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Post by Nora on Jun 26, 2024 19:05:25 GMT
if you know the director and like his style ull love it. Otherwise maybe not so much. Its a bit less about ennis and more about melodrama, scheming and sexual tension between the 3 main roles.
Very watchable. Great ending!!
7/10 from me.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 27, 2024 23:25:40 GMT
I've seen both Call Me By Your Name and the Suspiria remake and couldn't really connect any commonality in the style or direction.
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Post by pennypacker on Jun 28, 2024 3:54:55 GMT
Loved it. Favourite release of the year so far.
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Post by Nora on Jun 29, 2024 15:04:03 GMT
I've seen both Call Me By Your Name and the Suspiria remake and couldn't really connect any commonality in the style or direction. no? for me it was the: 1. cinematography (the close ups, the dwelling on diff bodyparts, the use of light to enhance physical beauty) 2. the mechanics of unhealthy human relationships, reminded me of both Bigger Splash and Call me By your name which I loved very much.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 29, 2024 20:20:39 GMT
I've seen both Call Me By Your Name and the Suspiria remake and couldn't really connect any commonality in the style or direction. no? for me it was the: 1. cinematography (the close ups, the dwelling on diff bodyparts, the use of light to enhance physical beauty) 2. the mechanics of unhealthy human relationships, reminded me of both Bigger Splash and Call me By your name which I loved very much. Was the point of CMBYN that the relationship was unhealthy? I remember the movie being criticized for that as if it were unaware. A lot of the actual filnige forgotten, save stuff like the shorts sniffing.
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Post by Nora on Jun 29, 2024 21:06:40 GMT
I personally liked their relationship, but the story shows an unhealthy dynamic between a younger inexperienced person discovering love through whats more of an obsession with an older more experienced person and there was a fair bit of manipulation going on amongst them as well as the women. it just didnt seem ballanced and healthy although I loved watching it on screen and to this day its my absolute favorite Timothee performance. luca seems to like portraying sexual obsessions on screen. and i am here for it
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 1, 2024 7:17:53 GMT
I viewed Challengers twice and deemed it "good" both times. In Challengers, an athletic female tennis sensation becomes the desired object of two male tennis players. But once at Stanford University, she blows out her knee, curtailing her promising playing career. Eventually, she chooses one of the men as her husband and decides to coach him, but the other man fails to fade away. While this plot line seems like it could invite a sentimental or self-serious approach, the movie’s tone instead proves much wryer, almost tongue-in-cheek yet without losing the beat of genuine intrigue. The film is engrossing, and the casting and acting of the three leads (Zendaya, Mike Faist, Josh O'Connor) work well. Luca Guadagnino's visual style reflects some irony in certain compositions. For instance, when the two male friends—and eventual rivals—see Tashi (Zendaya) play tennis for the first time, when they are all still teenagers, circa 2006, eventually their heads stop swiveling back and forth and remain tilted in her direction entirely, and Guadagnino's camera just holds on the shot from some distance, drying and ironically reflecting their attraction. Likewise, in a later shot from 2019 when they are all adults and Tashi is in the stands—but disillusioned by the situation, as her fading champion husband, Art (Faist), struggles against Patrick (O'Connor)—Guadagnino's camera just holds on her (again, from some distance) as she stares straight ahead, her head not moving as everyone else in the stands looks back and forth. In other words, Guadagnino, in certain instances, uses still shots, longer takes, and medium-range distances to skillfully indicate humor and knowing irony. He also showcases the tennis action effectively through camera movement, dynamic editing, and varying points of view, depending on the situation and stage of the film. Challengers' most intriguing aspect is the homorerotic, if not homosexual, angle, teased occasionally when Tashi talks about not wanting to be a "home wrecker" and then made most explicit in the makeout scene on the bed, when they are all teenagers. As she makes out with both males, who are flanking her on the bed, Tashi eventually leans back and allows them to make out with each other (and for a sustained period, at that), as they presume that they are still making out with her. This scene works more as metaphor than as realism and thus emphasizes the angle that Guadagnino teases. The film's plotting becomes shakier—more desperate—in its later stages, as writer Justin Kuritzkes seems to be searching for a satisfying resolution, one that is both logical and metaphorically effective. But while shaky, the resolution and conclusion work, especially by reiterating the idea—expressed by Tashi much earlier in the movie—that "tennis is a relationship." And ultimately, that is what Challengers is about, too: relationships. The film blends comedy with drama, the narrative moves with unrushed momentum, and the movie is serious while remaining unpretentious—an improvement, perhaps, on the director's previous work. Overall, then, the film amounts not to an "ace," but at least to solid groundstroke "winner."
