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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 22, 2024 16:06:45 GMT
Episode 2: Jaehaerys Funeral. The were leaks of the funeral being filmed. Clare Kilner was present for the filming of the funeral. She confirmed that she was directing episode 2 and 5 this season in an interview. Clare Kilner directed episodes 4 and 9 in season one of HOTD.
The Black Council has a meeting. In the teaser, Rhaenyra is standing up at a table behind her chair and looking towards the camera like in the direction of a messenger. Daemon is at her left. Rhaenys it at her right. Erryk is behind her. Considering when Daemon leaves and when Erryk dies, this has to be towards the beginning of episode 2. It is extremely likely they are learning about the reaction to B&C. Considering Rhaenyra is standing while everyone else is seated, she might have been the last to arrive? Rhaenys seems to be annoyed while Daemon looks like he doesn't care.
In the teaser trailer, Rhaenys is wearing the same outfit she wore in the black council when she gives that speech to Rhaenyra about the war between them. However, Rhaenyra appears to be wearing something else. Considering Rhaenys dies in episode 4, the conversation is very likely to have occurred in this episode or the following one. Given that she denounces war between kin in her speech, it suggests this is directly after news of Blood and Cheese so I think it occurs in episode 2.
The Battle of the Burning Mill
Daemon takes Harrenhal, likely introduction to Alys and Simon.
In a leaked audition tape for Alys Rivers (that you might still be able to find online), she makes mocking comments towards Daemon while treating wounds he gained while taking Harrenhall. She asks him how it feels to take orders from "a girl child you once bounced on your knee."
Introduction to Addam & Alyn
There is a scene of Seasmoke following Addam around like a lost puppy. Laenor's actor will not be returning next season. This is my assumption but it's possible he dies offscreen and Seasmoke begins exhibiting this behavior to show that. The show seems to have changed Addam and Alyn's ages with Alyn's actor being 5+ years older than Addam's actor. They are both older than 25. At the official announcement of his appearance in season 2, Alyn has also been described as a veteran of the war at the gullet that Corlys has returned from. Addam is not described that way, reinforcing he is the younger brother in the show. It appears show Corlys has had a secret family even longer than his book counterpart and kept one of his sons very close at his side. There were leaked images of Addam's actor on a beach looking up and around like he was being followed by something. No other actors were present during this filming.
Cargyll twins duel to the death. In the teaser, it appeared they are fighting in someone's bedroom.
It was leaked that a stunt double will be needed for Emma D'Arcy in this episode. This is likely tied to the Cargyll duel as I can think of no other reason for it.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 23, 2024 17:18:09 GMT
Alternative leak: Aftermath of B&C
Aegon destroys his dads Lego set
Aegon fires Otto and hires Cole
Helaena prophecy scene with bugs and spiders
Addam of Hull intro
Daemon flips out on Rhaenyra, then they kiss and make up
Daemon leaves for riverlands
We meet Hugh’s wife and Daughter
Funeral for Jaehaerys
Aegon and Larys torture Blood
Aemond finds secret passages
Cole sends Arryk to assassinate Rhaenyra
Arryk tries to kill Rhaenyra while sleeping
Erryk makes the save
Erryk and Arryk both die professing their love for one another
Written by Sara Hess, 100% sure George RR Martin ghost wrote Erryk vs Arryk
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Post by Troyal1 on Jun 24, 2024 21:51:59 GMT
I found this one to be even more meh than the last. Season not starting off really strong for me
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 24, 2024 22:22:12 GMT
No cats. Show no good ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/6h2ujupw9/nope.gif)
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Post by Marv on Jun 25, 2024 11:01:45 GMT
It was ok. I kind of hate how equally unlikeable the majority of characters are tho. There are moments where I start to enjoy them and then in the next scene I will find them insufferable.
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Jun 25, 2024 15:26:17 GMT
I don't know why Rhanerya is always so shocked that Daemon would go to such lengths. In the books, wasnt she aware they would attack one of the children?
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Post by Marv on Jun 25, 2024 16:10:13 GMT
I don't know why Rhanerya is always so shocked that Daemon would go to such lengths. In the books, wasnt she aware they would attack one of the children? I don’t quite know. This might be a bridge too far but they’ve always shown Daemon to be a bit reckless and blind to the outside perspective. Rhaenyra was like that in her youth, probably what drew her to Daemon initially…but has shown to have grown up where Daemon largely acts the same when under pressure.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 26, 2024 7:53:53 GMT
In the books, wasnt she aware they would attack one of the children? The book is a historical account collected from three sources. It often knows no plans or intentions, only events, public statements and rumours except when it draws from the court jester's account who throws in all sorts of speculations and salacious tales. The book, however, tells that Daemon was already in the Riverlands when Luke was killed, so there was no impatient waiting for Rhaenyra to return with pieces of him, no demand he could hear from her and no conversation after the fact.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 29, 2024 12:26:08 GMT
I kind of hate how equally unlikeable the majority of characters are tho. There are moments where I start to enjoy them and then in the next scene I will find them insufferable. ![](https://i.imgur.com/KqSVfIZ.jpg)
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 29, 2024 13:33:25 GMT
I found this one to be even more meh than the last. Season not starting off really strong for me ![](https://i.imgur.com/UBZZCMo.jpg)
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Post by Marv on Jun 29, 2024 13:46:16 GMT
I kind of hate how equally unlikeable the majority of characters are tho. There are moments where I start to enjoy them and then in the next scene I will find them insufferable. ![](https://i.imgur.com/KqSVfIZ.jpg) Huh?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 29, 2024 15:40:29 GMT
The show is written for a particular target group. Those outside can only make fun of it.
