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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 8, 2024 14:09:57 GMT
www.mlb.com/news/2024-mlb-all-star-pitchers-reserves-complete-rostersAMERICAN LEAGUE
Starters: C: Adley Rutschman (BAL) 1B: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (TOR) 2B: Jose Altuve (HOU) 3B: José Ramírez (CLE) SS: Gunnar Henderson (BAL) OF: Aaron Judge (NYY) OF: Steven Kwan (CLE) OF: Juan Soto (NYY) DH: Yordan Alvarez (HOU) Reserves: SS Carlos Correa, Twins 3B Rafael Devers, Red Sox OF Jarren Duran, Red Sox UTL David Fry, Guardians OF Riley Greene, Tigers 1B Josh Naylor, Guardians 3B Isaac Parades, Rays C Salvador Perez, Royals 2B Marcus Semien, Rangers SS Bobby Witt Jr., Royals OF Kyle Tucker, Astros Pitchers: Tyler Anderson, Angels Corbin Burnes, Orioles Emmanuel Clase, Guardians Garrett Crochet, White Sox Logan Gilbert, Mariners Clay Holmes, Yankees Tanner Houck, Red Sox Seth Lugo, Royals Mason Miller, A's Cole Ragans, Royals Tarik Skubal, Tigers Kirby Yates, Rangers NATIONAL LEAGUEStarters: C: William Contreras (MIL) 1B: Bryce Harper (PHI) 2B: Ketel Marte (AZ) 3B: Alec Bohm (PHI) SS: Trea Turner (PHI) OF: Jurickson Profar (SD) OF: Fernando Tatis Jr. (SD) OF: Christian Yelich (MIL) DH: Shohei Ohtani (LAD) Reservers: SS CJ Abrams, Nationals 1B Pete Alonso, Mets 1B Luis Arraez, Padres SS Mookie Betts, Dodgers SS Elly De La Cruz, Reds 1B Freddie Freeman, Dodgers OF Teoscar Hernandez, Dodgers 3B Ryan McMahon, Rockies OF Jackson Merrill, Padres DH Marcell Ozuna, Braves OF Heliot Ramos, Giants OF Bryan Reynolds, Pirates C Will Smith, Dodgers Pitchers: Tyler Glasnow, Dodgers Ryan Helsley, Cardinals Jeff Hoffman, Phillies Shota Imanaga, Cubs Reynaldo Lopez, Braves Chris Sale, Braves Tanner Scott, Marlins Paul Skenes, Pirates Matt Strahm, Phillies Ranger Suarez, Phillies Robert Suarez, Padres Logan Webb, Giants Zack Wheeler, Phillies Honestly, the biggest issue I have with the entire roster is Pete Alonso getting the nod at 1B over Christian Walker, who has across-the-board better offensive numbers, and is wildly superior defensively. This is a major snub and it was engineered by MLB to get Alonso into the HR derby (Pete said he would only participate if he made the ASG). If I'm Walker, I'm pretty slighted.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jul 8, 2024 21:46:27 GMT
Do they still have the "each team must be represented at least once" rule? Looks like he's the only Met on the roster. Who from the Mets would you send in his place?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 9, 2024 14:08:53 GMT
Do they still have the "each team must be represented at least once" rule? Looks like he's the only Met on the roster. Who from the Mets would you send in his place? They do still have that rule, which is in part fueling this issue. So Alonso is the lone representative, but both Nimmo and Lindor are more deserving. I'll get to Nimmo in a minute, but the Lindor thing is truly baffling. This is his 4th year with the Mets, and for 3 of those years (including this one), Lindor has led all NL shortstops in WAR during the 1st half. Whether you think WAR is useful or not, it's worth noting that of those years, he has never made the ASG. CJ Abrams is having a great year, don't get me wrong and I don't have an issue with him getting a nod, but since May 1, Lindor has been a top 5 player in baseball and has been playing his usual elite defense at short. His overall season numbers are a bit deflated due to what was one of the worst months of baseball I have ever seen someone have. But Nimmo is the guy here. He leads the team in RBI, has an .828 OPS and a 140 OPS+. He, like Lindor, had a brutal April, but since then, has been an offensive force that has, in large part, galvanized the Mets back into a season worth paying attention to. If you put Nimmo in the ASG instead of Alonso, then Christian Walker is your backup 1B, and all 3 players will be where they deserve to be next week. Although I think both Lindor and Walker will end up getting in due to injuries to other guys anyway. |
