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Post by staggerstag on Jun 13, 2017 20:47:10 GMT
After a scything build-up outside the area on '78, free from English interference, Mbappe fed Dembele along the 18 yard line and Dembele finished it off without mercy. Dier and Cahill seemed to make a proper pig's ear of defending that one. Southgate's eleven men 3-2 down to France's ten.
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Post by staggerstag on Jun 13, 2017 20:52:55 GMT
French boss Didier Deschamps traps a wayward ball on the touchline with the kind of skill that has Southgate wishing he was 25 years younger and English.
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Post by staggerstag on Jun 13, 2017 20:57:43 GMT
Dear oh dear. Dembele tears through the English midfield without hassle and slots a delicious ball on to Mbappe whose shot on goal is denied by Butland.
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Post by staggerstag on Jun 13, 2017 21:09:10 GMT
Postamble by Paul Doyle : "First and foremost, France proved that they have some wonderful young players. Dembele and Mbappe were spectacular, and Pogba dominated midfield. There were not many pluses for England: Sterling, Trippier, Bertrand and Butland did reasonably well and the first goal, scored by Kane, was tasty. But the system malfunctioned and, more importantly, too many players were sloppy and, all in all, didn’t look worthy of being on the same pitch as their opponents, most obviously Oxlade-Chamberlain, Dier and Stones. Most damningly, England didn’t have the wit or strength of mind to take advantage when Varane was sent off: they didn’t have a clue how to make the most of the extra space and were gradually overwhelmed by a sense of shame. Once France sensed that, England were doomed."
The Video Ref sending off was ridiculous but it didn't hold back France. I honestly would not be able to pick the next England line-up with anything approaching confidence for the Malta game in September. Just thank heavens it is Malta. Goodnight.
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Post by runie on Jun 13, 2017 21:40:41 GMT
I will have a bet on Kane scoring - he just cannie stop. What may give this game an edge is the last two games each nation played. France lost to an insane goal by sweden and Scotlands heroic freekicks damaged both egos. - or both keepers egos at the least..... both will have new ones in I am sure though. Kane however will still have the swagger as he rescued the point and is again captain. i am the mug - not taking kane france were brilliant b t he way - really good game as well. England average, Giroud proved he was a complete luxury player when down to ten as frances midfield is so awesome - it really didn't make much odds him being there . England played ok but clear weakness in the middle - too much space between dier and ox to ali. Ali couldnt do to much (bar the two goals) to influence on a regular basis as there was no erikson around him. England need a gaza/scholes/zidane/pogba to really start building forward as you could see the sheer difference in class was in that area. The rest very similar. BUt midfield wins you stuff. Dier is a glorified defnder and Ali is an attacker. There is no cog player. Pogba proved his value today.
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Jun 13, 2017 21:52:23 GMT
Sick of overrated guff like Sterling and Ox making poor decision after poor decision. I see Sterling gather the ball and run at the opponent's defence and I can't get excited because I know full well he will run into someone and lose the ball or have the touch of a pinball machine. And then the whole defence put in a collective effort to act like jelly when the ball gets anywhere near them. Very few display the composure or intelligence to keep the ball out of danger for a few seconds.
Same old proverbial rubbish.
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Post by runie on Jun 13, 2017 21:53:26 GMT
I think we need to find that midfielder - Go with the basis of the player good or not - (even if he is just average) - rather than shoehorning Ox. tbh i think (dare i say it - Rooney would be better there!!)
wilshire is the only minute flicker of sunshine(bar the chelsea and everton kids) if he can get stronger. Rooney whilst would have commanded the area better than OX he isnt long term. So I think its looking at the under 20 squad that had a much better midfield.(hence we won)
what pleased me - kane - well he does his job - and we can not say what he is doing game in game out is not WC. Sterlings strength has improved ten fold - he was bustling players of the ball - infact i think he was unfairly punished on a good few occasions due to his strength. This is what could make him a good player (with his final ball getting better with it)
ALI welll - one of them games where he doesn't show up for the majority but has that impact at a couple of key moments. Not his fault though during most of the game as France seemed to really press on him and kane and the midfielders behind just couldnt help press as totenham normally would.
