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Post by Marv on Jun 16, 2024 17:55:37 GMT
Playing devils advocate a bit but....the conception of the twins in the show doesn't clearly ruin the legacy of anakin skywalker. They never tell us exactly how they came to be. For all we know theyre just test tube babies. Have we established in this fictional universe with magic and aliens that fire in space is unachievable?
We've established in this fictional universe with magic and aliens that a crushed neck will still kill you.
Sure…but lightsaber lethality is still in question.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 16, 2024 21:42:05 GMT
In regards to the force birth thing, i never got the impression that Anakin was the only one to be conceived through the force.
Force user in the old canon did some crazy shit, one was basically the Star Wars Galacticus because he used the force to drain planets of its life force.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 17, 2024 1:38:54 GMT
I’m curious to hear from someone who’s actually watched it. I just don’t want to be the one that has to do it 😂. It’s obviously being overly hated by fans for political reasons. Warranted or not, I wonder if there’s anyone that likes this so far? Genuinely curious.
Well not merely political reasons. It's also being hated because it undermines Anakin Skywalker's entire existence. Also the writers can't figure out there's no fire in space.
Unlike sound, right?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 17, 2024 3:20:15 GMT
Well not merely political reasons. It's also being hated because it undermines Anakin Skywalker's entire existence. Also the writers can't figure out there's no fire in space.
Unlike sound, right? Sound is in there for obvious reasons. The movie/theatrical experience is dependent on the audiovisual experience. If you cut sound in space then what are you going to do to stimulate the audience when action is occurring? Throw in some hyper-detailed subtitles? It just goes to show how underrated (or taken for granted) the sound experience is in movies and tv shows. It’s ridiculous to think that they would even attempt to portray sound accurately in space!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 17, 2024 3:24:27 GMT
Well not merely political reasons. It's also being hated because it undermines Anakin Skywalker's entire existence. Also the writers can't figure out there's no fire in space.
Playing devils advocate a bit but....the conception of the twins in the show doesn't clearly ruin the legacy of anakin skywalker. They never tell us exactly how they came to be. For all we know theyre just test tube babies. Have we established in this fictional universe with magic and aliens that fire in space is unachievable? It’s not magical fire and the spacecraft are not powered by magic. To quote a line from another legendary sci-fi franchise… “Context is king.”
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 17, 2024 3:41:18 GMT
Sound is in there for obvious reasons. The movie/theatrical experience is dependent on the audiovisual experience. If you cut sound in space then what are you going to do to stimulate the audience when action is occurring? Throw in some hyper-detailed subtitles? It just goes to show how underrated (or taken for granted) the sound experience is in movies and tv shows. It’s ridiculous to think that they would even attempt to portray sound accurately in space!Expert bait and switch, but I obviously wasn't criticizing the fact that there's sound in space in Star Wars, I was criticizing the hypocrisy in the argument that the realities of space sudden matter now. Lucas himself said "In my world, there's air in outer space, when I want it."
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 17, 2024 4:23:33 GMT
Sound is in there for obvious reasons. The movie/theatrical experience is dependent on the audiovisual experience. If you cut sound in space then what are you going to do to stimulate the audience when action is occurring? Throw in some hyper-detailed subtitles? It just goes to show how underrated (or taken for granted) the sound experience is in movies and tv shows. It’s ridiculous to think that they would even attempt to portray sound accurately in space!Expert bait and switch, but I obviously wasn't criticizing the fact that there's sound in space in Star Wars, I was criticizing the hypocrisy in the argument that the realities of space sudden matter now. Lucas himself said "In my world, there's air in outer space, when I want it." I admit it is a nitpick. But an inaccurate portrayal of sound is a little more of a necessity than an inaccurate portrayal of fire. But I digress.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 17, 2024 4:35:50 GMT
The dumbest remark is when one says Disney ruined Star Wars. How quickly the prequel hate is forgotten.
Plus everything blamed on Kennedy when she was picked by Lucas.
And Star Wars wokeness.
Let's see...
The richest man in the galaxy is black. He has a remote control lobotomized white servant The rebellion (by Return of the Jedi) is obviously a matriarchy. The Empire is entirely male and pale (the Emperor seemed an alien in ROTJ and then we learn nope--just another old white dude).