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Post by mtbg on Jul 9, 2024 14:38:16 GMT
Do they still have the "each team must be represented at least once" rule? Looks like he's the only Met on the roster. Who from the Mets would you send in his place? They do still have that rule, which is in part fueling this issue. So Alonso is the lone representative, but both Nimmo and Lindor are more deserving. I'll get to Nimmo in a minute, but the Lindor thing is truly baffling. This is his 4th year with the Mets, and for 3 of those years (including this one), Lindor has led all NL shortstops in WAR during the 1st half. Whether you think WAR is useful or not, it's worth noting that of those years, he has never made the ASG. CJ Abrams is having a great year, don't get me wrong and I don't have an issue with him getting a nod, but since May 1, Lindor has been a top 5 player in baseball and has been playing his usual elite defense at short. His overall season numbers are a bit deflated due to what was one of the worst months of baseball I have ever seen someone have. But Nimmo is the guy here. He leads the team in RBI, has an .828 OPS and a 140 OPS+. He, like Lindor, had a brutal April, but since then, has been an offensive force that has, in large part, galvanized the Mets back into a season worth paying attention to. If you put Nimmo in the ASG instead of Alonso, then Christian Walker is your backup 1B, and all 3 players will be where they deserve to be next week. Although I think both Lindor and Walker will end up getting in due to injuries to other guys anyway. Agree on all fronts. Lindor takes a lot of heat due to his contract and he is indeed streaky. But he can play! Who would've thought a few years back that we would be convincingly arguing Nimmo to be an All Star? Dude has just gotten better and better from being a 4th OFer type to an All Star caliber player! |
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 9, 2024 16:27:55 GMT
I don't think Alonso deserved to be there if not for the HR derby. He has been bad to awful. Walker should be there instead. If not for the injury, Starling Marte would have been my pick for the Mets. He has been the most consistent hitter all season when he played. For the ones who are in the roster, other than Nimmo, I can't think of another. Maybe Severino, their best pitcher?
Weird for me to see Clay Holmes got picked over another Yankees pitcher like Gil. Holmes is like sweating bullet for the fans every time he tried to close down the game. Of course, they need relieve pitchers in the game.
Otherwise, the roster is quite reasonable seeing lots of deserving first-timer like Kwan, Duran, Greene, Fry, McMahon.
How about Seth Lugo? I watched him live pitched for the Mets at Wrigley Field in 2017 and got clobbered by the Cubs. He was a decent, but not great multi-purpose pitcher mostly coming out of the pen for the Mets all those years, connecting their last time in the playoff before the one a couple years ago. Now he is a 1st time all-star for the Royas, as a starter. He may even be the starter for the all-star game. Great for him!
