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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 23:23:19 GMT
Well, maybe that was the reason and maybe it wasn't. We'll never know for sure. But those things seem quite inconsequential and it's a real shame if Wright and Marvel were at odds over such tiny additions to the movie. Regardless of who deserves the blame though I just wish we'd gotten Wright's version because the version we got, while good is far from great and certainly not one of the MCU's best. Whatever small amount of world building exists in Ant Man it was not worth turning a potentially fantastically creative movie into a fairly generic one. Fuck Wright's version. The one we got IS great. I don't feel the film is generic at all. The very concept of Ant-Man alone makes it unique enough. The concept of Ant Man is the ONLY thing that makes it unique. It's an enjoyable movie but I cannot agree that it's great. Take away the basic things about the character that make him inherently interesting and different, (which would be present in any Ant Man movie) and you're left with a very generic unmemorable movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 1:50:58 GMT
Fuck Wright's version. The one we got IS great. I don't feel the film is generic at all. The very concept of Ant-Man alone makes it unique enough. The concept of Ant Man is the ONLY thing that makes it unique. It's an enjoyable movie but I cannot agree that it's great. Take away the basic things about the character that make him inherently interesting and different, (which would be present in any Ant Man movie) and you're left with a very generic unmemorable movie. In your opinion, generic and unmemorable. Also, you don't know that Wright's version would have been any better.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 27, 2017 1:57:18 GMT
Dc-Fan, you really need a life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 3:07:17 GMT
The concept of Ant Man is the ONLY thing that makes it unique. It's an enjoyable movie but I cannot agree that it's great. Take away the basic things about the character that make him inherently interesting and different, (which would be present in any Ant Man movie) and you're left with a very generic unmemorable movie. In your opinion, generic and unmemorable. Also, you don't know that Wright's version would have been any better. That's true. I can't know that for sure. But the climax in Cassie Lang's room atop the toy train was pure genius and by far the best part of the movie, and that scene was all Edgar and his cowriter. Reed even acknowledges this on the commentary. So if that's a taste of what Wright had planned then I'm confident it would've been better than the movie we got.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 3:18:21 GMT
In your opinion, generic and unmemorable. Also, you don't know that Wright's version would have been any better. That's true. I can't know that for sure. But the climax in Cassie Lang's room atop the toy train was pure genius and by far the best part of the movie, and that scene was all Edgar and his cowriter. Reed even acknowledges this on the commentary. So if that's a taste of what Wright had planned then I'm confident it would've been better than the movie we got. The rest of the film is easily on-par with the finale.
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Post by poelzig on Jun 27, 2017 3:57:01 GMT
The concept of Ant Man is the ONLY thing that makes it unique. It's an enjoyable movie but I cannot agree that it's great. Take away the basic things about the character that make him inherently interesting and different, (which would be present in any Ant Man movie) and you're left with a very generic unmemorable movie. In your opinion, generic and unmemorable. Also, you don't know that Wright's version would have been any better. The version we got was boring dreck that even special needs kids would find predictable. Sadly if marvel fans on this site are typical, special needs kids are much more perceptive. Wright's bowel movements would be better than ain't man.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 3:59:48 GMT
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Post by poelzig on Jun 27, 2017 4:07:01 GMT
Poor cap must have gotten tired of me making him look foolish all the time. Well even more foolish than he makes himself look.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 4:44:57 GMT
The trench is in front of her? Its all around here. She would be attacked from all kinds of angles. The trenches werent straight as a line. They had all kinds of corners and curves.
The trenches may curve but they're not going to built in a circle because if it's built in a circle, then you're just shooting at your own soldiers. The trenches may curve it won't curve more than a 90% angle on either side.
It's like a goal in ice hockey. Sure, shots can be made at different angles into the goal, but all the shots are still going to be from the front of the goal. There's never going to be a straight-on shot into the goal from behind the goal or from any angle greater than 90% on either side of the goal. The same with the trenches. So all shots fired from the trenches, no matter the angle, will be slightly in front of her until she passes a certain point.
But Diana stood at a certain point where all the shots were still in front of her. Then she leaped into the air and landed inside the trench. So there was never any opportunity to fire at her from behind.
