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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 11, 2017 1:47:48 GMT
Honestly, I really feel like it's going to be another miss for DC, especially considering it has been mentioned that there's a lot of reshoots going on right now. But here's the main problem they're going to face that they ran into in BvS that I'm afraid they're going to run into again with this; It's a film for the fans, not the audience. I'm sorry, but every adaptions from comics and books and other material should have some sort of accessibility for audience without actually having to read the source material. They obviously don't have to explain every little detail beat-to-beat, but you can't just put something in the film and then have no explanation or pay off to it, i.e, Flash time travel scene, Batman apocalyptic future, why Superman was evil, Parademons and Motherboxes. There's going to be a lot of stuff going on in Justice League. Its fairly convoluted, and I feel like there are some important details audience may not know about that wont get some kind of proper explanation or pay off to it. Wonder Woman worked so well because there wasn't any details or plot points that were left hanging or unexplained in a way. I hope I'm wrong with Justice League and this can be a great movie, but if it doesn't turn out well, they need to rethink their strategy, and from what I read, DC is waiting to see how Justice League performs before moving on.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jun 11, 2017 1:52:24 GMT
one might suggest that with Snyder stepping down and Whedon taking over that the reshoots will likely be beneficial.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 11, 2017 1:54:49 GMT
one might suggest that with Snyder stepping down and Whedon taking over that the reshoots will likely be beneficial. Yeah, but as some might say, if it isn't great, it's just basically polishing a turd |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 11, 2017 1:58:17 GMT
Well, I think there is a good chance that it won't be as good as Wonder Woman but that doesn't mean it will be a bad movie.
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Post by brownstones on Jun 11, 2017 2:18:16 GMT
Well, some feel Cap2 is better than The Avengers or AoU, but that doesn't make them bad films.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 2:28:18 GMT
Not with Snyder having directed most of it. That man is an incompetent baboon.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 11, 2017 3:32:40 GMT
I heard that as well. Johns has hinted at better things to come so we'll see.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 11, 2017 3:46:59 GMT
If it's as good as Wonder Woman, then Marvel has a legitimate threat.
I just saw it. It exceeded my expectations in every way.
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Post by northernlad on Jun 11, 2017 4:50:15 GMT
I have doubts...still. I want it to be as good as WW that's for sure. But like you said one problem with BvS is that they included stuff in it that only comic book fans would only get. You can't really do that with these movies...they have to sale to the public in a very general way. And if Steppenwolf is the main villain in it...that worries me. I had never heard of him until last year right after BvS...and I only heard of him because I was reading what other comic book fans were writing about him.
And then there is the fact that the movie still has Snyder behind it. While I liked MoS and BvS...both movies seem to have the life sucked right out of them. They're suffocating at times on their on seriousness.
I can only hope for better.
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Post by chatterer on Jun 11, 2017 6:47:25 GMT
In Geoff Johns I trust.
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Post by gromel on Jun 11, 2017 9:10:33 GMT
Reportedly, Whedon is doing extensive reshoots.
