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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 23:38:40 GMT
The problem is that you want everything translated into 3D with the expectation that your standard sensory organs should be able to discern it as easily as anything that exists in 3D. Oh I see, so a god is here but I just can't discern it. But how can one tell the difference between that sort of deity and no deity at all? The modern conception of god is very carefully drawn so that his existence is identical to non-existence in every meaningful way, and so that his actions are identical to inaction. This is what religion has been forced to retreat to.
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Post by general313 on Jun 30, 2017 0:10:05 GMT
No.
But that still not mean that the difference between the two dimensions is a 'natural progression' or a 'more advanced' reality, as you apparently think. (as in where you said "You seem to be implying that Dimension 3 is not a more advanced dimension than Dimension 2.")
I hope that helps.
I'm implying that Dimension 2 easily fits into Dimension 3, but Dimension 3 won't fit into Dimension 2 without losing something in the process. You asked my why God doesn't make an unambiguous appearance in Dimension 3, and I'm attempting to answer your question as simply as possible. I hope that helps. It is possible to assign a one-to-one correspondence between points of two spaces with different dimensions. For example, mapping from a plane to a line can be done as follows: Each point in the plane has a cartesian coordinate of the form (a3a2a1.f1f2f3, b3b2b1.g1g2g3) (for a point with 3 digits to the left and right of the decimal point for each coordinate). for example (456.789, 123.456) has a3 = 4, a2 = 5, f1 = 7, b3 = 1, g1 = 4, etc.). This can be mapped to the point on the line as a3b3a2b2a1b1.f1g1f2g2f3g3. In the example, the corresponding point on the line is 415263.748596. This works even if the decimal expansion is infinite: (1/3, 2/3) = (.333333333...., .666666666...) maps to .3636363636363636... = 4/11
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 30, 2017 10:48:19 GMT
Oh I see, so a god is here but I just can't discern it. But how can one tell the difference between that sort of deity and no deity at all? Just show me an unambiguous god, as requested, and all your special pleading need not continue. Special pleading? Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception. The lack of criticism may be a simple oversight or an application of a double standard.
The generally accepted rule here being that things shown unambiguously to all are likely to be the most convincing. There is also the expectation that the most powerful force in the universe, which is claimed to have a direct and permanent effect on all things might be expected to be shown conclusively in operation, or to put it another way such a positive ought to be quickly proven. I hope that helps.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 11:12:33 GMT
Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception. The lack of criticism may be a simple oversight or an application of a double standard.
The generally accepted rule here being that things shown unambiguously to all are likely to be the most convincing. There is also the expectation that the most powerful force in the universe, which is claimed to have a direct and permanent effect on all things might be expected to be shown conclusively in operation, or to put it another way such a positive ought to be quickly proven. I hope that helps.
No, that really doesn't help.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 30, 2017 11:18:54 GMT
Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception. The lack of criticism may be a simple oversight or an application of a double standard.
The generally accepted rule here being that things shown unambiguously to all are likely to be the most convincing. There is also the expectation that the most powerful force in the universe, which is claimed to have a direct and permanent effect on all things might be expected to be shown conclusively in operation, or to put it another way such a positive ought to be quickly proven. I hope that helps.
No, that really doesn't help. I am, naturally, sorry that you cannot be helped.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 11:22:40 GMT
No, that really doesn't help. I am, naturally, sorry that you cannot be helped. No, you're a sociopath, and you're not sorry for anything.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 30, 2017 11:25:06 GMT
I am, naturally, sorry that you cannot be helped. No, you're a sociopath, and you're not sorry for anything. I forgive you. And don't tell me when I am, or am not, sorry.
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Post by phludowin on Jun 30, 2017 11:31:48 GMT
I am, naturally, sorry that you cannot be helped. No, you're a sociopath, and you're not sorry for anything.Again telling others what they think? Why am I not surprised?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 30, 2017 11:32:11 GMT
I'm implying that Dimension 2 easily fits into Dimension 3, but Dimension 3 won't fit into Dimension 2 without losing something in the process. You asked my why God doesn't make an unambiguous appearance in Dimension 3, and I'm attempting to answer your question as simply as possible. I hope that helps. It is possible to assign a one-to-one correspondence between points of two spaces with different dimensions. For example, mapping from a plane to a line can be done as follows: Each point in the plane has a cartesian coordinate of the form (a3a2a1.f1f2f3, b3b2b1.g1g2g3) (for a point with 3 digits to the left and right of the decimal point for each coordinate). for example (456.789, 123.456) has a3 = 4, a2 = 5, f1 = 7, b3 = 1, g1 = 4, etc.). This can be mapped to the point on the line as a3b3a2b2a1b1.f1g1f2g2f3g3. In the example, the corresponding point on the line is 415263.748596. This works even if the decimal expansion is infinite: (1/3, 2/3) = (.333333333...., .666666666...) maps to .3636363636363636... = 4/11 That only works because geometry accepts the infinite density of coordinates. Of course you can "map" anything onto a line that has an infinite number of coordinates between any two coordinates on it. It's not like you'll run out of coordinates. There is just no reason to do that. Mathematics and infinity are not the good friends many people think. Mathematics tends to focus on measurements and infinity is beyond measurement. A common mistake is to treat "infinity" as a quantity. It is safer to think of infinity as an ongoing process. In algebra it is possible to manipulate quantities. Notice that infinity makes algebraic manipulation useless. The things that are manipulated in algebra are like buckets of water of various sizes or filled to various levels, or perhaps filling at meaningful measured rates. Infinity is like a bucket that keeps overflowing. Measurement becomes meaningless. "Four-elevenths" is a stable quantity than can readily be manipulated algebraically. ".3636366........" is a representation of that quantity that has troublesome infinite characteristics. It only becomes a "perfect" representation when you assume there is some "quantity" of digits, but there is no "quantity" of digits. You are using an ongoing process to describe a fixed quantity. Of course you can assign any meaning you like to your expressions and 0.363636..... is typically assigned the meaning of four-elevenths. Because there are no physical objects small enough to make the distinctions relevant it is a very practical thing to do.