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 17, 2024 5:50:56 GMT
The dumbest remark is when one says Disney ruined Star Wars. How quickly the prequel hate is forgotten.Plus everything blamed on Kennedy when she was picked by Lucas. And Star Wars wokeness. Let's see... The richest man in the galaxy is black. He has a remote control lobotomized white servant The rebellion (by Return of the Jedi) is obviously a matriarchy. The Empire is entirely male and pale (the Emperor seemed an alien in ROTJ and then we learn nope--just another old white dude).
It's not forgotten. As Highlander: The Source out-worsted Highlander: The Quickening, Kathleen Kennedy proved Jar Jar Binks was actually NOT the worst thing that could ever be put in Star Wars.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 17, 2024 6:07:46 GMT
The dumbest remark is when one says Disney ruined Star Wars. How quickly the prequel hate is forgotten. (1)Plus everything blamed on Kennedy when she was picked by Lucas. (2)And Star Wars wokeness. Let's see... The richest man in the galaxy is black. (3)He has a remote control lobotomized white servant The rebellion (by Return of the Jedi) is obviously a matriarchy. (4) The Empire is entirely male and pale (the Emperor seemed an alien in ROTJ and then we learn nope--just another old white dude). (5)(1) Never agreed with the prequel hate and always thought it was somewhat misguided, unwarranted, and exaggerated. (2) She was picked by Lucas because she lied about her intentions in the future direction of Star Wars. Why do you think Kennedy and Lucas got into that infamous argument when his story treatments and script drafts were rejected for the sequel trilogy? (3) There was never any indication that Lando was the richest man in the galaxy. Just a successful independent businessman at the timeframe of ESB. If he were the richest man in the galaxy (or somewhere on that level) then his mining operation on Bespin would’ve never gone undetected by the Empire as long as it did. (4) A semi-matriarchy at best. Leia is a lone figure of royalty among the galaxy who inserted leadership to the Rebellion. All of her military leadership is entirely male. Compare that to TFA where they copied that (along with a lot of other stuff from ANH). Then in TLJ all of the leadership under Leia was entirely replaced by females (inexplicably) since there was no timelapse between the end of TFA and TLJ. There’s nothing organic about that. Not even in speculation. (5) How is the Empire being entirely male, woke? It isn’t. We didn’t know what the emperor was - whether he was an alien or a deformed male human. And how is the ruler of the entire galaxy being a white man, woke? So in comparison, if we are talking about “wokeness” it’s easy to see that that Disney SW is in a much more aligned category than the other two trilogies.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 17, 2024 12:20:32 GMT
The dumbest remark is when one says Disney ruined Star Wars. How quickly the prequel hate is forgotten. (1)Plus everything blamed on Kennedy when she was picked by Lucas. (2)And Star Wars wokeness. Let's see... The richest man in the galaxy is black. (3)He has a remote control lobotomized white servant The rebellion (by Return of the Jedi) is obviously a matriarchy. (4) The Empire is entirely male and pale (the Emperor seemed an alien in ROTJ and then we learn nope--just another old white dude). (5)(1) Never agreed with the prequel hate and always thought it was somewhat misguided, unwarranted, and exaggerated. (2) She was picked by Lucas because she lied about her intentions in the future direction of Star Wars. Why do you think Kennedy and Lucas got into that infamous argument when his story treatments and script drafts were rejected for the sequel trilogy? (3) There was never any indication that Lando was the richest man in the galaxy. Just a successful independent businessman at the timeframe of ESB. If he were the richest man in the galaxy (or somewhere on that level) then his mining operation on Bespin would’ve never gone undetected by the Empire as long as it did. (4) A semi-matriarchy at best. Leia is a lone figure of royalty among the galaxy who inserted leadership to the Rebellion. All of her military leadership is entirely male. Compare that to TFA where they copied that (along with a lot of other stuff from ANH). Then in TLJ all of the leadership under Leia was entirely replaced by females (inexplicably) since there was no timelapse between the end of TFA and TLJ. There’s nothing organic about that. Not even in speculation. (5) How is the Empire being entirely male, woke? It isn’t. We didn’t know what the emperor was - whether he was an alien or a deformed male human. And how is the ruler of the entire galaxy being a white man, woke? So in comparison, if we are talking about “wokeness” it’s easy to see that that Disney SW is in a much more aligned category than the other two trilogies. I think he's referring to Mon Mothma, who appeared to be the de facto leader in RotJ. It is interesting that not only would the new main character of Lucas' sequel trilogy have been a girl also, but that it would have been retconned that Leia (and not Anakin or Luke) was the chosen one all along. If Lucas and KK bumped heads, it wasn't over feminist issues (it was probably more the Osmosis Jones midichlorian stuff, I reckon).
