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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 8, 2017 15:44:42 GMT
It's still very much a DCEU movie. The more I think about it, if you place the flashback scenes from Man of Steel in line with the present, it's almost close to the basic narrative of Wonder Woman. "Hero grows up with a mysterious past, yearns for greater purpose, parental figure is overly cautious, hero meets worldly love interest, has to fight tyrannical villain, cannot rescue everyone, villain gives hero unbearable dillema, hero accepts their newfound role but is less idealistic". I guess we can say that due to the wide gap between the two movies' reception that Wonder Woman did it far better (or at least less heavier). Yep, Wonder Woman is more like MoS than The First Avenger or Thor. Another similarity between Wonder Woman and MoS goes back to my point about DCEU heroes inspiring ordinary people with no superpowers to be heroic while MCU heroes never inspire ordinary people with no superpowers to be heroic.
In MoS, while Superman goes to the South Indian Ocean to destroy the World Engine, Colonel Hardy, Lois Lane, and Emil Hamilton are on a mission to destroy the Black Zero. In Wonder Woman, while Wonder Woman is battling Ares, Steve Trevor destroys the poisonous gas in the plane. Ordinary people with no superpowers risking their lives to do something heroic. DCEU does that well. MCU has none of that.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 8, 2017 15:49:07 GMT
Yes, because the original Superman or Raimi's Spiderman trilogy had absolutely no humor. Good thing Marvel invented that thing called humor And thb WW uses the humor just as much as needed, as opposed to 90% of MCU Yep, if Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, there would be plenty of jokes and 1-liners during those scenes when they showed the injured and wounded (some with amputated limbs), the town burned and reduced to rubble, and women and children laying dead from poisonous gas. Wonder Woman acknowledges the horror and brutality of war. MCU movies turn wars into jokes and comedy shows. If WW was an MCU movie you'd complain about how cheesy the humor was, even if the movie was made exactly the way it was done now. You'd also make multiple criticisms about it trivializing the fight scenes and such. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 8, 2017 15:53:22 GMT
It's still very much a DCEU movie. We're just used to nitpicking the franchise's shortcomings that any immediate sign of competence is compared to the MCU. Anyway, it's superficially similar to The First Avenger and perhaps Thor but it's definitely its own style and tone. I don't see certain things taking place in the MCU like the gas attack. It's more reminiscent of the Richard Donner Superman films but a tad heavier. The more I think about it, if you place the flashback scenes from Man of Steel in line with the present, it's almost close to the basic narrative of Wonder Woman. "Hero grows up with a mysterious past, yearns for greater purpose, parental figure is overly cautious, hero meets worldly love interest, has to fight tyrannical villain, cannot rescue everyone, villain gives hero unbearable dillema, hero accepts their newfound role but is less idealistic". I guess we can say that due to the wide gap between the two movies' reception that Wonder Woman did it far better (or at least less heavier). I'd agree that the WW is a tone on its own, but I were to liken it to other movies I'd say it's closer to MCU than to DCEU. Or at least it's closer to movies like TWS, CW, Thor I and CATFA than it is close to movies like MOS, BvS and SS. Though I still think the closest it feels like is the first 2 Raimi Spiderman movies. That said, that does not mean it is copying any other movie style. It's not like these movies have copyrights to specific movie formulas. I think WW stands on a style of its own, and it's high time that DCEU adapted that style and tone. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 8, 2017 16:00:07 GMT
Yep, if Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, there would be plenty of jokes and 1-liners during those scenes when they showed the injured and wounded (some with amputated limbs), the town burned and reduced to rubble, and women and children laying dead from poisonous gas. Wonder Woman acknowledges the horror and brutality of war. MCU movies turn wars into jokes and comedy shows. If WW was an MCU movie you'd complain about how cheesy the humor was, even if the movie was made exactly the way it was done now. You'd also make multiple criticisms about it trivializing the fight scenes and such. Wonder Woman didn't have jokes and 1-liners during the fight scenes like MCU movies always do so how were the fight scenes in Wonder Woman trivialized? If anything, Wonder Woman made it clear how important the fight scenes were.