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Post by mtbg on Jul 9, 2024 16:55:56 GMT
I don't think Alonso deserved to be there if not for the HR derby. He has been bad to awful. Walker should be there instead. If not for the injury, Starling Marte would have been my pick for the Mets. He has been the most consistent hitter all season when he played. For the ones who are in the roster, other than Nimmo, I can't think of another. Maybe Severino, their best pitcher? Weird for me to see Clay Holmes got picked over another Yankees pitcher like Gil. Holmes is like sweating bullet for the fans every time he tried to close down the game. Of course, they need relieve pitchers in the game. Otherwise, the roster is quite reasonable seeing lots of deserving first-timer like Kwan, Duran, Greene, Fry, McMahon. How about Seth Lugo? I watched him live pitched for the Mets at Wrigley Field in 2017 and got clobbered by the Cubs. He was a decent, but not great multi-purpose pitcher mostly coming out of the pen for the Mets all those years, connecting their last time in the playoff before the one a couple years ago. Now he is a 1st time all-star for the Royas, as a starter. He may even be the starter for the all-star game. Great for him! I don't think he should be there over Walker either, but bad to awful? His HRs & RBIs are down but still on pace for 30+ HRs and 100 RBIs. Average is up 20+ points from last year and has the same amount of doubles right now then he had all of last year. Again, shouldn't be an all star but he hasn't been bad to awful. |
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 9, 2024 19:00:35 GMT
I don't think Alonso deserved to be there if not for the HR derby. He has been bad to awful. Walker should be there instead. If not for the injury, Starling Marte would have been my pick for the Mets. He has been the most consistent hitter all season when he played. For the ones who are in the roster, other than Nimmo, I can't think of another. Maybe Severino, their best pitcher? Weird for me to see Clay Holmes got picked over another Yankees pitcher like Gil. Holmes is like sweating bullet for the fans every time he tried to close down the game. Of course, they need relieve pitchers in the game. Otherwise, the roster is quite reasonable seeing lots of deserving first-timer like Kwan, Duran, Greene, Fry, McMahon. How about Seth Lugo? I watched him live pitched for the Mets at Wrigley Field in 2017 and got clobbered by the Cubs. He was a decent, but not great multi-purpose pitcher mostly coming out of the pen for the Mets all those years, connecting their last time in the playoff before the one a couple years ago. Now he is a 1st time all-star for the Royas, as a starter. He may even be the starter for the all-star game. Great for him! I don't think he should be there over Walker either, but bad to awful? His HRs & RBIs are down but still on pace for 30+ HRs and 100 RBIs. Average is up 20+ points from last year and has the same amount of doubles right now then he had all of last year. Again, shouldn't be an all star but he hasn't been bad to awful. He suggested in addition to Alonso, other Mets all-star candidates include Lindor, Nimmo, and Severino.
I guess regarding Alonso, his standard is higher than most. Like in 1990, people called Mattingly awful when he was hitting .300. He may have decent enough stats. When he comes to the plate, I have as much confidence in him this year as I have for Stanton. They showed his HR highlight now and then at MLB-Network. I don't think any of them are game changers. Unlike prevous years, when he comes to bat in crucial situation, I feel the Mets is out of luck. I didn't check, but wonder what his RISP and late/close game production are. I get a sense not very good. Perhaps I am a bit hard on Alonso. Still, I don't mind getting him to the Yankees for Rizzo in an instant. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 9, 2024 19:23:10 GMT
I don't think he should be there over Walker either, but bad to awful? His HRs & RBIs are down but still on pace for 30+ HRs and 100 RBIs. Average is up 20+ points from last year and has the same amount of doubles right now then he had all of last year. Again, shouldn't be an all star but he hasn't been bad to awful. He suggested in addition to Alonso, other Mets all-star candidates include Lindor, Nimmo, and Severino.
I guess regarding Alonso, his standard is higher than most. Like in 1990, people called Mattingly awful when he was hitting .300. He may have decent enough stats. When he comes to the plate, I have as much confidence in him this year as I have for Stanton. They showed his HR highlight now and then at MLB-Network. I don't think any of them are game changers. Unlike prevous years, when he comes to bat in crucial situation, I feel the Mets is out of luck. I didn't check, but wonder what his RISP and late/close game production are. I get a sense not very good. Perhaps I am a bit hard on Alonso. Still, I don't mind getting him to the Yankees for Rizzo in an instant. This year, Alonso isn't good in "clutch" situations. With RISP, he's slashing .221/.343/.384 with 3 HR and 30 RBI. In "late and close" situations, he's slashing .154/.313/.308 with 2 HR and a whopping 6 RBI. These seem to be somewhat indicative of just a down year and not typical, as his career slash with RISP is .257/.377/.543 (a very healthy .920 OPS) with 58 HR and 330 RBI across 908 plate appearances. In late and close situations, he's at .212/.314/.440 with 24 HR and 76 RBI in 453 appearances (still not great). Contrast that to Nimmo, who with RISP this year is slashing a mighty .351/.479/636 (1.116 OPS) with 4 HR and 37 RBI. "Late & close," he's at .318/.444/750 (1.194). |
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Post by mtbg on Jul 10, 2024 2:18:00 GMT
I don't think he should be there over Walker either, but bad to awful? His HRs & RBIs are down but still on pace for 30+ HRs and 100 RBIs. Average is up 20+ points from last year and has the same amount of doubles right now then he had all of last year. Again, shouldn't be an all star but he hasn't been bad to awful. He suggested in addition to Alonso, other Mets all-star candidates include Lindor, Nimmo, and Severino.