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 17, 2024 16:57:05 GMT
(1) Never agreed with the prequel hate and always thought it was somewhat misguided, unwarranted, and exaggerated. (2) She was picked by Lucas because she lied about her intentions in the future direction of Star Wars. Why do you think Kennedy and Lucas got into that infamous argument when his story treatments and script drafts were rejected for the sequel trilogy? (3) There was never any indication that Lando was the richest man in the galaxy. Just a successful independent businessman at the timeframe of ESB. If he were the richest man in the galaxy (or somewhere on that level) then his mining operation on Bespin would’ve never gone undetected by the Empire as long as it did. (4) A semi-matriarchy at best. Leia is a lone figure of royalty among the galaxy who inserted leadership to the Rebellion. All of her military leadership is entirely male. Compare that to TFA where they copied that (along with a lot of other stuff from ANH). Then in TLJ all of the leadership under Leia was entirely replaced by females (inexplicably) since there was no timelapse between the end of TFA and TLJ. There’s nothing organic about that. Not even in speculation. (5) How is the Empire being entirely male, woke? It isn’t. We didn’t know what the emperor was - whether he was an alien or a deformed male human. And how is the ruler of the entire galaxy being a white man, woke? So in comparison, if we are talking about “wokeness” it’s easy to see that that Disney SW is in a much more aligned category than the other two trilogies. 1) Yoda kung fu 2) She isn't in charge--Iger is. What involvement does she have with the wokeness of Pirates of Caribbean 4 or Marvel? Zero. And yet it follows the same ideology. And Lucas was still the one who picked her allegedly. 3)He was the richest man we see in the series.
4)Mon Motha was the leader of the rebellion. 5)Not having any evil women or diversity-I suppose Greedo is diverse but he was just trying to protect himself from a maniac who shoots people under tables when they don't pay their debts. It was pretty reasonable to tell Han that Jabba might be ok with taking his ship to pay off his debt--which BTW is entirely Han's fault because when you hire someone as a smuggler-the point is that they are doing something illegal. Han dropped his shipment when the cops showed up--WTF kind of smuggling skill is that? "Oh Han is such a cool character." By what standards?
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Post by novastar6 on Jun 17, 2024 17:49:21 GMT
The dumbest remark is when one says Disney ruined Star Wars. How quickly the prequel hate is forgotten. (1)Plus everything blamed on Kennedy when she was picked by Lucas. (2)And Star Wars wokeness. Let's see... The richest man in the galaxy is black. (3)He has a remote control lobotomized white servant The rebellion (by Return of the Jedi) is obviously a matriarchy. (4) The Empire is entirely male and pale (the Emperor seemed an alien in ROTJ and then we learn nope--just another old white dude). (5)(1) Never agreed with the prequel hate and always thought it was somewhat misguided, unwarranted, and exaggerated. (2) She was picked by Lucas because she lied about her intentions in the future direction of Star Wars. Why do you think Kennedy and Lucas got into that infamous argument when his story treatments and script drafts were rejected for the sequel trilogy? (3) There was never any indication that Lando was the richest man in the galaxy. Just a successful independent businessman at the timeframe of ESB. If he were the richest man in the galaxy (or somewhere on that level) then his mining operation on Bespin would’ve never gone undetected by the Empire as long as it did. (4) A semi-matriarchy at best. Leia is a lone figure of royalty among the galaxy who inserted leadership to the Rebellion. All of her military leadership is entirely male. Compare that to TFA where they copied that (along with a lot of other stuff from ANH). Then in TLJ all of the leadership under Leia was entirely replaced by females (inexplicably) since there was no timelapse between the end of TFA and TLJ. There’s nothing organic about that. Not even in speculation. (5) How is the Empire being entirely male, woke? It isn’t. We didn’t know what the emperor was - whether he was an alien or a deformed male human. And how is the ruler of the entire galaxy being a white man, woke? So in comparison, if we are talking about “wokeness” it’s easy to see that that Disney SW is in a much more aligned category than the other two trilogies.