Also, the shield isn't flat. The shield is curved as well so the shield can block bullets that are coming at an angle near 90% on either side
If a movie is all english fine but if you are pretending that the wonder woman can speak all kinds of languages and you use them in the movie dont fuck it uo and they did. And if you are going to let people speak native languages let the Germans speak German. So I take it that you hate Munich since they have non-English speaking scenes as well as English-speaking scenes. Wonder Woman is pretentious crap that copied The First Avenger. Nope. Wonder Woman takes place in 1918. The First Avenger takes place in 1944. Do you MCU fans not know the difference between World War I and World War II? So you MCU fans think all movies abotu war are the same? So you MCU fans think that Saving Private Ryan is a copy of The Bridges of Toko-Ri because both movies take place during a war? Wonder Woman isn't a copy of The First Avenger, but the First Avenger is a copy of Superman: The Movie. Even MCU dictator Kevin Feige has admitted that The First Avenger and most of MCU's their movies are just copies of Superman: The Movie. The ancient Greeks lived around 2500 years ago. And Zeus was killed right after he hid the Amazonians and made Diana's mom pregnant right? He must have died before Christ came along otherwise he wouldnt be real good God would he now? The ancient Greeks were around before the founding of Rome (and thus before the Roman Empire) so Zeus was worshipped as a God long before the birth of Jesus. Given that the Roman mythology adopted Greek mythology (with Jupiter being the Roman name for Zeus), Zeus/Jupiter may have still been worshipped by the Greeks or Romans even after the death of Jesus. But whether Zeus "died" before or after Jesus is irrelevant because DCEU considers Zeus to be the Creator of Man and therefore they treat Jesus the same as Judaism treats Jesus. Christianity believes that God exists as a Trinity and that Jesus is the Son of God. Judaism believes that God exists as a single entity and rejects the notion that Jesus was the Son of God. Judaism believes that Jesus was just another prophet, an important prophet but not the Son of God. That would appear to be the same view that the DCEU takes - Zeus is the Creator of Man so Jesus was just a man and not the Son of the Creator. So whether Zeus "died before or after Jesus is irrelevant in the DCEU because the DCEU considers Jesus to be just a man and not the Son of the Creator. its a safe bet that Diana was conceived well before 1 AD. Since she hardly aged a day in 100 years (see BvS and WW) she must have been child a long time ago. Makes sense right? Common sense even? So she was using a language that didnt exsist at that time. It's not a safe bet to say when Diana was conceived or when she learned to speak English because it's never indicated in the movie what year Diana was conceived or what year (or years) Diana was a child. Diana may have learned to speak English 1500 years ago or 1000 years ago or 500 years ago or even just 250 years ago. Except Strucker didnt die. You made that up. No, I didn't make it up. It's clearly shown in the movie that Cap executed Strucker in cold blood. Again, AoU clearly shows Cap smashing Strucker's head with his shield, which is harder than Thor's hammer. Since no normal human being can survive a blow to the head by a large metal object that's harder than a hammer, it's pretty clear that Cap killed Strucker. Then the movie later pretended it didn't happened and retconned it to say that Ultron killed Strucker in the prison cell when Cap had already executed Strucker earlier in the movie. Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit How about Batman being a murdering coward?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 5:25:41 GMT
That's true. I can't know that for sure. But the climax in Cassie Lang's room atop the toy train was pure genius and by far the best part of the movie, and that scene was all Edgar and his cowriter. Reed even acknowledges this on the commentary. So if that's a taste of what Wright had planned then I'm confident it would've been better than the movie we got. The rest of the film is easily on-par with the finale.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2017 5:35:23 GMT
poelzig said:
"The version we got was boring dreck that even special needs kids would find predictable. Sadly if marvel fans on this site are typical, special needs kids are much more perceptive. Wright's bowel movements would be better than ain't man."