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Post by Marv on Jun 29, 2024 17:59:40 GMT
The show is written for a particular target group. Those outside can only make fun of it. I wasn’t making fun of it, I was criticizing some of its characterization. And if I’m not the target demographic I really don’t know what is.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 30, 2024 5:22:35 GMT
The show is written for a particular target group. Those outside can only make fun of it. I wasn’t making fun of it, I was criticizing some of its characterization. And if I’m not the target demographic I really don’t know what is. Daenerys fans are the target segment. I'm sure searching YouTube for reaction videos will turn out plenty of happy watchers. I am making fun of the junk.
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Post by Troyal1 on Jun 30, 2024 5:23:58 GMT
I found it hilarious that the twin actually got on a ship from kings landing, made it through all blockades without question (remember how easily the white worm was caught) and nobody even questioned for a moment that this is extremely suspicious? Why would the team black twin be coming on a boat when he’s already there. yeah right
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 30, 2024 6:03:03 GMT
I found it hilarious that the twin actually got on a ship from kings landing, made it through all blockades without question (remember how easily the white worm was caught) and nobody even questioned for a moment that this is extremely suspicious? Why would the team black twin be coming on a boat when he’s already there. That nonsense was "solved by example". They had the other twin (the Black one) do blockade work himself (instead of, well, guarding the queen), so Kingsguards on ships are suddenly a plausible sight, and the Green twin got into the castle by bullying the guard for "a sorry lack of vigilance". You'd think he got through the blockade the same way. As Aegon said, it's brilliant ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/m1dg20al5/biggrin.gif) I call this "the Sansa question" and think the writers do this on purpose: have something blatantly illogical happen to raise debate while providing enough context to allow somewhat plausible answers and never provide a satisfying one. It keeps the debate going forever which makes the Internet buzz that supports the show. The first time I became conscious of this was when Sansa kept information to herself about Littlefinger's army in GoT S6. It made no sense and triggered debates and theories only to be answered with a "sorry, I should have told you" the week after. It didn't matter that Sansa was being portrayed as suddenly clever one episode then dumb as a post in the next or was she being devious? It was all about planting audience reactions. Writers know what they're doing. Fools believe they don't. ![](https://i.imgur.com/aVP9Dgm.jpg)
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 30, 2024 6:20:32 GMT
I don't know why Rhanerya is always so shocked that Daemon would go to such lengths. In the books, wasnt she aware they would attack one of the children? There's no indication she was in on it, and I don't think she'd have signed off in it. At least at that point in the story.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 30, 2024 6:31:01 GMT
and nobody even questioned for a moment that this is extremely suspicious? Similar nonsense occurs later when Blackryk kills Greenryk and then kills himself. Why would he do that? It makes no sense to me at all. Nor did it to GRRM who wrote that both were mortally wounded in the fight, only Blackryk took four days to die of a gut wound cursing his brother. Now that makes sense but GRRM is more of a thinker and TV series are written for feelers, the kind with reptilian brains (they like dragons) and lots of "emoting skills". So I went to reaction videos to see what people spontaneously think of that bit and it's the complete opposite. They shake and cry and immediately "understand" he couldn't bear having to kill his brother. No cursing there. Here's one that says it all (links starts right there, no need to search): There you go. TV doesn't make sense because it doesn't have to.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 30, 2024 6:32:23 GMT
It was ok. I kind of hate how equally unlikeable the majority of characters are tho. There are moments where I start to enjoy them and then in the next scene I will find them insufferable. I know Team Green people who are driven to the brink of insanity by how sympathetic they perceive Rhaenyra to be written. The dance of dragons being a morally grey conflict is supposedly the bread and butter of the story. Though I think it takes a lot of effort, and perhaps sour grapes over Dany and her fandom, to be against Rhaenyra's claim. The two characters I find all around decent on both sides are Luke and Helena, respectively. I find the characters of Daemon, Aegon, and Aemond all entertaining despite being pretty shitty people (and Aemond sympathetic in a way). The only two characters I really can't stand are Larys and Criston Cole. And I suppose Rhaenys is kind of annoying me in her wannabe Olenba Tyrell kinda way.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jun 30, 2024 7:22:50 GMT
Though I think it takes a lot of effort, and perhaps sour grapes over Dany and her fandom, to be against Rhaenyra's claim. Imagine Trump or Biden declaring their daughter or anyone they'd choose would be the next candidate in their stead and people in their party not accepting it. Seriously ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/m1dg20al5/biggrin.gif) I am not following US politics, but I can let US citizens know that the rest of the world views these two blokes as bad jokes in sore need of replacement. Come on, we want new clowns now. There is a good point to be made about a king's word not being law and GRRM's work is pretty consistent about depicting the detrimental results of individual power wielding. Mad King Aerys, Ned Stark, Robb Stark, Renly, Stannis and all the way down to Daenerys are all tyrants causing wars instead of seeking a viable government basis. This is basically the point made by Otto Hightower after he hears his brother tell him it's his job to influence the king to name a new heir in the 3rd episode and after he sees a Lannister express the same expectation to Viserys. Otto is not so much a man with a personal ambition as one who seeks the establishment of a stable political consensus, an alliance convincing enough to deter the rest from going to war. Otto spills ink so as not to spill blood and the "dance" will only start after he is demoted. The real point here is that claims aren't worth warring over.
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