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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 13, 2017 18:44:20 GMT
Im not saying Lebron is the worst player in the NBA ffs. Hell, he'd be my SF in an all NBA team. (Bird would back him). Im just saying I have a hard time comparing Jordan, a clutch guy who would step on a baby to win vs a guy with really no clutch or killer instinct.
Does that mean Lebron isnt a hall of famer or his jersey shouldnt be retired, hell no. He is one of the best talents the NBA has ever seen, I just think comparing him to Jordan isnt fair to Michael. PF - Tim Duncan and man that's hard.
My SG would def be Jordan, probably Kobe backing him. PG - Magic
Not sure whod be my backup PF/PG.
C would be Hakeem (IM a Houston guy, let me have my biased ways on this) and either Kareem or Shaq backing him.
BTW I KNOW IM BIASED ON OLAJUWON, so please dont give me,"he isnt a top two center," I could make a case maybe 2-3, but I know. So Im fully admitting I got my biases with Hakeem.
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Post by ctown28 on Jun 13, 2017 18:51:43 GMT
The whole Michael vs Lebron thing is a stupid discussion just like the whole Montana vs Brady thing is a stupid discussion. You are talking about two players from completely different eras. It's not comparable as the game is different now then it was then.
Like many have mentioned, the whole work ethic is completely different. When Jordan played, him and others loved the game and played for love of the gaem, now its more of a business for these guys.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 20:35:54 GMT
the "old" Spurs? That team everyone wrote off every year The team that's won 5 NBA Championships since 1999 and had the greatest power forward in NBA history (Tim Duncan) and 1 of the best all-around players in the NBA (Kawhi Leonard). Lost to the Mavs, a joke. I already said that the lost to the Mavs is inexcusable because the Heat was supposed to be the better team and was the favorite over the Mavs. Neither LeBron nor any other athlete in any sport can claim they're the best in their sport when they lose the championship to an inferior team. Jordan would never lose the NBA Finals to an inferior team. He had the talent to beat both GSW and Spurs. GSW has had the best record in the NBA for 3 straight years. They clearly have the best talent in the NBA and only a dumb-ass would say that anybody has as much talent as GSW has. And like I said, the Spurs have won 5 NBA Championships since 1999 and had the greatest power forward in NBA history (Tim Duncan) and 1 of the best all-around players in the NBA (Kawhi Leonard). In the end, the convo is over. He isnt as good as Jordan, nor was he ever. Like I said, it never started, at least IMO. I've always considered Jordan to be better than LeBron.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
GSW fans online saying being up 3-1 to win redeems up 3-1 & losing. No. As a GSW fan, I say No, nothing makes up for being up 3-1 in the NBA Finals and losing. Just like nothing makes up for the Patriots being 18*-0 and losing the Super Bowl to a double-digit underdog.