There was an episode of Arrow when they were trying to prevent a nuclear bomb from detonating and Curtis Holt cracked a joke and Oliver Queen got mad and yelled at him and said "This isn't a joke. If we don't do our jobs, people die!"
In Wonder Woman, the women and children in the town were beaten or killed. If Wonder Woman and her team didn't liberate the town, more women and children would be killed. So the fight scenes were very important and Patty Jenkins didn't trivialize them the way MCU movies trivialize practically all of their fight scenes (e.g. in The Avengers, Black Widow is tied to a chair, she receives a phone call from Nick Fury, and then proceeds to beat up the bad guys while tied to a chair and talking on a cell phone).
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 8, 2017 16:24:01 GMT
If WW was an MCU movie you'd complain about how cheesy the humor was, even if the movie was made exactly the way it was done now. You'd also make multiple criticisms about it trivializing the fight scenes and such. Wonder Woman didn't have jokes and 1-liners during the fight scenes like MCU movies always do so how were the fight scenes in Wonder Woman trivialized? If anything, Wonder Woman made it clear how important the fight scenes were.
There was an episode of Arrow when they were trying to prevent a nuclear bomb from detonating and Curtis Holt cracked a joke and Oliver Queen got mad and yelled at him and said "This isn't a joke. If we don't do our jobs, people die!"
In Wonder Woman, the women and children in the town were beaten or killed. If Wonder Woman and her team didn't liberate the town, more women and children would be killed. So the fight scenes were very important and Patty Jenkins didn't trivialize them the way MCU movies trivialize practically all of their fight scenes (e.g. in The Avengers, Black Widow is tied to a chair, she receives a phone call from Nick Fury, and then proceeds to beat up the bad guys while tied to a chair and talking on a cell phone).
I guess you must hate the Flash then, because they make jokes all the time even in the middle of a fight. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 8, 2017 17:47:42 GMT
Anyway, I hope you enjoy this very good MCU film, DC fans.  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 8, 2017 20:12:34 GMT
Basically, DC-Fan is PO'ed that the MCU Heroes are good at their jobs while the DC ones need others to succeed at anything.
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Post by barcode on Jun 8, 2017 20:49:49 GMT
WW is a very good movie produced by Warner Bros under DCEU
Is it so hard for you to digest facts?
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 8, 2017 20:53:47 GMT
WW is a very good movie produced by Warner Bros under DCEU Is it so hard for you to digest facts? I hope you're kidding... But just in case... He outlines what he is saying in his full post. The gist is: WW is more in line with the MCU than the DCEU. So therefore...WW is a very good MCU film. |
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Post by barcode on Jun 8, 2017 20:57:36 GMT
WW is a very good movie produced by Warner Bros under DCEU Is it so hard for you to digest facts? I hope you're kidding... But just in case... He outlines what he is saying in his full post. The gist is: WW is more in line with the MCU than the DCEU. So therefore...WW is a very good MCU film. Yeah .. the Gist So now start listing the other franchises also that may have similar moments and in line with this movie and write WW is very good - XYZ franchise movie.. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Jun 8, 2017 21:03:19 GMT
I hope you're kidding... But just in case... He outlines what he is saying in his full post. The gist is: WW is more in line with the MCU than the DCEU. So therefore...WW is a very good MCU film. Yeah .. the Gist So now start listing the other franchises also that may have similar moments and in line with this movie and write WW is very good - XYZ franchise movie.. No idea what your point is...and you seem to be taking everything far too literally. He made a joke that had a valid argument behind it. That's all. |
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Post by barcode on Jun 8, 2017 21:13:28 GMT
Yeah .. the Gist So now start listing the other franchises also that may have similar moments and in line with this movie and write WW is very good - XYZ franchise movie.. No idea what your point is...and you seem to be taking everything far too literally. He made a joke that had a valid argument behind it. That's all. Point is simple - WW is a very good movie , not because it resembles MCU movie.Instead the movie has its own flavor and novelty and is being recognized as a beautiful surprise. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 8, 2017 22:00:59 GMT
^ WW is a very good movie, because it uses a lot of techniques that MCU also use for their movies. Obviously that's not the only reason it is good, but the similarities are there and what was once aspects that DC fans scoffed at are now the same aspects that have made WW good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 23:05:57 GMT
It's still very much a DCEU movie. The more I think about it, if you place the flashback scenes from Man of Steel in line with the present, it's almost close to the basic narrative of Wonder Woman. "Hero grows up with a mysterious past, yearns for greater purpose, parental figure is overly cautious, hero meets worldly love interest, has to fight tyrannical villain, cannot rescue everyone, villain gives hero unbearable dillema, hero accepts their newfound role but is less idealistic". I guess we can say that due to the wide gap between the two movies' reception that Wonder Woman did it far better (or at least less heavier). Yep, Wonder Woman is more like MoS than The First Avenger or Thor. Another similarity between Wonder Woman and MoS goes back to my point about DCEU heroes inspiring ordinary people with no superpowers to be heroic while MCU heroes never inspire ordinary people with no superpowers to be heroic.
