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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 0:11:09 GMT
Dynasty(s) Vs. Dynasty. Combine the 9ers and Cowboys Dynasty. Could they take down the Dynasty of the Pats? Now that's up to you if you want to go Montana, Aikman or Young. But you're getting Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Irvin, etc on the one combined Dynasty vs. the Ultimate Dynasty - The Pats. Does a merged 9er/Cowboy team take down Brady and the Pats? Thoughts? Discuss  |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 14, 2017 0:29:31 GMT
Dynasty(s) Vs. Dynasty. Combine the 9ers and Cowboys Dynasty. Could they take down the Dynasty of the Pats? Now that's up to you if you want to go Montana, Aikman or Young. But you're getting Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Irvin, etc on the one combined Dynasty vs. the Ultimate Dynasty - The Pats. Does a merged 9er/Cowboy team take down Brady and the Pats? Thoughts? Discuss Either the 49ers dynasty or the Cowboys dynasty could easily beat the Patriots. The 49ers and Cowboys were complete teams - they were good both offensively and defensively.
And you're forgetting. Besides Aikman, Smith, and Irvin, the Cowboys also had Charles Haley and Deion Sanders and plenty of other Pro Bowlers. And besides Montana/Young and Rice, the 49ers also had Ronnie Lott and Charles Haley and Deion Sanders and plenty of other Pro Bowlers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 0:40:39 GMT
Dynasty(s) Vs. Dynasty. Combine the 9ers and Cowboys Dynasty. Could they take down the Dynasty of the Pats? Now that's up to you if you want to go Montana, Aikman or Young. But you're getting Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Irvin, etc on the one combined Dynasty vs. the Ultimate Dynasty - The Pats. Does a merged 9er/Cowboy team take down Brady and the Pats? Thoughts? Discuss Either the 49ers dynasty or the Cowboys dynasty could easily beat the Patriots. The 49ers and Cowboys were complete teams - they were good both offensively and defensively.
And you're forgetting. Besides Aikman, Smith, and Irvin, the Cowboys also had Charles Haley and Deion Sanders and plenty of other Pro Bowlers. And besides Montana/Young and Rice, the 49ers also had Ronnie Lott and Charles Haley and Deion Sanders and plenty of other Pro Bowlers.
there's the intangible of Belichick though.... he seems to be able to plug anybody into that 'system' - and they just keep rolling for years........ |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 14, 2017 1:02:08 GMT
Sure. Deion is a shutdown corner. Receiving corps is terrific, Cowboys O line, Emmitt's rushing one way and Haley's rushing the other. What's Lott allowed to do?
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Post by hehatesshe on Jun 14, 2017 1:57:28 GMT
As DC Fan said, both those dynasties had way better players. The patriots last year had 4 pro bowlers: 2 defenders, a special teamer, and Brady.
As DC fan said, Brady has done far more, far longer, with far less.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 14, 2017 3:02:19 GMT
Dynasty(s) Vs. Dynasty. Combine the 9ers and Cowboys Dynasty. Could they take down the Dynasty of the Pats? Montana Smith Rice Irvin Newton Norton Jr. Lott Sanders Brady Dillon Moss Gronkowski Seymour Wilfork Law Harrison I'll take the Patriots 24 - 20 because they're playing the same system instead of a hybrid of 2 franchises. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Jun 14, 2017 20:37:14 GMT
Dynasty(s) Vs. Dynasty. Combine the 9ers and Cowboys Dynasty. Could they take down the Dynasty of the Pats? Montana Smith Rice Irvin Newton Norton Jr. Lott Sanders Brady Dillon Moss Gronkowski Seymour Wilfork Law Harrison I'll take the Patriots 24 - 20 because they're playing the same system instead of a hybrid of 2 franchises. Put Steve Young in the wildcat. They also have Darren Woodson, Larry Allen, Charles Haley, Dwight Hicks, Roger Craig, John Taylor, Bill Romanowski, Jay Novacek, Keena Turner, Eric Wright |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 15, 2017 1:25:02 GMT
Montana Smith Rice Irvin Newton Norton Jr. Lott Sanders Brady Dillon Moss Gronkowski Seymour Wilfork Law Harrison I'll take the Patriots 24 - 20 because they're playing the same system instead of a hybrid of 2 franchises. Put Steve Young in the wildcat. They also have Darren Woodson, Larry Allen, Charles Haley, Dwight Hicks, Roger Craig, John Taylor, Bill Romanowski, Jay Novacek, Keena Turner, Eric Wright I just don't think lists of names on paper is all that strong an argument vs the Patriots. We're talking about 5 titles with guys who were either homegrown drafted as studs by BB or signed because the rest of the league passed on them. I've read some on BB's 'Patriot ways' & how he really could not care less about a guy's resume or how the rest of the league (or known universe) ranks players - all's he cares about is will they help the Patriots win with their daily expectations & tool set. That Charlie Weis & Romeo Crennel themselves bombed outside the system, + Josh McDaniels... it's a whole f'n show top to bottom, players & staff alike. |
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Post by damngumby on Jun 15, 2017 10:04:36 GMT
From a thread not too long ago, the consensus was that a team from a previous era would be overwhelmed by the superior athletes of today. Pro bowlers from the 80s / 90s would only be average players today.
Ganging up old dynasties against the present day Patriots just means that half of those players would be sitting on the bench.