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Post by marsexplorer on Jun 13, 2017 20:48:02 GMT
BTW I KNOW IM BIASED ON OLAJUWON, so please dont give me,"he isnt a top two center," I could make a case maybe 2-3, but I know. So Im fully admitting I got my biases with Hakeem. There is no shame in choosing Olajuwon, heck he owned Shaq and David Robinson. I loved him watching play. Great Great talent. Here are a couple of things people in the know said about him: Hakeem? You don't solve Hakeem. - David Robinson We did everthing. We put four bodies on him. We helped from different angles. He's just a great player. - Pat Riley I say he is a solid choice.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 20:52:48 GMT
It's odd when some of the members on this board still bring up the Patriots going 18-1. They've won two Super Bowls (including the greatest SB comeback of all time) since then. It would be like Yankee fans still trying to taunt Red Sox fans with '1918' chants, it makes no sense. It makes perfect sense. The Patriots had a chance to go 19*-0, the greatest season in NFL history. But they choked. A 19*-0 season would put you above all other teams in NFL history (including the 17-0 Dolphins). No amount of Super Bowl wins makes up for choking away a 19*-0 season. Warriors fans, like Patriots fans, have to live with having the best regular season team not to win a title; but it's easier to shrug off with each subsequent title your team accumulates. As a Warriors fan, I say "BULLSHIT!" Maybe Patriots fans tell themselves that it's easy to shrug off a 19*-0 season so that they can feel better. But as a Warriors fan, I say winning another championship doesn't make it any easy to shrug off losing the championship after winning 73 games and being up 3-1 in the NBA Finals. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity at greatness that was lost, just like 18*-1 was. Same with the Cowboys in the 1990s. The 1992 and 1993 Cowboys won the Super Bowl. The 1994 Cowboys went to the NFC Championship Game and lost to the 49ers. The 1995 Cowboys won the Super Bowl. Winning the Super Bowl in 1995 doesn't make up for losing in 1994. Had the Cowboys beaten the 49ers in the 1994 NFC Championship Game, the Cowboys would've destroyed the Chargers in the Super Bowl and would've won an unprecedented 4 straight Super Bowls. Neither the Cowboys nor any other NFL team will probably ever come that close again to winning 4 straight Super Bowls so it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity at greatness that was lost.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 20:57:18 GMT
I agree withthis 100%. It's not redemption, its not vindication it is nothing but the past. It's over and they responded by winning it all this year. As a Warriors fan, I say "BULLSHIT!" Maybe Patriots fans tell themselves that it's easy to shrug off a 19*-0 season so that they can feel better. But as a Warriors fan, I say winning another championship doesn't make it any easy to shrug off losing the championship after winning 73 games and being up 3-1 in the NBA Finals. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity at greatness that was lost, just like 18*-1 was. Same with the Cowboys in the 1990s. The 1992 and 1993 Cowboys won the Super Bowl. The 1994 Cowboys went to the NFC Championship Game and lost to the 49ers. The 1995 Cowboys won the Super Bowl. Winning the Super Bowl in 1995 doesn't make up for losing in 1994. Had the Cowboys beaten the 49ers in the 1994 NFC Championship Game, the Cowboys would've destroyed the Chargers in the Super Bowl and would've won an unprecedented 4 straight Super Bowls. Neither the Cowboys nor any other NFL team will probably ever come that close again to winning 4 straight Super Bowls so it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity at greatness that was lost. I have a feeling we will see the same 2 teams for the 4th straight time next year as well. ESPN predicts the Warriors over the Cavs in the 2018 NBA Finals.
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19593085/nba-espn-forecast-predictions-2018-east-west-nba-champions
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 21:06:59 GMT