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 24, 2024 20:20:22 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It's to tennis what Whiplash is to drumming. I really liked the three leads. The score and very ending I was both iffy on at first but grew on me.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Sept 26, 2024 6:39:10 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It's to tennis what Whiplash is to drumming. I really liked the three leads. The score and very ending I was both iffy on at first but grew on me. The analogy is ironic, because Whiplash is really more of a sports (or military) movie rather incongruously, and artificially, transferred to the world of music and jazz. That transference creates a fresh context, but it does not make much sense intellectually. I like Whiplash, which I just saw again in the theater after having originally done so in the early winter of 2015. It is "good": tense and engrossing, with strong performances, compelling cinematography (especially in terms of the lighting), excellent editing, and a nice feel for varied pacing (sometimes quicker, sometimes slower). But unlike Challengers, the motifs do not really fit the subject matter in Whiplash. (Jazz, for instance, is centrally about improvisation, not succumbing to dictation, and Charlie Parker's obsessive practicing was about creative joy and finding his own unique voice, not simply playing as fast as possible and making something perfect.) I also find Challengers much more fulfilling emotionally, whereas Whiplash strikes me as rather empty in that regard. It is also less consistent, tonally. The advantage of Whiplash is a simpler, sharper story, whereas Challengers' narrative is more unwieldly, even desperate at times. But, ultimately, it works.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 27, 2024 0:20:50 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It's to tennis what Whiplash is to drumming. I really liked the three leads. The score and very ending I was both iffy on at first but grew on me. The analogy is ironic, because Whiplash is really more of a sports (or military) movie rather incongruously, and artificially, transferred to the world of music and jazz. That transference creates a fresh context, but it does not make much sense intellectually. I like Whiplash, which I just saw again in the theater after having originally done so in the early winter of 2015. It is "good": tense and engrossing, with strong performances, compelling cinematography (especially in terms of the lighting), excellent editing, and a nice feel for varied pacing (sometimes quicker, sometimes slower). But unlike Challengers, the motifs do not really fit the subject matter in Whiplash. (Jazz, for instance, is centrally about improvisation, not succumbing to dictation, and Charlie Parker's obsessive practicing was about creative joy and finding his own unique voice, not simply playing as fast as possible and making something perfect.) I also find Challengers much more fulfilling emotionally, whereas Whiplash strikes me as rather empty in that regard. It is also less consistent, tonally. The advantage of Whiplash is a simpler, sharper story, whereas Challengers' narrative is more unwieldly, even desperate at times. But, ultimately, it works. What I meant with the comparison is that both films took two forms of entertainment I find rather dull and uninteresting, and made them extremely intense and exciting to watch. Whiplash had me on the edge of my seat more than most horror movies, and the final tennis match in this captured something similar. The editing is magic and I hope it gets at least nominated for it. That said, I know little to nothing about drumming or tennis, so I can't say how thematically or technically accurate they are (isn't the climax of Whiplash Teller's character doing all improv?)
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Sept 28, 2024 4:24:04 GMT
What I meant with the comparison is that both films took two forms of entertainment I find rather dull and uninteresting, and made them extremely intense and exciting to watch. Whiplash had me on the edge of my seat more than most horror movies, and the final tennis match in this captured something similar. The editing is magic and I hope it gets at least nominated for it. That said, I know little to nothing about drumming or tennis, so I can't say how thematically or technically accurate they are (isn't the climax of Whiplash Teller's character doing all improv?) ... indeed. The only issue is that how he could have reached that point would not really have been Fletcher's (the J.K. Simmons character) dictatorial training and intimidating teaching, hence the intellectual illogic. Yes, obsessive practicing is imperative in that regard, but not in the way that the film renders it. (If you can access it, Richard Brody's review in the New Yorker from ten years ago makes the point effectively: "Getting Jazz Right in the Movies".) But to your point, yes, Whiplash makes its subject matter entertaining, if nothing else. Regarding Challengers, some of those "subjective" (i.e. from the tennis ball's "perspective") shots in the climactic scene are also really engaging. They're unsubtle, but they are also daring and memorable.
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