PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 11:12:57 GMT
Its a small price to pay for getting out of an imperialist and neoliberal bloc. Yes how we hate those neo-liberals with their insistence on worker's rights, freedom of movement, financial support for neglected regions and environmental protections! Have you actually read the treaty of lisbon? No. of references to banks and and banking system: 144 No. of references to citizens: 35 So progressive!
|
|
|
Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 9, 2017 11:18:40 GMT
Yes how we hate those neo-liberals with their insistence on worker's rights, freedom of movement, financial support for neglected regions and environmental protections! Have you actually read the treaty of lisbon? No. of references to banks and and banking system: 144 No. of references to citizens: 35 So progressive! Not all references are created equal.
Don't worry though, May had plans to repeal human rights legislation and pull out of the Human Rights Court. It is amazing what one can do when one pulls the drawbridge up. Curse those imperialists for having an elected parliament and European-wde democratic elections!
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 11:21:04 GMT
More gains for Sf, it seems there is a united ireland in the air. I think we are closer to a UI then we ever have been. I'm not sure I see it quite that way.
Since SF don't take seats in Westminster, them doing well doesn't give them any political power and actually gives the Tories an effective majority which they will further bolster by an alliance with DUP of all people.
In fact, by standing SF have taken seats that would have otherwise gone to the SDLP (including gifting South Belfast to the DUP since they ran a no-hoper SF candidate where it was tight between SDLP and DUP), who would have taken their seats and supported Labour over the Tories as well as campaigning for Irish nationalism. So SF doing well in Westminster is effectively a blow to both left-wing politics and Irish nationalism.
would sinn fein taking their seats even give labour the majority? Any Irish party that has ever taken their seats in Westminster has made fuck all of a difference. Only now for the first time in all the 96 years since partition can Irish parties make a difference
|
|
|
Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 9, 2017 11:23:38 GMT
Update: May will attempt to form a government propped up by the NI DUP votes to make up the numbers she needs. This means that a hard border between Eire and NI (the only land one between the UK and the EU) is even more contentious. If there is to be the 'hard Brexit' she wants, or there is no deal, then that border will inevitably return with all the trimmings of customs, delays and tariffs - not something most people over there want...
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 11:24:21 GMT
Have you actually read the treaty of lisbon? No. of references to banks and and banking system: 144 No. of references to citizens: 35 So progressive! Not all references are created equal.
Don't worry though, May had plans to repeal human rights legislation and pull out of the Human Rights Court. It is amazing what one can do when one pulls the drawbridge up. Curse those imperialists for having an elected parliament and European-wde democratic elections!
Of course banks are more important then the workers as we all know. Sure the tories have constantly shown that they despise the working class of the UK but when the UK becomes a sovreign state it can actually create a workers paradise instead of being forced to comply with what the imperialists in brussels want. only something like 8 percent of MePs are elected by the UK, so clearly the european parliament is anti-democracy ThV ultimate aim of the bureaucrats in brussels is the creation of a european superstate
|
|
The Lost One
Junior Member
@lostkiera
Posts: 2,695
Likes: 1,331
|
Post by The Lost One on Jun 9, 2017 11:25:02 GMT
Yes how we hate those neo-liberals with their insistence on worker's rights Re the EU mandated worker's rights they were only introduced in the 90s and were largely just reflections of things already enshrined in domestic legislation. They're also not enforced very strongly - Major was able to refuse to accept any them. Blair and Brown only adopted some. Cameron would have ditched some of those had the In vote won as part of the renegotiations he was promised. Freedom of movement was a tactic used to drive down wages. I have no problem with immigration but the EU is not doing it for the good of the immigrants or the natives. The EU's stance on immigration where it is of no financial advantage to the neoliberals can be seen by their Fortress Europe policies. Apart from the ones they enforce harsh austerity measures on of course. Greece being the most obvious example. I'll give you that one - but it can still be mirrored in domestic legislation if we want. We just need to stop voting for Tory twats. How much say did "we" ever have in them anyway? The EU parliament had little power, the EU council had the real power and it was incredibly inflexible.
|
|
The Lost One
Junior Member
@lostkiera
Posts: 2,695
Likes: 1,331
|
Post by The Lost One on Jun 9, 2017 11:29:16 GMT
would sinn fein taking their seats even give labour the majority? No, but it would stop the Tories having an effective majority. They would also be able to influence votes where the Tories are divided. They would also stop the sole voice for NI in Westminster being a unionist one.
|
|
|
Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 9, 2017 11:30:36 GMT
Not all references are created equal.