I guess regarding Alonso, his standard is higher than most. Like in 1990, people called Mattingly awful when he was hitting .300. He may have decent enough stats. When he comes to the plate, I have as much confidence in him this year as I have for Stanton. They showed his HR highlight now and then at MLB-Network. I don't think any of them are game changers. Unlike prevous years, when he comes to bat in crucial situation, I feel the Mets is out of luck. I didn't check, but wonder what his RISP and late/close game production are. I get a sense not very good. Perhaps I am a bit hard on Alonso. Still, I don't mind getting him to the Yankees for Rizzo in an instant. I would agree that he hasn't been up to his standard, which is magnified as he's in a contract year. Perhaps he's pressing because it's a contact year. And Klaw just showed his late game #'s and they are definitely not good. He hasn't been as bad as many are saying but he hasn't been this premier feared slugger as he has been in year's past. Hopefully he can get back to his standard after the All Star break. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 10, 2024 14:39:12 GMT
He suggested in addition to Alonso, other Mets all-star candidates include Lindor, Nimmo, and Severino.
I guess regarding Alonso, his standard is higher than most. Like in 1990, people called Mattingly awful when he was hitting .300. He may have decent enough stats. When he comes to the plate, I have as much confidence in him this year as I have for Stanton. They showed his HR highlight now and then at MLB-Network. I don't think any of them are game changers. Unlike prevous years, when he comes to bat in crucial situation, I feel the Mets is out of luck. I didn't check, but wonder what his RISP and late/close game production are. I get a sense not very good. Perhaps I am a bit hard on Alonso. Still, I don't mind getting him to the Yankees for Rizzo in an instant. I would agree that he hasn't been up to his standard, which is magnified as he's in a contract year. Perhaps he's pressing because it's a contact year. And Klaw just showed his late game #'s and they are definitely not good. He hasn't been as bad as many are saying but he hasn't been this premier feared slugger as he has been in year's past. Hopefully he can get back to his standard after the All Star break. He is clearly pressing, which is frustrating, but we've all seen Pete go on 2-week tears where he hits 9 homers and carries the entire team. One of those little stretches, and his entire season line will look dramatically better. |
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 10, 2024 19:44:51 GMT
klawrencio79 mtbgThanks Klaw for the interesting situational stat of Pete Alonso. His "late and close" stat is pretty bad, but his RISP stat is not good but not that bad. The RIPS average is higher than a lot of overall BA in the Tampa Bay Rays line up. lol. I am surprised how low his career "late and close" stats are. I mean, before this year, he is the one guy you want to come to bat when the game is on the line. He had so many big hits with the Mets already. Regardless, it would be a big mistake for the Mets to let him walk, and worse if traded before the deadline. Alsonso is one in the generation Mets and should be a lifetime Mets. Last year, I was a few who strongly opposed to blowing up the team that promised 2025 while the team is still in contention. I have a feeling Cohen/Stearns may consider doing it again this year starting trading away Alonso. Forget about 2025 then if that happens. The Mets are not out of the playoff this year yet, especially if Alonso has his typical tears after the all-star.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 10, 2024 19:59:32 GMT
klawrencio79 mtbg Thanks Klaw for the interesting situational stat of Pete Alonso. His "late and close" stat is pretty bad, but his RISP stat is not good but not that bad. The RIPS average is higher than a lot of overall BA in the Tampa Bay Rays line up. lol. I am surprised how low his career "late and close" stats are. I mean, before this year, he is the one guy you want to come to bat when the game is on the line. He had so many big hits with the Mets already. Regardless, it would be a big mistake for the Mets to let him walk, and worse if traded before the deadline. Alsonso is one in the generation Mets and should be a lifetime Mets. Last year, I was a few who strongly opposed to blowing up the team that promised 2025 while the team is still in contention. I have a feeling Cohen/Stearns may consider doing it again this year