still Republican holdouts out there. MAGAs would consider them RINOs to the nth degree, but the Buckley Republicans do still exist and not all of them are senior citizens. I read articles from Commentary from time to time - - that group of Republicans despises Trump. But you're right, MAGAs are not true Republicans. But is Trump 1 of 1? DeSantis really fizzled, and people like Taylor-Greene and Gaetz have zero chance of rallying that group. Could someone like Joe Rogan be the heir in waiting? 100% with you guys on this one. Fun fact, I'm a registered Republican! And I'd sooner set myself on fire than support any of these MAGA fucks who are more interested in "owning the libs" then they are anything else. Their entire platform is support Trump at all costs, because failure to do so means the end of your political career. Just look at what happened to Larry Hogan yesterday when he said that we need to respect the verdict (the Trump campaign publicly said it was the end of his Senatorial campaign). These are the people who scream about cancel culture. It's insane how people can't see through that. I do think that when Trump dies, none of them have the charisma (just for lack of a better word) to carry the torch. Trump, for all his bullshit, is a genius when it comes to selling a narrative to his followers. Things like Drain the Swamp, Lock Her Up, Everything is Rigged (literally every election he has participated in has been "rigged" according to him, until he wins). Those are easily digestible, easy to remember slogans that carry a certain amount of significance to people when they hear it. It identifies a problem, be it real or imaginary, and says who to blame for it. That's how you get votes. That's the mistake the Dems consistently make with him, and his sycophants. They think that if they get up on stage and talk about the positive effects of the legislation they have passed, that people on the fence will vote for them. Bullshit. Getting up there and talking about how infrastructure spending is working and has shown demonstrative improvements to our highways, urban revitalization projects, across the board healthcare infrastructure improvements, then they're golden. But then Trump gets up there and says "The Radical Left Hates America and You" and that's all people hear. Look no further than the crazy lies that the Republicans tell about immigration; if you even try to say that the crime rates amongst illegal immigrants is dwarfed by crime rates among US citizens, the person you're talking to may actually shoot you (ironically). Not that Democrats have been perfect with their handling of immigration, but the narrative coming out of the right wing echo chamber is a combination of insane and sad on this front, and completely counter-productive. When he's gone, deSantis, MTG and Matt Gaetz etc. just don't have the ability to rally people the same way and the way in which deSantis totally flamed out is evidence of that. Hopefully they don't erode our democratic institutions to the point of no return, such that when sanity returns to the party, we can all move forward as something resembling a cohesive unit. I'll continue to hold out hope, even if it's a fool's hope. There is a famous quote that I always think about in regards to Trumps rally speeches and its something like "give people somebody to look down on and they'll support you". You could be in the poorest of the population but as long as Trump tells you you're better than some immigrants you'll happily vote for him despite that he will increase your taxes to keep you poor. He creates an enemy for people to oppose which is scary. Thinking back to 9/11 how the nation rallied together and stood behind Bush despite his unpopularity. I think if that were to happen today it would make the divide in our country worse as Trump and his supporters would blame it on the Democrats and possibly further the idea of another civil war. |
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 28, 2024 10:46:35 GMT
That debate didn’t inspire much in the way of hope.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 28, 2024 12:02:59 GMT
That debate didn’t inspire much in the way of hope. This country is fucked. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 28, 2024 15:08:41 GMT
That debate didn’t inspire much in the way of hope. This country is fucked. This would be the perfect year for some weird 3rd party candidate like Jesse Ventura or some fringe Howard Stern entourage freak to run. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 28, 2024 15:47:48 GMT
This would be the perfect year for some weird 3rd party candidate like Jesse Ventura or some fringe Howard Stern entourage freak to run. One of them tried, but the worms that ate his brain didn't amount to enough poll numbers. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jun 28, 2024 15:59:42 GMT
This would be the perfect year for some weird 3rd party candidate like Jesse Ventura or some fringe Howard Stern entourage freak to run. One of them tried, but the worms that ate his brain didn't amount to enough poll numbers. I think he’s too fringe even for this election cycle. God I hate American politics. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Jun 29, 2024 3:55:22 GMT
Maybe my daughter will eventually be any to vote in a ranked voting system. Until then, we are, indeed, fucked.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 29, 2024 12:20:05 GMT
One of them tried, but the worms that ate his brain didn't amount to enough poll numbers. I think he’s too fringe even for this election cycle. God I hate American politics. Apparently he is. Only a whacko like him can make a splash as a third party candidate though. No reasonable centrist has made any waves. |
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Post by Horselover Fat on Jul 4, 2024 9:03:54 GMT
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Post by Horselover Fat on Jul 17, 2024 17:46:40 GMT