BTW I KNOW IM BIASED ON OLAJUWON, so please dont give me,"he isnt a top two center," I could make a case maybe 2-3, but I know. So Im fully admitting I got my biases with Hakeem. There is no shame in choosing Olajuwon, heck he owned Shaq and David Robinson. I loved him watching play. Great Great talent. Here are a couple of things people in the know said about him: Hakeem? You don't solve Hakeem. - David Robinson We did everthing. We put four bodies on him. We helped from different angles. He's just a great player. - Pat Riley I say he is a solid choice. Agreed. If I were picking 12 guys for my All-time NBA team, I would definitely have Hakeem on my team. I would have Kareem as my starting center though, but Hakeem would definitely be on my team.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 13, 2017 21:36:19 GMT
Umm, I named Duncan as my best PF of all time, I loved the Spurs, if my Rockets lost, Spurs where my 1B team. (Gotta keep it in Texas, I hate all Dallas teams though. My favorites are always Astros/rockets/astros, and my 1b...I got no one for the NFL, Spurs/Rangers for MLB. But if it's Spurs Vs Rockets or Astros Vs Rangers, I always got Houston) Regardless, you quoted how "ESPN" predicted Warriors over Cavs, ok, and they all would say how SA was old and slow. Id watch sports shows, and while Bayless (Skip) loves SA, everyone would laugh at him and call them old and weak. I agree, I just think people make way too many excuses for Lebron. If Lebron is the best, THE BEST EVER, how is ESPN saying GSW > Cavs. I get it it's a team game, but this isnt the NFL, NBA one player can impact a game much more than the NFL (Maybe - the QB, still). It isnt like Lebron was "all alone," like his first sweep NBA finals. Miami was still dang talented in 2014. Yes, this is your MO. Call anyone a dumbass who disagrees with you. Only a dumbass would think Cleveland isnt talented. Only a dumbass would pretend Lebron is even in the same league as Jordan. Only dumbasses make excuses after excuses for Lebron, are you related to Shannon Sharpe? Regardless, Lebron, Kyrie, Love, Thompson, R. Jefferson, what is left of Deron Williams, Shumpert, JR Smith, K. Korver, Frye...that's some decent depth. Am I saying GSW isnt talented, hell no, they got massive talent. To pretend Cleveland isnt with the "best player ever" is insanely goofy. Is GSW talented, yes, but a lot of people before the season didnt like the depth they gave up to nab Durant. THAT IS WHAT I FN SAID, wtf are you even going on about? I simply said I believe, imo, the Lebron is just as superior to Jordan is over, and at the end, you say,"he isnt as good as Jordan, nor was he ever?" So after all this, in the end, youre basically saying what I am. I also never thought Lebron was superior or equal to Jordan and got tired of hearing the comparisons. I never said,"Lebron sucks," when I have him in my "all NBA team" that's pretty fn good. Magic J M. Jordan Lebron James Tim Duncan Hakeem Olajuwon Backups: While it should be Oscar, F it, Im gonna go Curry as my backup. The 3s he can hit...yea. While I agree, should be Oscar, IM having fun. Kobe Bryant Larry Bird Karl Malone Kareem My backup backups Oscar Robinson Clyde Drexler (Massive part of our back to back titles, I believe we wouldnt have went back to back without the Thorpe for Drexler deal) Kevin Durant (Jury is still out, I can def change this) Wilt C. (IDC if he isnt a PF, heck with it!) Shaq (I know, im a big cheater, Wilt isnt a PF, idc!) So yea, Lebron is in my ALL NBA team. He could do some dirty stuff, but if it comes to the final shot....yo Jordan, hit it. Or throw it in the post to Hakeem. Now: NFL things happen man, one game, one. Giants had a beast defensive line, and they could rest a guy, put another one in. Giants were hot and better than you give them credit for. You can say that, but Im sure GSW fans are happy today. Youre a warriors fan and a Dallas fan!? Man, im not trying to be mean but you seem like one of those band wagoner fans brother. Have some pride in your city. I like GSW, I wanted them to win (Wanted Durant to get his chip) but my heart was gone when Rockets went out. Still, would it have been nice to 3 peat, of course, but still, Im sure GSW can live with 2 of 3. Im sure NE can live with 2 more super bowls. Sure it does, they still won a title. Would it be nice to win them all, sure, but it's still nice. Well, it's okay, youre getting to see the greatness of GSW and NE! We know you love NE DC-Fan______________ Man I own so much stuff from our back to back titles. I remember players saying,"Hakeem was MAD and he rarely