starting trading away Alonso. Forget about 2025 then if that happens. The Mets are not out of the playoff this year yet, especially if Alonso has his typical tears after the all-star. Well I think they have reinserted themselves into a place where they could make the playoffs, but in all honesty, they're not getting past the Dodgers, Braves or Phillies with their bullpen being as fucking awful as it is. If they want to add bullpen arms on the cheap, I'm fine with that. But they should NOT trade away any meaningful prospects this year because they're not ready and they shouldn't mortgage the future that they have managed to build for themselves over the past year. Last year, the sell-off worked well. The upper levels of the minors are now pretty stacked with high quality guys and if they decided to bail on 2025 by trading away a bunch of guys to achieve a similar result, I'm OK with it. The goal is sustained success, not putting together a hodge podge of guys and hoping to catch fire here and there. Alonso is a weird situation though. He's their "franchise" player, he's home grown, he's been great, he loves playing here, all that. BUT, he wants an insane contract. I'm not a guy who really cares too much about spending boat loads of money on players, but in his case, I would kind of have an issue with it. For one, he's on the wrong side of 30 and players of his profile tend not to age well. He's been durable as anybody, but think of the Prince Fielders of the world (there are tons of other examples). Then look at what other first basemen get. I don't include Bryce Harper (because his contract was signed when he was an OF) making the top 1b contracts that of Matt Olson (8 years, $168m), Freddie Freeman (7, $162m) and Paul Goldschmidt (5, $130m). Goldschmidt is terrible this year but putting that aside, I'd take any of those 3 contracts for Pete, and I'd live with him being Stanton-esque towards the back half. But the rumor mill has him wanting $250m+. I'm sorry, but Olson and Freeman are both materially better than Alonso on both sides of the ball and I just can't justify that kind of contract when that kind of money can fill multiple other holes that the team has. I'd much rather they give team-friendly extensions to guys like Alvarez and Vientos before putting that kind of scratch towards Alonso. So what do the Mets do? Honestly, I don't think he'll have much trade value given he'd be a pure rental, regardless of his power upside. Plus, if the Mets do trade him away, even with a great return, that greatly diminishes their chances to re-sign him so if that's something they think they can do, they should hold on to him through the end of the year. No great answers on this one. But guys like Bader and Severino would be more likely to get moved if they decide to do that. |
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Post by Rufus-T on Jul 10, 2024 20:16:42 GMT
klawrencio79 mtbg Thanks Klaw for the interesting situational stat of Pete Alonso. His "late and close" stat is pretty bad, but his RISP stat is not good but not that bad. The RIPS average is higher than a lot of overall BA in the Tampa Bay Rays line up. lol. I am surprised how low his career "late and close" stats are. I mean, before this year, he is the one guy you want to come to bat when the game is on the line. He had so many big hits with the Mets already. Regardless, it would be a big mistake for the Mets to let him walk, and worse if traded before the deadline. Alsonso is one in the generation Mets and should be a lifetime Mets. Last year, I was a few who strongly opposed to blowing up the team that promised 2025 while the team is still in contention. I have a feeling Cohen/Stearns may consider doing it again this year starting trading away Alonso. Forget about 2025 then if that happens. The Mets are not out of the playoff this year yet, especially if Alonso has his typical tears after the all-star. Well I think they have reinserted themselves into a place where they could make the playoffs, but in all honesty, they're not getting past the Dodgers, Braves or Phillies with their bullpen being as fucking awful as it is. If they want to add bullpen arms on the cheap, I'm fine with that. But they should NOT trade away any meaningful prospects this year because they're not ready and they shouldn't mortgage the future that they have managed to build for themselves over the past year. Last year, the sell-off worked well. The upper levels of the minors are now pretty stacked with high quality guys and if they decided to bail on 2025 by trading