So probably yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 16:00:30 GMT
I doubt it but we shall see.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 11, 2017 19:07:37 GMT
according to what criteria...? WW is the third best reviewed CBM ever, and regarded as a historic genre milestone. So there is only little chance that JL will reach those heights. JL film should rather strive to be a good product on it's own terms. I just hope that Weedon does not mess it up with misplaced humor, quips and too much levity. I am a fan of some of his works but Age of Ultron felt stale like a bad joke told too many times.  |
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 11, 2017 19:19:26 GMT
Honestly it looks like an MCU film,forced humor and what not,thats why I found DR Strange and Guardians 2 somewhat disappointing. WW actually had a good tone,I think JL is gonna shit on WW.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 11, 2017 19:43:20 GMT
according to what criteria...? WW is the third best reviewed CBM ever, and regarded as a historic genre milestone. So there is only little chance that JL will reach those heights. JL film should rather strive to be a good product on it's own terms. I just hope that Weedon does not mess it up with misplaced humor, quips and too much levity. I am a fan of some of his works but Age of Ultron felt stale like a bad joke told too many times. Where the hell are you getting this 3rd best rating from? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 11, 2017 19:52:37 GMT
according to what criteria...? WW is the third best reviewed CBM ever, and regarded as a historic genre milestone. So there is only little chance that JL will reach those heights. JL film should rather strive to be a good product on it's own terms. I just hope that Weedon does not mess it up with misplaced humor, quips and too much levity. I am a fan of some of his works but Age of Ultron felt stale like a bad joke told too many times. Where the hell are you getting this 3rd best rating from? really? There have been threads on this on all 3 SH forums (I might have originated one or two of them). Simmer down, hell hath nothing to do with it, here you are: editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/Adjusted RT scores based on the Bayesian weighted formula to create equal conditions. Yields interesting results that, huh? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 0:16:55 GMT
You needn't listen to the pig's squeals, skaathar. Its just noise pollution.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 12, 2017 5:26:43 GMT
Where the hell are you getting this 3rd best rating from? really? There have been threads on this on all 3 SH forums (I might have originated one or two of them). Simmer down, hell hath nothing to do with it, here you are: editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/50-best-superhero-movies-of-all-time/5/Adjusted RT scores based on the Bayesian weighted formula to create equal conditions. Yields interesting results that, huh? So you're using the tomatometer? Then that simply means it's the 3rd freshest superhero movie of all time (and that's only if you used their adjusted bayesan scoring system). I hope you understand how Rotten Tomatoes does their fresh/rotten scoring, it's not actually a number that says how good a movie is, merely what percentage of critics gave it a pass. A better metric would be the average rating because that actually takes into account the quality of the movie, in which case I don't think WW comes in at 3rd place. A brief check put on tied with a lot of other superhero movies. And that's only RT scores. If you want to keep brandishing that "3rd best superhero movie" flag of yours you'd need to consider other metrics like IMDB and metacritic, as well as the biggest metric of all: box office numbers. So yeah, unless you want to consider all these other variables, lay off on your exaggerated praise. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 12, 2017 8:20:34 GMT
So you're using the tomatometer? Then that simply means it's the 3rd freshest superhero movie of all time (and that's only if you used their adjusted bayesan scoring system). I hope you understand how Rotten Tomatoes does their fresh/rotten scoring, it's not actually a number that says how good a movie is, merely what percentage of critics gave it a pass. A better metric would be the average rating because that actually takes into account the quality of the movie, in which case I don't think WW comes in at 3rd place. A brief check put on tied with a lot of other superhero movies. And that's only RT scores. If you want to keep brandishing that "3rd best superhero movie" flag of yours you'd need to consider other metrics like IMDB and metacritic, as well as the biggest metric of all: box office numbers. So yeah, unless you want to consider all these other variables, lay off on your exaggerated praise. aww, facts suck, especially when published by the world's biggest review aggregator, huh? But there are always the ways of shifting goalposts, personal incredulity and no true Scotsman to accomodate personal bias, isn't there?
I honestly think you are better than that, dude. So unless you wish to further dwell in the butthurt fanboy pool with the raptor and his lowbrow ilk, lay off the fallacies, gentlemen agree on fact. 
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jun 12, 2017 9:03:20 GMT
So you're using the tomatometer? Then that simply means it's the 3rd freshest superhero movie of all time (and that's only if you used their adjusted bayesan scoring system). I hope you understand how Rotten Tomatoes does their fresh/rotten scoring, it's not actually a number that says how good a movie is, merely what percentage of critics gave it a pass. A better metric would be the average rating because that actually takes into account the quality of the movie, in which case I don't think WW comes in at 3rd place. A brief check put on tied with a lot of other superhero movies. And that's only RT scores. If you want to keep brandishing that "3rd best superhero movie" flag of yours you'd need to consider other metrics like IMDB and metacritic, as well as the biggest metric of all: box office numbers. So yeah, unless you want to consider all these other variables, lay off on your exaggerated praise.
Skathaar: Calling Donald Trump the American President may be exaggerated praise too, he lost the popular vote, did he not? But in the end he is the President under the applicable voting system. It may not be in line with our personal views and taste, but it is a fact and reality we must face as grown ups. Whining and special pleading will not help. Same with ratings published by the worlds biggest review site, if that - damn overrated, but universally accepted - adjusted Tomatometer spits out these results, we must live by them, even if we think to know better. |
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