Another "Does he last the week?" moment for Biden with things beginning to snowball today. www.mediaite.com/news/one-hour-before-trump-shooting-biden-held-a-disastrous-zoom-call-that-rattled-moderate-democrats/- President Joe Biden exacerbated fears over his ability to run his campaign by “rambling” through a disastrous Zoom call with moderate Hill Democrats that took place less than an hour before the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump on Saturday. Biden reportedly would lose his train of thought and give disjointed responses to questions in call sources said was “even worse than the debate.” www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-devastating-new-poll-finds-nearly-two-thirds-of-democrats-want-biden-to-drop-out/- A devastating new poll from the Associated Press and National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago (NORC) released on Wednesday found that nearly two-thirds of Democrats want President Joe Biden to drop out of the 2024 presidential race. According to the survey of 1,253 adults — conducted July 11-15 — 70 percent of Americans and 65% of Democrats believe Biden should withdraw from the race and allow his party to pick a new nominee to face off against former Donald Trump this fall. www.mediaite.com/news/breaking-adam-schiff-calls-on-biden-to-drop-out/- Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the prominent House Democrat running for Senate in California, publicly called on President Joe Biden to suspend his reelection campaign and allow another Democrat to top their party’s ticket Wednesday. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jul 17, 2024 18:20:35 GMT
'Media' is a plural of 'medium.' It's just a collection of different people and different avenues of information. It's not some grand entity that chooses anything in particular, much less who is a presidential candidate. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 17, 2024 19:52:53 GMT
Another "Does he last the week?" moment for Biden with things beginning to snowball today. www.mediaite.com/news/one-hour-before-trump-shooting-biden-held-a-disastrous-zoom-call-that-rattled-moderate-democrats/- President Joe Biden exacerbated fears over his ability to run his campaign by “rambling” through a disastrous Zoom call with moderate Hill Democrats that took place less than an hour before the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump on Saturday. Biden reportedly would lose his train of thought and give disjointed responses to questions in call sources said was “even worse than the debate.” www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-devastating-new-poll-finds-nearly-two-thirds-of-democrats-want-biden-to-drop-out/- A devastating new poll from the Associated Press and National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago (NORC) released on Wednesday found that nearly two-thirds of Democrats want President Joe Biden to drop out of the 2024 presidential race. According to the survey of 1,253 adults — conducted July 11-15 — 70 percent of Americans and 65% of Democrats believe Biden should withdraw from the race and allow his party to pick a new nominee to face off against former Donald Trump this fall. www.mediaite.com/news/breaking-adam-schiff-calls-on-biden-to-drop-out/- Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the prominent House Democrat running for Senate in California, publicly called on President Joe Biden to suspend his reelection campaign and allow another Democrat to top their party’s ticket Wednesday. If I had to guess, if Biden is going to step down, they'll do it after the RNC but before the DNC. Right now, everything is going Trump's way (from the now-famous photo of his fist bump, to the absolutely ridiculous dismissal of his very serious documents case by his hand-picked judge, to the typical convention bump that every candidate gets). According to Sun Tzu, you don't try to fight your opponent when they're at their strongest; rather, you plan and when they start to falter or when that strength wanes, that's when you strike. Replacing Biden will cause a stir and given Biden's dismal approval ratings right now, swapping in someone else like Gavin Newsome will only cause an uptick and cause the Democrats to regain some ground. May as well capitalize on that once this Republican surge starts to subside (and it will). Doing it now will only give the Rs more fodder for them to talk about this week. |
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Post by Horselover Fat on Jul 21, 2024 17:55:31 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jul 21, 2024 18:18:22 GMT
Another "Does he last the week?" moment for Biden with things beginning to snowball today. www.mediaite.com/news/one-hour-before-trump-shooting-biden-held-a-disastrous-zoom-call-that-rattled-moderate-democrats/- President Joe Biden exacerbated fears over his ability to run his campaign by “rambling” through a disastrous Zoom call with moderate Hill Democrats that took place less than an hour before the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump on Saturday. Biden reportedly would lose his train of thought and give disjointed responses to questions in call sources said was “even worse than the debate.” www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-devastating-new-poll-finds-nearly-two-thirds-of-democrats-want-biden-to-drop-out/- A devastating new poll from the Associated Press and National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago (NORC) released on Wednesday found that nearly two-thirds of Democrats want President Joe Biden to drop out of the 2024 presidential race. According to the survey of 1,253 adults — conducted July 11-15 — 70 percent of Americans and 65% of Democrats believe Biden should withdraw from the race and allow his party to pick a new nominee to face off against former Donald Trump this fall. www.mediaite.com/news/breaking-adam-schiff-calls-on-biden-to-drop-out/- Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the prominent House Democrat running for Senate in California, publicly called on President Joe Biden to suspend his reelection campaign and allow another Democrat to top their party’s ticket Wednesday. If I had to guess, if Biden is going to step down, they'll do it after the RNC but before the DNC. Right now, everything is going Trump's way (from the now-famous photo of his fist bump, to the absolutely ridiculous dismissal of his very serious documents case by his hand-picked judge, to the typical convention bump that every candidate gets). According to Sun Tzu, you don't try to fight your opponent when they're at their strongest; rather, you plan and when they start to falter or when that strength wanes, that's when you strike. Replacing Biden will cause a stir and given Biden's dismal approval ratings right now, swapping in someone else like Gavin Newsome will only cause an uptick and cause the Democrats to regain some ground. May as well capitalize on that once this Republican surge starts to subside (and it will). Doing it now will only give the Rs more fodder for them to talk about this week. I guess you had it right. |
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