got mad when he felt NBA gave David his MVP." My lord did he show it. I never seen a guy dominate like he did to poor David, it was something to witness. Not only that, his team beat Ewing, Robinson, and a young Shaq, still Shaq. My heart always goes for Hakeem and him bringing us back to back titles to Houston.....but I gotta give Drexler love too. Without that Otis for Drexler deal, I truly believe we dont go back to back. Clyde brought heart and he wanted that chip that Jordan denied him a few years back. He was a huge part of that title and gave us life. It was so awesome to see them (Hakeem/Drexler) get that chip together, when they got that massive upset in NCAA Finals. It was a great thing to see as a Houston fan marsexplorer
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 22:32:14 GMT
Regardless, you quoted how "ESPN" predicted Warriors over Cavs, ok, and they all would say how SA was old and slow. Id watch sports shows, and while Bayless (Skip) loves SA, everyone would laugh at him and call them old and weak. ESPN has predicted Warriors and Cavs since 2015. But not in 2014, when the Spurs were the best team in the NBA. In 2014, the Spurs were 62-20 while the Heat were 54-28. A difference of 8 games. So the Spurs were clearly the better team and it's excusable to lose the championship to a better team. It's not excusable to lose the championship to an inferior team, like the 2011 Mavs. Like I said before, neither LeBron nor any other athlete in any sport can claim they're the best in their sport when they lose the championship to an inferior team. If Lebron is the best, THE BEST EVER, how is ESPN saying GSW > Cavs. I get it it's a team game, but this isnt the NFL, NBA one player can impact a game much more than the NFL (Maybe - the QB, still). It isnt like Lebron was "all alone," like his first sweep NBA finals. Miami was still dang talented in 2014. But still not as good as San Antonio in 2014. Like I said before, San Antonio was 62-20 while Miami was 54-28. A difference of 8 games. Only a dumbass would think Cleveland isnt talented. But still not as talented as or as good as Golden State. Only a dumbass would pretend Lebron is even in the same league as Jordan. Like I said before, I've always considered Jordan to be better than LeBron. Kyrie, Love, Thompson, R. Jefferson, what is left of Deron Williams, Shumpert, JR Smith, K. Korver, Frye...that's some decent depth. That's still not as talented as Curry, Klay Thompson, Green, Iguadola, and oh yeah, Kevin Durant. Is GSW talented, yes, but a lot of people before the season didnt like the depth they gave up to nab Durant. Well, let's do a comparison. The 2015-16 Warriors' bench had: Andre Iguadola Shaun Livingston Leandro Barbosa Ian Clark Festus Ezeli Kevon Looney James Michael McAdoo Brandon Rush Marreese Speights Anderson Varejao The 2016-17 Warriors' bench had: Andre Iguadola Shaun Livingston Matt Barnes Ian Clark Kevon Looney James Michael McAdoo Patrick McCaw JaVale McGee Zaza Pachulia David West The Warriors kept their top 2 bench guys (Iguadola and Livingston). The other bench players that left didn't have the impact that Iguadola and Livingston had and were replaceable. So the Warriors really only gave up starters Andrew Bogut and Harrison Barnes to get Kevin Durant. I think the addition of Durant more than makes up for the loss of Bogut and Barnes. you seem like one of those band wagoner fans brother. Have some pride in your city. I live in San Francisco so the Warriors are the closest NBA team. And the Warriors are moving from Oakland across the bay to San Francisco starting with the 2018-19 season. And if I were a bandwagoner, I would've jumped on the 49ers' bandwagon when they won 4 Super Bowls in the 1980s. But I didn't jump on the 49ers' bandwagon. Im sure NE can live with 2 more super bowls. That's the difference between NE and Dallas. NE settles for underachievement. The Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years in the 1990s, but I'm not satisfied with that. The Cowboys should've won 4 straight Super Bowls. Had the Cowboys beaten the 49ers in the 1994 NFC Championship Game, the Cowboys would've destroyed the Chargers in the Super Bowl and would've won an unprecedented 4 straight Super Bowls. No team will ever come that close again to winning 4 straight Super Bowls so that was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that was lost.