Don't worry though, May had plans to repeal human rights legislation and pull out of the Human Rights Court. It is amazing what one can do when one pulls the drawbridge up. Curse those imperialists for having an elected parliament and European-wde democratic elections!
Of course banks are more important then the workers as we all know. Sure the tories have constantly shown that they despise the working class of the UK but when the UK becomes a sovreign state it can actually create a workers paradise instead of being forced to comply with what the imperialists in brussels want. only 8 percent of MePs are elected by the UK, so clearly the vuropean parliament is anti Democracy Yes and Wales only sends a few MPs to the UK Parliament, so that is clearly 'anti-democracy' too..
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 11:31:19 GMT
would sinn fein taking their seats even give labour the majority? No, but it would stop the Tories having an effective majority. They would also be able to influence votes where the Tories are divided. They would also stop the sole voice for NI in Westminster being a unionist one. true. I am not an absenteeist so I agree with that.
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 11:34:08 GMT
Of course banks are more important then the workers as we all know. Sure the tories have constantly shown that they despise the working class of the UK but when the UK becomes a sovreign state it can actually create a workers paradise instead of being forced to comply with what the imperialists in brussels want. only 8 percent of MePs are elected by the UK, so clearly the vuropean parliament is anti Democracy Yes and Wales only sends a few MPs to the UK Parliament, so that is clearly 'anti-democracy' too..
well if you believe the UK is a nation and its people are homgenous then no, if you are a welsh nationalist then yes. The UK itself is an imperialist bloc. I support Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Manx, english and Cornish liberation i.e independance
|
|
|
Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 9, 2017 11:45:14 GMT
Yes and Wales only sends a few MPs to the UK Parliament, so that is clearly 'anti-democracy' too..
well if you believe the UK is a nation and its people are homgenous then no, if you are a welsh nationalist then yes. The UK itself is an imperialist bloc. I support Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Manx, english and Cornish liberation i.e independence
Yes quite right, and also for The Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Wessex, and Greater London! What did the Romans ever do for us?
*Edited since you already had Cornwall...
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 11:48:44 GMT
well if you believe the UK is a nation and its people are homgenous then no, if you are a welsh nationalist then yes. The UK itself is an imperialist bloc. I support Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Manx, english and Cornish liberation i.e independence
Yes quite right, and also for Cornwall, Wessex, and Greater London! What did the Romans ever do for us?
No, only for Kernow.
|
|
|
Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 9, 2017 11:52:26 GMT
Yes quite right, and also for Cornwall, Wessex, and Greater London! What did the Romans ever do for us?
No, only for Kernow. Wasn't he in the Muppets?
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 11:56:52 GMT
Wasn't he in the Muppets? No, she is a nation. Delivra Kernow!
|
|
|
Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 9, 2017 12:05:51 GMT
Wasn't he in the Muppets? No, she is a nation. Delivra Kernow! A fine Bentalls shopping centre and local empowerment. What a combination.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 14:50:42 GMT
But calling this election seems likely to go down in history as the greatest political mistake of the last thirty years or more. Some can think of a bigger one, only a few months back. Already addressed that.
|
|
|
Post by cupcakes on Jun 9, 2017 17:43:14 GMT
tpfkar Can always count on you for the deep and incisive analysis. Does a banana have a brain and organs too? Yet it shares roughly the same % of DNA to us as a Fruit Fly. The evidence discredits itself.
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 18:27:20 GMT
tpfkar Can always count on you for the deep and incisive analysis. Does a banana have a brain and organs too? Yet it shares roughly the same % of DNA to us as a Fruit Fly. The evidence discredits itself.Just educating the masses as I always do.
|
|
|
Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 9, 2017 18:27:56 GMT
Yes how we hate those neo-liberals with their insistence on worker's rights, freedom of movement, financial support for neglected regions and environmental protections! Have you actually read the treaty of lisbon? No. of references to banks and and banking system: 144 No. of references to citizens: 35 So progressive! Have you read it? No need to answer, of course you haven't, you cribbed that info from elsewhere.
|
|
PanLeo
Sophomore
@saoradh
Posts: 919
Likes: 53
|
Post by PanLeo on Jun 9, 2017 18:32:09 GMT
Have you actually read the treaty of lisbon? No. of references to banks and and banking system: 144 No. of references to citizens: 35 So progressive! Have you read it? No need to answer, of course you haven't, you cribbed that info from elsewhere. nice ad hominem. The eU clearly doesnt give much of a fuck about its own citizens
|
|