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Post by kuatorises on Jun 8, 2017 19:59:17 GMT
I have to say, I did like the new movie. I thought it was pretty enjoyable, appropriately gross, and even a little thought-provoking (like Prometheus had hoped to be).
One of the things that I didn't like,, even though the scene itself was cool, was the continued confusion over that goddamn black goo. In this movie, when dropped on the Engineers, it simply kills them. Well, not simply. It looks like a pretty painful death. My point is, he basically eats away at their bodies similarly to how the engineer at the beginning of Prometheus dies; although it was never clarified whether that substance is the black goo. For the sake of the conversation, I'm going to say that they are the same substance.
Things start to get a little murky when the crew of the Prometheus enters the Engineer's ship. In the room that contains all of the containers with the black goo, there is a mural with what appears to be a xenomorph. It is a logical assumption then that the black goo creates xenomorphs. I think we're supposed to assume that is what Fiefield and Holloway were turning into.
This was confusing, because the mural on the wall is specifically a picture of a xenomorph. the other mural is an Engineer with it's hand on another creature. The logical assumption is the Engineers are the creators of the xenomorphs or at least a very close cousin, since David did the tinkering.
Then again in the new movie, we see two different results from the same substance. One being the death of the Engineers, the other being the neomorph; which if I understood correctly was the result of the residue that fell to the earth mutating some local lifeforms.
Why does it destroy one life form and turned the others into incubators for xenomorphs? I think Ridley attempted to explain it when he had David say that it is unstable, but that's simply a bad excuse and really doesn't solve anything. It still does whatever the plot needs it to do..
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Post by Jerk on Jun 8, 2017 21:02:10 GMT
You're trying to rationalise it as if the xenomorph is the end result of the black goo. It's not. It's still just one result of many possibilities it presents.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 8, 2017 23:39:06 GMT
You're trying to rationalise it as if the xenomorph is the end result of the black goo. It's not. It's still just one result of many possibilities it presents.That is bad writing literally quite possibly the worst maguffin in film history.
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Post by poelzig on Jun 8, 2017 23:48:43 GMT
I thought this was going to be an X-Files discussion. Dang it.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 9, 2017 23:48:06 GMT
You're trying to rationalise it as if the xenomorph is the end result of the black goo. It's not. It's still just one result of many possibilities it presents. What you said agree.
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Post by Jerk on Jun 10, 2017 11:31:20 GMT
You're trying to rationalise it as if the xenomorph is the end result of the black goo. It's not. It's still just one result of many possibilities it presents.That is bad writing literally quite possibly the worst maguffin in film history. There is worse writing and worse maguffins out there.
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Post by kuatorises on Jun 12, 2017 17:53:52 GMT
That is bad writing literally quite possibly the worst maguffin in film history. There is worse writing and worse maguffins out there. Creating something that literally does whatever you need so that the plot can advance – and changes multiple times throughout a single movie – is as bad as it gets. Nuke the fridge has nothing on this.
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Post by Jerk on Jun 12, 2017 17:58:48 GMT
There is worse writing and worse maguffins out there. Creating something that literally does whatever you need so that the plot can advance – and changes multiple times throughout a single movie – is as bad as it gets. Nuke the fridge has nothing on this. There are only two end results. Two ends to a spectrum. Its not whatever you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:56:50 GMT
I guess that Charlie in Prometheus was only exposed to a drop of it and look what it did to him. Maybe it's not supposed to be used in high quantities but David did as it was the only weapon he had.
Also a small cup of it disintegrated the Engineer at the beginning of Prometheus.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 19, 2017 14:09:09 GMT
Also a small cup of it disintegrated the Engineer at the beginning of Prometheus. that could have been any kind of Engineering cocktail, really.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 4, 2017 14:39:03 GMT
I guess that Charlie in Prometheus was only exposed to a drop of it and look what it did to him. Maybe it's not supposed to be used in high quantities but David did as it was the only weapon he had. Also a small cup of it disintegrated the Engineer at the beginning of Prometheus. What exactly did it do to him? What was going to happen to him? Was he turning into a xenomorph or being broken down like what happens to the Engineers when they are exposed to it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 15:02:37 GMT
I guess that Charlie in Prometheus was only exposed to a drop of it and look what it did to him. Maybe it's not supposed to be used in high quantities but David did as it was the only weapon he had. Also a small cup of it disintegrated the Engineer at the beginning of Prometheus. What exactly did it do to him? What was going to happen to him? Was he turning into a xenomorph or being broken down like what happens to the Engineers when they are exposed to it? He was becoming mutated like Fifield.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 4, 2017 16:23:52 GMT
What exactly did it do to him? What was going to happen to him? Was he turning into a xenomorph or being broken down like what happens to the Engineers when they are exposed to it? He was becoming mutated like Fifield. I think that makes sense, yeah. My question is, mutating into what? A deacon? Because the mural on the wall in the ship clearly indicates the black goo turns people into xenos. Not David's kind with exoskeleton, but something similar to the deacon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 16:31:26 GMT
He was becoming mutated like Fifield. I think that makes sense, yeah. My question is, mutating into what? A deacon? Because the mural on the wall in the ship clearly indicates the black goo turns people into xenos. Not David's kind with exoskeleton, but something similar to the deacon. I'd like to think that Deacon is unique. Given that he is the product of infected sperm which turned into the trilobite which infected the engineer to produce him. Small amounts of the black goo appear to be a mutagen. They turn worms into those snake-type things and humans into hulks with elongated skulls?
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 4, 2017 16:42:34 GMT
I think that makes sense, yeah. My question is, mutating into what? A deacon? Because the mural on the wall in the ship clearly indicates the black goo turns people into xenos. Not David's kind with exoskeleton, but something similar to the deacon. I'd like to think that Deacon is unique. Given that he is the product of infected sperm which turned into the trilobite which infected the engineer to produce him. Small amounts of the black goo appear to be a mutagen. They turn worms into those snake-type things and humans into hulks with elongated skulls? Then what do you think is this supposed to be?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 16:59:47 GMT
I'd like to think that Deacon is unique. Given that he is the product of infected sperm which turned into the trilobite which infected the engineer to produce him. Small amounts of the black goo appear to be a mutagen. They turn worms into those snake-type things and humans into hulks with elongated skulls? Then what do you think is this supposed to be? Yeah, you got me there. That does look like Deacon. I guess the goo changes you into the hulk but if you copulate early in your infection you produce a trilobite which searches for a host, perhaps even the mother of the trilobite, given how it was going for Shaw at the moment of 'birth'. David seems to have taken the copulation out of the life cycle in creating the Alien that we know.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 22, 2017 12:27:19 GMT
I just read up on it, this ties it together nicely...still a shame Covenant lacked any suspense or tension and everything just happens..
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