Ironically one of the things that makes the original SW really anti-woke is there are no minority Imperials, they all kind of look alike similar to their real life counterparts from the 1940s. First woke meant ya gotta include EVERYBODY, gotta have Asian Imperials and fat Rebels, etc., but NOW wokeness is to a point some projects won't even audition minorities to play villains, they ALL gotta be white cuz 'whitey evil! White men racist!' 'POC = HEROES AND SAVIORS!'
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 17, 2024 19:55:38 GMT
(1) Never agreed with the prequel hate and always thought it was somewhat misguided, unwarranted, and exaggerated. (2) She was picked by Lucas because she lied about her intentions in the future direction of Star Wars. Why do you think Kennedy and Lucas got into that infamous argument when his story treatments and script drafts were rejected for the sequel trilogy? (3) There was never any indication that Lando was the richest man in the galaxy. Just a successful independent businessman at the timeframe of ESB. If he were the richest man in the galaxy (or somewhere on that level) then his mining operation on Bespin would’ve never gone undetected by the Empire as long as it did. (4) A semi-matriarchy at best. Leia is a lone figure of royalty among the galaxy who inserted leadership to the Rebellion. All of her military leadership is entirely male. Compare that to TFA where they copied that (along with a lot of other stuff from ANH). Then in TLJ all of the leadership under Leia was entirely replaced by females (inexplicably) since there was no timelapse between the end of TFA and TLJ. There’s nothing organic about that. Not even in speculation. (5) How is the Empire being entirely male, woke? It isn’t. We didn’t know what the emperor was - whether he was an alien or a deformed male human. And how is the ruler of the entire galaxy being a white man, woke? So in comparison, if we are talking about “wokeness” it’s easy to see that that Disney SW is in a much more aligned category than the other two trilogies. 1) Yoda kung fu 2) She isn't in charge--Iger is. What involvement does she have with the wokeness of Pirates of Caribbean 4 or Marvel? Zero. And yet it follows the same ideology. And Lucas was still the one who picked her allegedly. 3)He was the richest man we see in the series.
4)Mon Motha was the leader of the rebellion. 5)Not having any evil women or diversity-I suppose Greedo is diverse but he was just trying to protect himself from a maniac who shoots people under tables when they don't pay their debts. It was pretty reasonable to tell Han that Jabba might be ok with taking his ship to pay off his debt--which BTW is entirely Han's fault because when you hire someone as a smuggler-the point is that they are doing something illegal. Han dropped his shipment when the cops showed up--WTF kind of smuggling skill is that? "Oh Han is such a cool character." By what standards?
Not having any diversity at all was the real issue back then, wasn't it? Anyway, Lando was a morally ambiguous businessman whose personal wealth, as with any SW character, is up for debate. Is he richer than the characters behind the trade federation ballyhoo, or the political leaders/monarchies of various planets (Naboo, Alderaan, etc.), or even the Hutts? I've always wondered about Jabba's net worth. He has his own palace, a personal army and fleet of vehicles; and he pays his bounty hunters so well, they feel entitled to mouth off to Darth Fucking Vader. In theory, the Emperor has to be the richest man in the galaxy by the end, doesn't he? The wealth of the entire Empire is at his disposal. (For fun, I just google searched 'Richest characters in Star Wars.' Of course this stuff is all fan generated, but the first two links I read-- one listed 9, the other 5-- and neither mentioned Lando at all.) Remind me, what was the 'wokeness' of Pirates 4? That it featured a competent female character? That movie came out in 2011, how far back does the 'woke' movement go, in your mind? Because I'm sure we can find some sassy female characters going back over a hundred years now. Two prominent villains in recent MCU movies (The High Evolutionary and Kang the Conqueror) were both portrayed by black actors, and Kang's second in command, and the primary antagonist of Loki season 2, was a black woman. In The Mandalorian, Moff Gideon was portrayed by Giancarlo Esposito. The Kenobi show features an Asian actor and a black woman as villains, though by the end the woman was conflicted, so I guess you've got that to hang your hat on. Andor also features a female Imperial officer as a central character. (If you're not watching this stuff that's fine, but you really should update your files if you're going to keep complaining about the same things over and over again.) As far as The Acolyte goes, I've only seen one episode so far, so I don't know what to make of it yet. Perhaps it will be deserving of your criticism, but your commentary on these other properties seems pretty far from reality.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 17, 2024 20:37:00 GMT
Not having any diversity at all was the real issue back then, wasn't it? Anyway, Lando was a morally ambiguous businessman whose personal wealth, as with any SW character, is up for debate. Is he richer than the characters behind the trade federation ballyhoo, or the political leaders/monarchies of various planets (Naboo, Alderaan, etc.), or even the Hutts? In the 1980s-Lando was the rich guy. There was no one else shown. Not human anyway. The Emperor could be an alien. As for Pirates 4 wokeness--they have a young white guy who is introduced tied to a mast of a ship. He injures a mermaid which leads to all sorts of problems--and he only helps when he is mortally wounded, frees the mermaid, who then drags him underwater to a fate unknown.