away a bunch of guys to achieve a similar result, I'm OK with it. The goal is sustained success, not putting together a hodge podge of guys and hoping to catch fire here and there. Alonso is a weird situation though. He's their "franchise" player, he's home grown, he's been great, he loves playing here, all that. BUT, he wants an insane contract. I'm not a guy who really cares too much about spending boat loads of money on players, but in his case, I would kind of have an issue with it. For one, he's on the wrong side of 30 and players of his profile tend not to age well. He's been durable as anybody, but think of the Prince Fielders of the world (there are tons of other examples). Then look at what other first basemen get. I don't include Bryce Harper (because his contract was signed when he was an OF) making the top 1b contracts that of Matt Olson (8 years, $168m), Freddie Freeman (7, $162m) and Paul Goldschmidt (5, $130m). Goldschmidt is terrible this year but putting that aside, I'd take any of those 3 contracts for Pete, and I'd live with him being Stanton-esque towards the back half. But the rumor mill has him wanting $250m+. I'm sorry, but Olson and Freeman are both materially better than Alonso on both sides of the ball and I just can't justify that kind of contract when that kind of money can fill multiple other holes that the team has. I'd much rather they give team-friendly extensions to guys like Alvarez and Vientos before putting that kind of scratch towards Alonso. So what do the Mets do? Honestly, I don't think he'll have much trade value given he'd be a pure rental, regardless of his power upside. Plus, if the Mets do trade him away, even with a great return, that greatly diminishes their chances to re-sign him so if that's something they think they can do, they should hold on to him through the end of the year. No great answers on this one. But guys like Bader and Severino would be more likely to get moved if they decide to do that. Talking about the bullpen, Reed Garrett was on his way to the all-star game before he fell off the earth. Damn, he's been scary bad lately. Just heard he got put into the 15 days IL. I don't know if we will see the 2021 Edwin Diaz as Mets again. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jul 10, 2024 21:09:45 GMT
Well I think they have reinserted themselves into a place where they could make the playoffs, but in all honesty, they're not getting past the Dodgers, Braves or Phillies with their bullpen being as fucking awful as it is. If they want to add bullpen arms on the cheap, I'm fine with that. But they should NOT trade away any meaningful prospects this year because they're not ready and they shouldn't mortgage the future that they have managed to build for themselves over the past year. Last year, the sell-off worked well. The upper levels of the minors are now pretty stacked with high quality guys and if they decided to bail on 2025 by trading away a bunch of guys to achieve a similar result, I'm OK with it. The goal is sustained success, not putting together a hodge podge of guys and hoping to catch fire here and there. Alonso is a weird situation though. He's their "franchise" player, he's home grown, he's been great, he loves playing here, all that. BUT, he wants an insane contract. I'm not a guy who really cares too much about spending boat loads of money on players, but in his case, I would kind of have an issue with it. For one, he's on the wrong side of 30 and players of his profile tend not to age well. He's been durable as anybody, but think of the Prince Fielders of the world (there are tons of other examples). Then look at what other first basemen get. I don't include Bryce Harper (because his contract was signed when he was an OF) making the top 1b contracts that of Matt Olson (8 years, $168m), Freddie Freeman (7, $162m) and Paul Goldschmidt (5, $130m). Goldschmidt is terrible this year but putting that aside, I'd take any of those 3 contracts for Pete, and I'd live with him being Stanton-esque towards the back half. But the rumor mill has him wanting $250m+. I'm sorry, but Olson and Freeman are both materially better than Alonso on both sides of the ball and I just can't justify that kind of contract when that kind of money can fill multiple other holes that the team has. I'd much rather they give team-friendly extensions to guys like Alvarez and Vientos before putting that kind of scratch towards Alonso. So what do the Mets do? Honestly, I don't think he'll have much trade value given he'd be a pure rental, regardless of his