In MoS, while Superman goes to the South Indian Ocean to destroy the World Engine, Colonel Hardy, Lois Lane, and Emil Hamilton are on a mission to destroy the Black Zero. In Wonder Woman, while Wonder Woman is battling Ares, Steve Trevor destroys the poisonous gas in the plane. Ordinary people with no superpowers risking their lives to do something heroic. DCEU does that well. MCU has none of that.
So the Agents of SHIELD, Black Widow, Sharon Carter, Peggy Carter, and Hawkeye don't count? They don't have super powers, and they risk their lives to heroic things. Same with Cap's Howling Commandos, Ant-Man's pals, Happy, and many others in the MCU series. Nice job showing you don't pay any attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 23:13:31 GMT
Yes, because the original Superman or Raimi's Spiderman trilogy had absolutely no humor. Good thing Marvel invented that thing called humor And thb WW uses the humor just as much as needed, as opposed to 90% of MCU Yep, if Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, there would be plenty of jokes and 1-liners during those scenes when they showed the injured and wounded (some with amputated limbs), the town burned and reduced to rubble, and women and children laying dead from poisonous gas. Wonder Woman acknowledges the horror and brutality of war. MCU movies turn wars into jokes and comedy shows. Really? I seem to recall Ironman (2008) treating that village the Ten Rings was terrorizing with the weight it deserved. I also recall when The Destroyer was laying waste to the town where Thor was staying in Thor 1 being a very intense and somber sequence. I also recall none of the destruction caused by Hydra in Captain America: The First Avenger being treated as laughing matter. Sokovia taking flight in Age of Ultron was a dead serious scene aside from a couple of comments from Hawkeye. The explosion at the beginning of Civil War that set everything in motion was dead serious. So... basically, you and Miike are both talking out your asses. Again. |
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Post by brownstones on Jun 8, 2017 23:14:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 23:15:13 GMT
WW is a very good movie produced by Warner Bros under DCEU Is it so hard for you to digest facts? Nah, it's a good movie because it copied Marvel. |
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Post by northernlad on Jun 9, 2017 5:27:48 GMT
WW is a very good movie produced by Warner Bros under DCEU Is it so hard for you to digest facts? Nah, it's a good movie because it copied Marvel. lol Oh man! It means that much to you huh? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 5:31:06 GMT
Nah, it's a good movie because it copied Marvel. lol Oh man! It means that much to you huh? Well, it does burrow a decent amount of inspiration from its rival. Plus, if you think I'm going to cut any of the jerks who have been hounding us with their "DC is kool! Marval is stoopid!" bullcrap a break, you've got another thing coming. |
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Post by northernlad on Jun 9, 2017 5:33:46 GMT
lol Oh man! It means that much to you huh? Well, it does burrow a decent amount of inspiration from its rival. Plus, if you think I'm going to cut any of the jerks who have been hounding us with their "DC is kool! Marval is stoopid!" bullcrap a break, you've got another thing coming. lol Well for one thing...I have NEVER done the "DC is kool! Marval is stoopid!" thing. I don't care that much. I like what I like and go with it. I don't go to other boards and continually harass other fans about what they DO like. I just don't see the point of it. |
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