Meanwhile the boss man in the show is the Spanish monarch who looks like Obama.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 17, 2024 21:12:38 GMT
Not having any diversity at all was the real issue back then, wasn't it? Anyway, Lando was a morally ambiguous businessman whose personal wealth, as with any SW character, is up for debate. Is he richer than the characters behind the trade federation ballyhoo, or the political leaders/monarchies of various planets (Naboo, Alderaan, etc.), or even the Hutts? In the 1980s-Lando was the rich guy. There was no one else shown. Not human anyway. The Emperor could be an alien. As for Pirates 4 wokeness--they have a young white guy who is introduced tied to a mast of a ship. He injures a mermaid which leads to all sorts of problems--and he only helps when he is mortally wounded, frees the mermaid, who then drags him underwater to a fate unknown.
Meanwhile the boss man in the show is the Spanish monarch who looks like Obama.
Princess Leia is human. Her family wasn't rich? Han is given a substantial reward for her rescue. Stories based on sea legends that are centuries old are woke now. Sure, why not.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 18, 2024 0:56:32 GMT
Princess Leia is human. Her family wasn't rich? Han is given a substantial reward for her rescue. Stories based on sea legends that are centuries old are woke now. Sure, why not. Leia isn't a private enterpriser. The only rich guy we see his black.
Stories based on sea legends don't have to have a weak pale male character on display. Especially not aimed at children. The guy is totally useless--he does nothing of value in the story. Accidental? Of course not. No different than having Sidney's father propped up in a closet in SCREAM (how or why she would drag him into the hallway instead of untying him--I guess Harvey Weinstein is the one to ask).
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 18, 2024 3:56:55 GMT
Princess Leia is human. Her family wasn't rich? Han is given a substantial reward for her rescue. Stories based on sea legends that are centuries old are woke now. Sure, why not. Leia isn't a private enterpriser. The only rich guy we see his black.
Stories based on sea legends don't have to have a weak pale male character on display. Especially not aimed at children. The guy is totally useless--he does nothing of value in the story. Accidental? Of course not. No different than having Sidney's father propped up in a closet in SCREAM (how or why she would drag him into the hallway instead of untying him--I guess Harvey Weinstein is the one to ask).
His exact networth aside, if it's all part of a Jewish Marxist conspiracy, shouldn't Lando being rich be a bad thing?
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 18, 2024 6:00:11 GMT
shouldn't Lando being rich be a bad thing?
It is presented as a bad thing in some sense since he is blamed for going along with Darth Vader for personal interest and Han Solo obviously cares nothing for money since he can't even be bothered to pay off his debts. But at the same time--all the main white males are presented negatively - even Obi Wan Kenobi ends up as a failure and responsible for Vader's existence.
But if you are looking for consistency, how is the promotion of a matriarchy--which then gets replaced by transgenderism, consistent? It starts with antagonism towards white males, and then goes into a disdain for heterosexuality--which certainly has no benefit for women. Thus it has a death cult philosophy since it seeks transformation rather than stability. What happened to "balance to the Force?" That went out the window too.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 19, 2024 4:28:42 GMT
But if you are looking for consistency, how is the promotion of a matriarchy--which then gets replaced by transgenderism, consistent? It starts with antagonism towards white males, and then goes into a disdain for heterosexuality--which certainly has no benefit for women. Thus it has a death cult philosophy since it seeks transformation rather than stability. What happened to "balance to the Force?" That went out the window too. You lost me.
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