Looks like poelzig owned you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:24:20 GMT
The rest of the film is easily on-par with the finale. I'm not being sarcastic. I'll tell one thing I am, though: very tired of people overrating Wright and acting like he's the best filmmaker ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:43:40 GMT
I'm not being sarcastic. I'll tell one thing I am, though: very tired of people overrating Wright and acting like he's the best filmmaker ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:47:34 GMT
I'm not being sarcastic. I'll tell one thing I am, though: very tired of people overrating Wright and acting like he's the best filmmaker ever. It's been two years. Get over the fact Wright didn't direct Ant-man. No one except that loser DC-Fan whines about Patty Jenkins not directing Thor: The Dark World anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 21:34:55 GMT
It's been two years. Get over the fact Wright didn't direct Ant-man. No one except that loser DC-Fan whines about Patty Jenkins not directing Thor: The Dark World anymore. Would've been a better movie if she did though. I'd say that you can't deny that, but something tells me you would anyway. It's no coincidence that Thor 2 and Ant Man are generally considered among the lowest rated MCU movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 21:38:25 GMT
It's been two years. Get over the fact Wright didn't direct Ant-man. No one except that loser DC-Fan whines about Patty Jenkins not directing Thor: The Dark World anymore. Would've been a better movie if she did though. I'd say that you can't deny that, but something tells me you would anyway. It's no coincidence that Thor 2 and Ant Man are generally considered among the lowest rated MCU movies. Actually, I can deny it, because the fault actually lies with Marvel Studios meddling with The Dark World's production. Ant-Man is NOT considered to be among the lowest rated MCU films. So wrong on both accounts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 21:55:51 GMT
Would've been a better movie if she did though. I'd say that you can't deny that, but something tells me you would anyway. It's no coincidence that Thor 2 and Ant Man are generally considered among the lowest rated MCU movies. Actually, I can deny it, because the fault actually lies with Marvel Studios meddling with The Dark World's production. Ant-Man is NOT considered to be among the lowest rated MCU films. So wrong on both accounts. How many MCU movies are considered lower than Ant Man? Maybe TDW and TIH. That's about it though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 22:00:15 GMT
Would've been a better movie if she did though. I'd say that you can't deny that, but something tells me you would anyway. It's no coincidence that Thor 2 and Ant Man are generally considered among the lowest rated MCU movies. Actually, I can deny it, because the fault actually lies with Marvel Studios meddling with The Dark World's production. Ant-Man is NOT considered to be among the lowest rated MCU films. So wrong on both accounts. Also your point about Marvel meddling with TDW sort of goes along with my original point that the studio meddles too much. Here's a quote from Thor 2's director... I’ve learned that you don’t make a $170 million movie with someone else’s money and not have to collaborate a lot. The Marvel experience was particularly wrenching because I was sort of given absolute freedom while we were shooting, and then in post it turned into a different movie. So, that is something I hope never to repeat and don’t wish upon anybody else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 22:09:28 GMT
Actually, I can deny it, because the fault actually lies with Marvel Studios meddling with The Dark World's production. Ant-Man is NOT considered to be among the lowest rated MCU films. So wrong on both accounts. Also your point about Marvel meddling with TDW sort of goes along with my original point that the studio meddles too much. Here's a quote from Thor 2's director... I’ve learned that you don’t make a $170 million movie with someone else’s money and not have to collaborate a lot. The Marvel experience was particularly wrenching because I was sort of given absolute freedom while we were shooting, and then in post it turned into a different movie. So, that is something I hope never to repeat and don’t wish upon anybody else. If they meddled too much, how come Shane Black, James Gunn, Scott Derrickson, and the Russo brothers have reported no such things and have pretty much been left to leave their mark on the series as long as it progresses the series? Marvel made a mistake with The Dark World, but does absolutely does not translate to every film the Studio produces being ridden with executive meddling. They were right to fire Wright after he dragged his feet for a whole damn decade instead of just making the Ant-Man movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 22:10:27 GMT
Actually, I can deny it, because the fault actually lies with Marvel Studios meddling with The Dark World's production. Ant-Man is NOT considered to be among the lowest rated MCU films. So wrong on both accounts. How many MCU movies are considered lower than Ant Man? Maybe TDW and TIH. That's about it though. Actually, I've met many people who prefer Ant-Man over even some of the heavy hitters like Guardians. Its been two years. get over it.
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