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Post by ctown28 on Jun 13, 2017 22:33:19 GMT
This ranks right up there with some of the stupidest things you've come up with. How does winning the following season not make up for failure from the previous season? What are teams supposed to do? Just give up and completely rebuild each year they don't win a championship?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 22:37:49 GMT
Neither LeBron nor any other athlete in any sport can claim they're the best in their sport when they lose the championship to an inferior team. Jordan would never lose the NBA Finals to an inferior team. Is this your sneaky way of saying Tom Brady can never call himself the greatest? Lost to inferior Giants teams... twice! I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mention it, Yes the same thing applies to Brady. Brady is even worse than LeBron. LeBron lost 1 championship to an inferior team. Brady lost 2 championships to inferior teams (and 1 of those 2 inferior teams was 1 of the biggest underdogs in Super Bowl history) so (like LeBron) Brady can't be considered the best since he lost not 1 but 2 championships to inferior teams.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 13, 2017 23:39:56 GMT
I dont even get what Im debating WHEN WE BOTH SAID Jordan > Lebron. This is now ticky tacky stuff you just said,"Like I said, it never started, at least IMO. I've always considered Jordan to be better than LeBron." THAT'S ALL IM SAYING DC-Fan I didnt say,"Lebron is trash, worst NBA player ever,' he's in my all star time roster. We are both saying Jordan > Lebron, so idk what we are arguing, we disagree on the NE $hit idk, maybe you dislike me because of the NE thing and think I <3 NE (I just respect great teams, to anyone who is paying attention, I live and breath Houston teams) when I dont. I respect Brady has 5 rings, that isnt easy, if it was, more QBs would have that. So maybe you wanna disagree with me to disagree, but we are disagreeing bout little baby details here. All I said is I am tired and I felt the Lebron = Jordan convo is over, and you basically felt the same (Hell you felt it never should have started, and I AGREE!) So ok.... Records dont always = best team. YOU (Hate to go to football) but you talk about NE getting an easy schedule, or this or that team getting an easy schedule. Records always dont tell the entire story. SO just because one team has a better record than another, no, it isnt always excusable. Lebron put together some good fn squads. I just think the Lebron fans always make excuses for him, he's the best right? Look at the end of that GSW game, dude got in the lane, over powered at will. Where was that guy during game 1, 2, and 3? You know what isnt inexcusable? Lebrons poor Free Throw shooting...that's game killers. Ehhhh it happens. Again, Lebron should have won that series, but choke jobs happen. Jordan wouldnt have done that, and that's all Im saying. The Lebron = Jordan must end. Lebron is still a great player, not the "Greatest." Records dont = everything. San Antonio was talented, no doubt, but Lebron was the best player on the court. Now if Duncan was 10 years younger, okay, lets talk. GSW is easily now to call them the best team, they just won a title. Pretending Cleveland doesnt even belong on the same floor as GSW is silly. Game 1 and 2, blow out. Anyone could have won game 3. Game 4, all Cleveland. Look at game 5.....Cleveland was up by 8. Than all the sudden GSW just went on one of their kill shot runs, Cleveland goes up 8 to down by 17!? Where was that Lebron who got in the lane at ease? Where was that guy, he should have stopped the bleeding, and jesus, call a time out Lue. I mean GSW basically played little ball with : Curry/Klay/Igoudala/Durant/Green Zaza played 9 mins, Livingston and West both played 10, and McCaw played 11. (Barnes got his big min in!) If there was a dominating center I feel you could take this team apart. Love and Thompson should have done much better than they did. Cleveland had some talent man. Im hearing they wanna trade Love/Shumpert for maybe P. George, and that be interesting. Smith would be a 6th man, and I think hed be better suited. It have to be: Kyrie/George/Lebron/Thompson/? Im not sure what they do, or go small ball back and do: Kyrie/George/Smith/Lebron/Thompson, Im not sure about that. Im sure theyd find a piece in the offseason. We agreee, which is why Im confused about this