If you want to take down the Patriots, you'll need to create a super team of current pro bowl players.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 15, 2017 10:11:53 GMT
From a thread not too long ago, the consensus was that a team from a previous era would be overwhelmed by the superior athletes of today. Pro bowlers from the 80s / 90s would only be average players today. Ganging up old dynasties against the present day Patriots just means that half of those players would be sitting on the bench. If you want to take down the Patriots, you'll need to create a super team of current pro bowl players. No, from that thread the consensus was that those Cowboys teams and 49ers teams were complete teams, strong on both sides of the ball, and either of those Cowboys teams or 49ers teams would've easily destroyed the Patriots the same way that the Warriors destroyed their opponents in the NBA playoffs this season.
Comparing the Patriots to those Cowboys teams or 49ers teams that had plenty of Pro Bowlers is like comparing the rest of the NBA to the Warriors. It's no contest. Either of those Cowboys teams or 49ers teams would destroy the Patriots every time.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 15, 2017 12:51:57 GMT
From a thread not too long ago, the consensus was that a team from a previous era would be overwhelmed by the superior athletes of today. Pro bowlers from the 80s / 90s would only be average players today. Ganging up old dynasties against the present day Patriots just means that half of those players would be sitting on the bench. If you want to take down the Patriots, you'll need to create a super team of current pro bowl players. ^This. I don't see any defense in history being able to shut down an offense with Brady throwing to Moss, Gronk, Bennett (because I won't mention a certain deceased murderer despite his dominance in his short career), and your choice of slot guys (Branch, Welker, Edelman, etc.) and handing off to Dillon, Lewis or your choice of 3rd down backs who are huge run-after-catch guys (Faulk, Vereen, White, etc.). Brady and BB have now won multiple Super Bowls with completely different offensive lines, as well-- more than ten years apart. So mix and match whomever you want there. Mankins, Stork, Light, Koppen, Vollmer, it really doesn't matter. Same goes for the defense. So much versatility at any position; it's just how they're built. Law, Harrison, Butler, Samuel, Milloy, Revis, McCourty. Bruschi, Vrabel, McGinest, Hightower, Jamie Collins, Ted Johnson, Jerod Mayo, Ninkovich, Chandler Jones, Seymour, Ty Warren, Wilfork. Special teams: perennial pro-bowler Matthew Slater and if it comes down to a kick, Vinatieri. Who beats this team? This is the most dominant team of the last 15 years, featuring as you pointed out, the best athletes in the continuing evolution of the sport. Versatility and athleticism? Vince Wilfork has multiple INTs for Christ's sake. Mike Vrabel has multiple TDs in Super Bowls. And leading it all is a guy who keeps building champions in an era of parity designed to make good teams falter. (How did the two teams who played in the previous Super Bowl do in the playoffs last season? Oh yeah, they missed the playoffs. Meanwhile the Patriots have gone to 11 conference championship games (including 6 straight), 7 Super Bowls and won five of them in the age of parity. Edge: Patriots (again). Not sure what advantage the other team has at literally any position other than RB, and even there the Pats have the overall edge with the way they use theirs. |
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Post by damngumby on Jun 15, 2017 21:24:15 GMT
Wrong thread, Mr. Always Wrong.
I was referring to the ... The '85 Bears would get dominated by the league today ... thread from a week ago. The 49ers and Cowboys of old wouldn't be competitive today for the same reason everyone agreed that the 85 Bears wouldn't be competitive.
You may disagree, but then again you are often in the ridiculed minority on a number of topics ... so your opinion is of little value.
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Post by ctown28 on Jun 15, 2017 22:26:32 GMT
It was a ridiculous discussion before and it's still a ridiculous discussion. There is no comparing teams that play in completely different eras. You can;t magically make the players from the Niners and Cowboys of the 90's into the developed players in todays game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 22:46:42 GMT
It was a ridiculous discussion before and it's still a ridiculous discussion. There is no comparing teams that play in completely different eras. You can;t magically make the players from the Niners and Cowboys of the 90's into the developed players in todays game. what do you think about the Bernie Kosar and Byner Browns who were a hair away from the Super Bowl if they didn't run into Elway vs. today's Browns? who takes it? Kosar's Browns vs. Todays (who's their QB today?) Browns |
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Post by ctown28 on Jun 15, 2017 23:50:30 GMT
It was a ridiculous discussion before and it's still a ridiculous discussion. There is no comparing teams that play in completely different eras. You can;t magically make the players from the Niners and Cowboys of the 90's into the developed players in todays game. what do you think about the Bernie Kosar and Byner Browns who were a hair away from the Super Bowl if they didn't run into Elway vs. today's Browns? who takes it? Kosar's Browns vs. Todays (who's their QB today?) Browns It's just as ridiculous as any other comparison between teams from two completely different eras. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 0:11:17 GMT
what do you think about the Bernie Kosar and Byner Browns who were a hair away from the Super Bowl if they didn't run into Elway vs. today's Browns? who takes it? Kosar's Browns vs. Todays (who's their QB today?) Browns It's just as ridiculous as any other comparison between teams from two completely different eras. i agree - today's Browns would beat the Kosar/Byner Browns of yesteryear...... |
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Post by joshf1 on Jun 16, 2017 2:42:24 GMT
I'd take The Patriots as long as they're able to film the Cowboys/Niners practice before the game
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 16, 2017 5:09:07 GMT
It was a ridiculous discussion before and it's still a ridiculous discussion. There is no comparing teams that play in completely different eras. You can;t magically make the players from the Niners and Cowboys of the 90's into the developed players in todays game. Yep, it's a ridiculous discussion because the Patriots are no match for those Cowboys or 49ers dynasty teams. It would be like comparing the rest of the NBA to the Warriors. Those Cowboys or 49ers teams would not only destroy the Patriots but would do it even more easily than how the Warriors ran over the rest of the field in the playoffs. |
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