power upside. Plus, if the Mets do trade him away, even with a great return, that greatly diminishes their chances to re-sign him so if that's something they think they can do, they should hold on to him through the end of the year. No great answers on this one. But guys like Bader and Severino would be more likely to get moved if they decide to do that. Talking about the bullpen, Reed Garrett was on his way to the all-star game before he fell off the earth. Damn, he's been scary bad lately. Just heard he got put into the 15 days IL. I don't know if we will see the 2021 Edwin Diaz as Mets again. Well that Diaz (the 22 Diaz) was one of the best closers to ever take the mound. We weren't seeing that dude again even without last year's injury. But he's still solid and even coming off a full year on the shelf, he was the least of our concerns. But holy hell, the rest of the pen is downright atrocious. Reed Garret was great early on, but he was never anything special before this year and everything caught up to him. Ottavino is terrible, and the rest of the guys are basically dart throws. They just brought in Phil Maton which is fine, but the bullpen is going to cost a bunch of games the rest of the way, no way around that. I'm hoping that once Senga comes back, they keep Christian Scott up for the duration and utilize a 6-man rotation. This should help keep the starters all fresh and allow them all to go a bit deeper into games each start, thus preserving the nuclear bomb bullpen and hopefully shoring some of that up. But yeah, it's pretty tough to watch most nights. |
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Post by mtbg on Jul 11, 2024 12:54:46 GMT
klawrencio79 mtbg Thanks Klaw for the interesting situational stat of Pete Alonso. His "late and close" stat is pretty bad, but his RISP stat is not good but not that bad. The RIPS average is higher than a lot of overall BA in the Tampa Bay Rays line up. lol. I am surprised how low his career "late and close" stats are. I mean, before this year, he is the one guy you want to come to bat when the game is on the line. He had so many big hits with the Mets already. Regardless, it would be a big mistake for the Mets to let him walk, and worse if traded before the deadline. Alsonso is one in the generation Mets and should be a lifetime Mets. Last year, I was a few who strongly opposed to blowing up the team that promised 2025 while the team is still in contention. I have a feeling Cohen/Stearns may consider doing it again this year starting trading away Alonso. Forget about 2025 then if that happens. The Mets are not out of the playoff this year yet, especially if Alonso has his typical tears after the all-star. Well I think they have reinserted themselves into a place where they could make the playoffs, but in all honesty, they're not getting past the Dodgers, Braves or Phillies with their bullpen being as fucking awful as it is. If they want to add bullpen arms on the cheap, I'm fine with that. But they should NOT trade away any meaningful prospects this year because they're not ready and they shouldn't mortgage the future that they have managed to build for themselves over the past year. Last year, the sell-off worked well. The upper levels of the minors are now pretty stacked with high quality guys and if they decided to bail on 2025 by trading away a bunch of guys to achieve a similar result, I'm OK with it. The goal is sustained success, not putting together a hodge podge of guys and hoping to catch fire here and there. Alonso is a weird situation though. He's their "franchise" player, he's home grown, he's been great, he loves playing here, all that. BUT, he wants an insane contract. I'm not a guy who really cares too much about spending boat loads of money on players, but in his case, I would kind of have an issue with it. For one, he's on the wrong side of 30 and players of his profile tend not to age well. He's been durable as anybody, but think of the Prince Fielders of the world (there are tons of other examples). Then look at what other first basemen get. I don't include Bryce Harper (because his contract was signed when he was an OF) making the top 1b contracts that of Matt Olson (8 years, $168m), Freddie Freeman (7, $162m) and Paul Goldschmidt (5, $130m). Goldschmidt is terrible this year but putting that aside, I'd take any of those 3 contracts for Pete, and I'd live with him being Stanton-esque towards the back half. But the rumor mill has him wanting $250m+. I'm sorry, but Olson and Freeman are both materially better than Alonso on both