entire conversation. Again all I said is I believe the Lebron = Jordan convos should now be done and over with. Lets compare. Kyrie Vs Curry - I heard a lot of people saying before the series, Kyrie out played Curry. Look at last season, Kyrie came up much bigger than Curry. So those two are massively = imo. Durant and Lebron - People say Lebron is the most talented in the NBA. Maybe Durant is surpassing him, but on paper (IM DISCUSSING BEFORE THIS SERIES BEGAN) all I heard was Lebron is the best player on the court. Love and Green = This is close, and it depends what you want. Love is probably a better scorer he is a walking double double. Green is by far a better passer and better at defense and the "little" unnoticeable doesnt show up in the stat sheet type stuff. So it all depends what your flavor is. Klay Vs JR Smith - Yea, Ill take Klay over Smith....but man when Smith is hot, he is hot. When he is cold...he is cold. Klay is more consistent. Igoudala Vs Korver/ - Yea, Id take Igoudala as my 6th man. No doubt. Tristian Thompson Vs McGee and ZaZa - LMAO, no fn contest. Thompson all day, everyday. Livingston Vs Deron = It's hard man, Deron def isnt what he used to be. Yea, Id probably take Livingston That's the main roster. So ON PAPER, it isnt as dominate as people think. Durant and Lebron most probably take Lebron. Curry and Kyrie, before the series people said Kyrie has Curry's number. Green and Love, depends on your cup of tea. Klay > JR Smith no doubt, and Tristian > ZaZa and McGee. Id rather have Igoudala than Korver and Livingston over Deron but again, these guys didnt play MASSIVE minutes. While GSW is probably all around better, it isnt the land slide as people are making it out to be. Bogut was their rim protector. No doubt, like I said, give me Livingston and Igoudala all day. Again, you were talking about ESPN, that's what ESPN was saying before the season. They arent always right on the button. Why are you not a SF fan? If you lived in SF, your teams should be: GSW/Giants/49ers. Where did Dallas come in? Ummm what? NE has won 5 super bowls, the Cowboys have won 5, but NE caught Dallas in just the Tom Brady era. NE is 5-4 and Dallas is 5-3. Tom Brady alone is 5-2 (They lost two when he wasnt there. SBowl 20 to Chicago and 31 to GB. underachievers is what Dallas is now. Since 1998, Dallas's playoff record? 2-8. That's success? They beat Minnesota in 2009 and Detroit in 2014. Spoiler alert, any other Dallas playoff game you watch from 1998 and on, - those two, they lost. This year, best record in the NFC...one and done. This aint the 90s anymore. NE has won 5 super bowls from 2002-2017. That's pretty dang good. You never know....any given Sunday. In the end, they didnt. Theyve won 5 super bowls in their history, and NE has won 5 since 2002 alone. Brady is, like it or not. One is 5-2 The other is 3-5. Brady has won 5 super bowls he is easily on Mount Rushmore of QBs, and easily a top 5 guy. Most people easily put Tom on Mount Rushmore of QBs.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 14, 2017 0:11:56 GMT
I just respect great teams I respect great teams that earn their championships. That's why I hate cheaters and frauds. Because they didn't earn their championships like other great teams did. Brady has 5 rings, that isnt easy Cheating makes it a bit easier. if it was, more QBs would have that. If more QBs cheated like Brady did, then more QBs would've won 5 or more Super Bowls. So maybe you wanna disagree with me to disagree, but we are disagreeing bout little baby details here. All I said is I am tired and I felt the Lebron = Jordan convo is over, and you basically felt the same (Hell you felt it never should have started, and I AGREE!) So ok.... it happens. Again, Lebron should have won that series, but choke jobs happen. Yes, choke jobs happen. But if you're supposed to be the GOAT or if you want to make a claim to being the GOAT, then you're not supposed to choke, especially when playing for a championship against an inferior team. YEs, choke jobs happen, but they should only happen to regular players and not happen to GOATs, especially when playing for a championship against an inferior team. Jordan would never lose a championship to an inferior team. Montana's team was the favorite in every 1 of his Super Bowls and he won every 1 of his Super Bowls. Montana would never lose a championship to an inferior team because that's just something that GOATs don't do. That's why