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Post by runie on Jun 13, 2017 22:00:37 GMT
Sick of overrated guff like Sterling and Ox making poor decision after poor decision. I see Sterling gather the ball and run at the opponent's defence and I can't get excited because I know full well he will run into someone and lose the ball or have the touch of a pinball machine. And then the whole defence put in a collective effort to act like jelly when the ball gets anywhere near them. Very few display the composure or intelligence to keep the ball out of danger for a few seconds. Same old proverbial rubbish. Totally agree with ox. Why are we show horning him there.... play any english central midfielder(ok slim pickings granted!!) instead. i saw progression with sterling - and i think he was unfairly treated - he has gained massive strength. ok his final ball wasn't great but he was the one player that pressed to steal and many times fairly but got punished for it so couldn't provide a ball. I have never seen him so strong - any gain is a gain.. Sterling 3 years back was too weak. He has clearly been working hard on that. His final ball was better this season (beforehand)- so work in progress.
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Jun 13, 2017 22:10:32 GMT
Sick of overrated guff like Sterling and Ox making poor decision after poor decision. I see Sterling gather the ball and run at the opponent's defence and I can't get excited because I know full well he will run into someone and lose the ball or have the touch of a pinball machine. And then the whole defence put in a collective effort to act like jelly when the ball gets anywhere near them. Very few display the composure or intelligence to keep the ball out of danger for a few seconds. Same old proverbial rubbish. Totally agree with ox. Why are we show horning him there.... play any english central midfielder(ok slim pickings granted!!) instead. i saw progression with sterling - and i think he was unfairly treated - he has gained massive strength. ok his final ball wasn't great but he was the one player that pressed to steal and many times fairly but got punished for it so couldn't provide a ball. I have never seen him so strong - any gain is a gain.. Sterling 3 years back was too weak. He has clearly been working hard on that. His final ball was better this season (beforehand)- so work in progress. Sterling will do some good things, like the back heel in the lead up to the first goal, or the cross for the goal against Scotland. But there isn't enough consistency. Loses the ball too easily and we know that in front of goal he's a poor finisher. The talent in the player is never fully converted on the pitch and the question of whether it ever will be still lingers and has done for a few years now. It worries me that he is supposed to be our best option on the wing.
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Post by runie on Jun 13, 2017 22:18:56 GMT
well i have always said Zaha was - but england royaly fcked that up and now he can not be Like i said Sterlings strength was what really opened my eyes today - and i think the ref got many decisions wrong when he won the ball clean. Ali and Kane the magic players that even without loads of midfield quality make things happen with slim pickings. (created and scored 2 goals) France where just so good IMO. but it all revolved around the cog player - pogba and a few other decent midfielders) Where do we get one of them? this is the problem. France do not have the best defenders - infact no team does at present. There attackers imo are not much better than kane, ali and sterling. It truely is pogba and a few others they can rely on when we are sticking in dier and ox - that kills us in that area. Ravel Morrision - now he is the one with that true potential. I wonder what magic we could do to get him back. I think he has royally fcked himself and that unbelivable talent up. BUt good news in the under twenties at least.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 14, 2017 1:04:22 GMT
England looked really poor up against a decent side.
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Post by runie on Jun 14, 2017 6:57:22 GMT
respect to france though carl. great looking team - not sure where england are gonna find that type of central midfielder France have - but we need to get close to finding that(which we wont ) as England do have a very strong attack
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Post by runie on Jun 14, 2017 7:08:23 GMT
And I have no idea what they did v Sweden (they looked like a team transformed in the friendly)
but sod it - right - its all about the cup. lets bring Englands expectations down. And France will qualify if they just play half as good as they did last night.
frankie lampard, gerrard and now Ali are fcking amazing players but they are forward looking playmakers -(they are not players that suit playing together) since Scholes and Gaza we haven't had a working mid field to compete against the best despite back then a great defence and today a decent attack.
we may have to go back to Henderson and co - because despite only being average at least they can to a job. OX cannot play in that position- the other problem we have is again barkley is more of a number 10. so we have ok replacements for Alli but no one decent behind.
Playing 5 a side/fusball as kids gets you decent passers in midfield in confined spaces. I know things have been changing in the english coaching set up (possibly proved by the youth cup win) - so its not all doom and gloom for us english.
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