sides of the ball and I just can't justify that kind of contract when that kind of money can fill multiple other holes that the team has. I'd much rather they give team-friendly extensions to guys like Alvarez and Vientos before putting that kind of scratch towards Alonso. So what do the Mets do? Honestly, I don't think he'll have much trade value given he'd be a pure rental, regardless of his power upside. Plus, if the Mets do trade him away, even with a great return, that greatly diminishes their chances to re-sign him so if that's something they think they can do, they should hold on to him through the end of the year. No great answers on this one. But guys like Bader and Severino would be more likely to get moved if they decide to do that. Agree that Pete is a tough situation. I would also give him the same contract as Olson or Freeman, even though they are better, for the reasons you gave. NO CHANCE I'd give him 250 mil. I also don't see him getting that anywhere though. So I don't trade him, try to bolster the bullpen a bit on the cheap, hopefully make the playoffs and then try to sign Pete to a deal like the ones mentioned above. If he gets somebody to give a much bigger offer, good for him and best of luck. I also don't think they'd get much in return for a pure rental so keep him and roll the dice. |
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Post by mtbg on Jul 11, 2024 12:57:05 GMT
Well I think they have reinserted themselves into a place where they could make the playoffs, but in all honesty, they're not getting past the Dodgers, Braves or Phillies with their bullpen being as fucking awful as it is. If they want to add bullpen arms on the cheap, I'm fine with that. But they should NOT trade away any meaningful prospects this year because they're not ready and they shouldn't mortgage the future that they have managed to build for themselves over the past year. Last year, the sell-off worked well. The upper levels of the minors are now pretty stacked with high quality guys and if they decided to bail on 2025 by trading away a bunch of guys to achieve a similar result, I'm OK with it. The goal is sustained success, not putting together a hodge podge of guys and hoping to catch fire here and there. Alonso is a weird situation though. He's their "franchise" player, he's home grown, he's been great, he loves playing here, all that. BUT, he wants an insane contract. I'm not a guy who really cares too much about spending boat loads of money on players, but in his case, I would kind of have an issue with it. For one, he's on the wrong side of 30 and players of his profile tend not to age well. He's been durable as anybody, but think of the Prince Fielders of the world (there are tons of other examples). Then look at what other first basemen get. I don't include Bryce Harper (because his contract was signed when he was an OF) making the top 1b contracts that of Matt Olson (8 years, $168m), Freddie Freeman (7, $162m) and Paul Goldschmidt (5, $130m). Goldschmidt is terrible this year but putting that aside, I'd take any of those 3 contracts for Pete, and I'd live with him being Stanton-esque towards the back half. But the rumor mill has him wanting $250m+. I'm sorry, but Olson and Freeman are both materially better than Alonso on both sides of the ball and I just can't justify that kind of contract when that kind of money can fill multiple other holes that the team has. I'd much rather they give team-friendly extensions to guys like Alvarez and Vientos before putting that kind of scratch towards Alonso. So what do the Mets do? Honestly, I don't think he'll have much trade value given he'd be a pure rental, regardless of his power upside. Plus, if the Mets do trade him away, even with a great return, that greatly diminishes their chances to re-sign him so if that's something they think they can do, they should hold on to him through the end of the year. No great answers on this one. But guys like Bader and Severino would be more likely to get moved if they decide to do that. Talking about the bullpen, Reed Garrett was on his way to the all-star game before he fell off the earth. Damn, he's been scary bad lately. Just heard he got put into the 15 days IL. I don't know if we will see the 2021 Edwin Diaz as Mets again. The bullpen has been a dumpster fire but then again, the starters aren't giving them much length which has a lot to do with it as well. It's tough watching when no lead is safe once they get to the pen and need 9-12 more outs! |
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