Montana is the GOAT among all QBs in NFL history. San Antonio was talented, no doubt, but Lebron was the best player on the court. You're such a hypocrite! You're basically saying that LeBron has no excuse for losing those NBA Finals to the Spurs in 2014 and to the Warriors in 2015 and 2017 even though the Spurs and Warriors had better teams and were the favorites. But you give Brady a free pass for losing 2 Super Bowls to an inferior team. That's hypocrisy!GSW is easily now to call them the best team, they just won a title. Pretending Cleveland doesnt even belong on the same floor as GSW is silly. Well, GSW and Cleveland have now played 18 NBA Finals games over the past 3 seasons and GSW has won 12 of 18. That's 67%. Look at game 5.....Cleveland was up by 8. In the 2nd quarter. An 8-point lead in the 2nd-quarter doesn't mean much. Love and Thompson should have done much better than they did. But they didn't, because they're not as talented or as good as Durant, Green, and Igoudala. Why are you not a SF fan? If you lived in SF, your teams should be: GSW/Giants/49ers. Where did Dallas come in? I like the Giants and the Warriors but I never liked the 49ers. The 1st Super Bowl I ever watched was Super Bowl (Cowboys-Broncos) so I became a Cowboys fan and have been a Cowboys fan ever since, even through the 1-15 season in 1989. Plus, how can anyone dislike Roger Staubach? Staubach won the Heisman Trophy, graduated from the Naval Academy (like David Robinson did), and served his country during the Vietnam War before leading America's Team to a couple of Super Bowl wins. Brady has won 5 super bowls At least 4 by cheating. So saying that Brady has won 5 Super Bowls is as meaningless as saying that Lance Armstrong has won 7 Tour de France titles or saying that Ben Johnson ran the 100-meter sprint at the 1988 Olympics in a world-record time. Those were all fraudulent achievements that were achieved by cheating.[/quote]
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Post by shadyvsesham on Jun 14, 2017 0:32:48 GMT
Reggie Bush was caught cheating, Pete Rose, caught gambling. Reggie was taken out of the record books, no Heisman trophy. Pete, no records, no hall of fame. Show me where their ring was taken away, it was written out the record books. All you go to do is show me where theyve taken those titles out the record books, like they did with Reggie Bush and his heisman. Like they did with Pete Rose. Just show me one of the five, just one, was taken off the record books. Doubt that, regardless, all you gotta do is show me an asterisk or proof that the super bowl titles didnt count. Lebron is still great, but not the GOAT. He is a damn fine player. I just hate hearing he is superior to Jordan, and he's 3-5 in the finals. Just not a good resume. YEs, choke jobs happen, but they should only happen to regular players and not happen to GOATs, especially when playing for a championship against an inferior team. Jordan would never lose a championship to an inferior team. Montana's team was the favorite in every 1 of his Super Bowls and he won every 1 of his Super Bowls. Montana would never lose a championship to an inferior team because that's just something that GOATs don't do. That's why Montana is the GOAT among all QBs in NFL history. They also blew a 3-1 lead..... They were still up 8. If they didnt belong on the same court, they would just be getting blown out, Cle has some talent. Durant, no. Green....ehh. You cant compare Igoudala to Love or Thompson. Love is a massive talent. Again it all goes to what your flavor is. Interesting, just odd how you love the giants/GSW and Dallas, so weird, but hey, we floats your boat. Lance was stripped of his 7 titles. (A lot of people sadly were cheating, regardless, his titles were all stripped. All taken away). Johnsons record, stripped, gone. Now just show me where Bradys titles are stripped, that's all you got to do DC-Fan
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Post by hehatesshe on Jun 14, 2017 1:45:57 GMT
"Neither LeBron nor any other athlete in any sport can claim they're the best in their sport when they lose the championship to an inferior team."
I'll never understand thus argument of yours. It's ok to lose to an inferior team in the playoffs, but if you lose to one in the finals you are terrible forever and can never live it down?
I know your argument. I don't need you to repeat how the championship is the last and most important game of the year.