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Post by yezziqa on Jun 30, 2017 11:37:10 GMT
Fuck it, you caught us. Here we were sitting 24/7 measuring gas leaks from melting permafrost without hardly any pay, using bikes instead of cars even in snow storms, spending months on end in remote research centers, just so we could take over the world, force people to exercise instead of exercising their car and perhaps get published so we could make hardly no money at all as those kind of book only a few are interested in reading.
You must be the pride of your parents.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 11:59:38 GMT
No, you're a sociopath, and you're not sorry for anything. I forgive you. And don't tell me when I am, or am not, sorry. If you object to it, the best advice I can give you is don't come around here for more of it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 12:01:12 GMT
My parents died back in the 20th Century.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 30, 2017 12:01:28 GMT
I forgive you. And don't tell me when I am, or am not, sorry. If you object to it, the best advice I can give you is don't come around here for more of it. I never object to entertainment and education being offered in equal measure, but thanks.
Any news on an unambiguous showing of your purported god? Or is it still holidaying in Dimension Z?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 12:03:42 GMT
If you object to it, the best advice I can give you is don't come around here for more of it. I never object to entertainment and education being offered in equal measure, but thanks.
Any news on an unambiguous showing of your purported god? Or is it still holidaying in Dimension Z?
Already answered. Do you see it as my responsibility to convince you (or to convince anti-theistic sociopaths in general) that God exists?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 30, 2017 12:06:19 GMT
I never object to entertainment and education being offered in equal measure, but thanks.
Any news on an unambiguous showing of your purported god? Or is it still holidaying in Dimension Z?
Already answered. Must have missed the answer unless it was when you claimed that the Most Powerful Force in The Universe can't be seen in our dimension for reasons unknown. Is there any special pleading, other than this, you can offer? Hint: "He is wary of rejection by obdurates" (not sustained by previous examples of his appearance and unambiguous acts) or "He can't be told what to do" (a non-sequitur given no one is ''demanding' anything of Him) are better choices at this point. But still sound like pleading. I am naturally sorry you do not have a sense of responsibility.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 12:12:58 GMT
Must have missed the answer unless it was when you claimed that the Most Powerful Force in The Universe can't be seen in our dimension for reasons unknown. Is there any special pleading, other than this, you can offer? Hint: "He is wary of rejection by obdurates" (not sustained by previous examples of his appearance) or "He can't be told what to do" (a non-sequitur) are better choices at this point. But still sound like pleading. I am naturally sorry you do not have a sense of responsibility. That's another lie. A sociopath like yourself is never sorry for anything.
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Post by yezziqa on Jun 30, 2017 12:17:08 GMT
My parents died back in the 20th Century. Sorry to hear that. It was interesting to see that you neither dared to quote or tag me so I would be notified of your response, it was also very interesting to see that you did not repond to the main topic of my post. You honestly think that we have some evil plan? Well, now i'm of to plan B for world domination, dig free planting. Ooops, did I write that out loud?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 12:24:30 GMT
My parents died back in the 20th Century. Sorry to hear that. It was interesting to see that you neither dared to quote or tag me so I would be notified of your response, it was also very interesting to see that you did not repond to the main topic of my post. You honestly think that we have some evil plan? Well, now i'm of to plan B for world domination, dig free planting. Ooops, did I write that out loud? By saying we, are you implying that I think you may be one of the designers of the evil plan? No, I don't think that at all. I don't even think Al Gore helped to designed it or necessarily even knows about it. He's just a tool.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 30, 2017 12:24:35 GMT
Must have missed the answer unless it was when you claimed that the Most Powerful Force in The Universe can't be seen in our dimension for reasons unknown. Is there any special pleading, other than this, you can offer? Hint: "He is wary of rejection by obdurates" (not sustained by previous examples of his appearance) or "He can't be told what to do" (a non-sequitur) are better choices at this point. But still sound like pleading. I am naturally sorry you do not have a sense of responsibility. That's another lie. A sociopath like yourself is never sorry for anything. I forgive you. And just to remind you that an ad hominem is just as fallacious reply in disputation as special pleading is. But I guess you have been told this before.
Evasion noted, too.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 30, 2017 12:25:38 GMT
That's another lie. A sociopath like yourself is never sorry for anything. I forgive you. And just to remind you that an ad hominem is just as fallacious reply in disputation as special pleading is. But I guess you have been told this before.
Evasion noted, too.
You don't forgive anyone. You're a sociopath.
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