In the 1987 playoff habe against MN, when Joe Montana was pulled from the game after a terrible first half, his 13-2 9ers lost to the 8-7 Vikings. Now you can talk about all the excuses you want, but the 9ers were a far superior team than Minnesota. And Joe Montana was dreadful. In his last game, the most important of his season, he laid an egg...at home... against an inferior team.
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Post by ctown28 on Jun 14, 2017 1:59:29 GMT
YEs, choke jobs happen, but they should only happen to regular players and not happen to GOATs, especially when playing for a championship against an inferior team. Jordan would never lose a championship to an inferior team. Montana's team was the favorite in every 1 of his Super Bowls and he won every 1 of his Super Bowls. Montana would never lose a championship to an inferior team because that's just something that GOATs don't do. That's why Montana is the GOAT among all QBs in NFL history. See here's the problem with your thing, you go on and on about cheating but continue to ignore that Montana has admitted to being fully aware of his players using illegal foreign substances to give them an advantage. They it a clear definition of cheating, especially when they admit to it, so how can Montana be the GOAT when he cheated to only win 4? Are you saying that Montana is just a better cheater since they never got caught?
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Post by hehatesshe on Jun 14, 2017 2:22:30 GMT
YEs, choke jobs happen, but they should only happen to regular players and not happen to GOATs, especially when playing for a championship against an inferior team. Jordan would never lose a championship to an inferior team. Montana's team was the favorite in every 1 of his Super Bowls and he won every 1 of his Super Bowls. Montana would never lose a championship to an inferior team because that's just something that GOATs don't do. That's why Montana is the GOAT among all QBs in NFL history. See here's the problem with your thing, you go on and on about cheating but continue to ignore that Montana has admitted to being fully aware of his players using illegal foreign substances to give them an advantage. They it a clear definition of cheating, especially when they admit to it, so how can Montana be the GOAT when he cheated to only win 4? Are you saying that Montana is just a better cheater since they never got caught? You see, he has clarified this. Montana has had concussions, so his memory of his first hand knowledge cannot be trusted.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 14, 2017 2:53:09 GMT
Brady has won 5 super bowls At least 4 by cheating. So saying that Brady has won 5 Super Bowls is as meaningless as saying that Lance Armstrong has won 7 Tour de France titles or saying that Ben Johnson ran the 100-meter sprint at the 1988 Olympics in a world-record time. Those were all fraudulent achievements that were achieved by cheating.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 14, 2017 4:06:11 GMT
Pete Rose, caught gambling. Reggie was taken out of the record books, no Heisman trophy. Pete, no records Pete Rose's records weren't taken out of the record books. MLB still recognizes Pete Rose as their all-time hits leader. MLB also still recognizes every single home run hit during the steroids era. But regardless of all those home runs still being on the record books, every intelligent fan knows that those home run records were achieved by steroids. Likewise, every intelligent fan knows that at least 4 of Brady's Super Bowl wins were achieved by cheating and thus weren't earned. In the 2nd quarter. An 8-point lead in the 2nd quarter of an NBA game isn't much of an indication of which team is better. It can take less than a minute of game time to erase an 8-point lead in the 2nd quarter. If they didnt belong on the same court, they would just be getting blown out They did get blown out. Didn't you see Games 1 and 2? And losing 4 out of 5 games, with 2 of the 4 losses being blowouts, is pretty much getting blown out of the series. just odd how you love the giants/GSW I live in San Francisco. The Giants are the MLB team in San Francisco and GSW is the closest NBA team to San Francisco. Moreover, GSW will be moving from Oakland across the bay to San Francisco starting with the 2018-19 season. Like I said, the first Super Bowl I ever watched was Super Bowl XII (Cowboys vs Broncos). And how can anyone dislike Roger Staubach? Staubach won the Heisman Trophy, graduated from the Naval Academy (just like David Robinson did), and served his country during the Vietnam War before leading America's Team to a couple of Super Bowl wins.
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