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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 20:07:22 GMT
Apart from MoS, BvS, and SS's cynical views of altruism? These films treat being a hero like a grim responsibility instead of something you do out of kindness or valor. And even then, the heroes go about in crooked ways that aren't even remotely heroic. Pa Kent telling Clark to let bus-loads of children drown in the name of remaining anonymous? Tornadocide? Batman being an amoral psychopath to the point where freakin' Dead-Shot and Deadpool are a more believable heroes (and even the former had to be coerced into it)? Hell, Wonder Woman is the only one so far to actually be heroic, and then the narrative of her film goes out of its way to show her acts of heroism to be naive and misguided, at best. Heartily agree that the ( Snyder led ) DCEU films have been a depressing and misguided failure ( so far ) Hopefully Snyder is bowing out of the DCEU now and letting Whedon take over. That's the only way to save that franchise. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 20:16:54 GMT
Heartily agree that the ( Snyder led ) DCEU films have been a depressing and misguided failure ( so far ) Hopefully Snyder is bowing out of the DCEU now and letting Whedon take over. That's the only way to save that franchise. I think you may be right about that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 20:36:35 GMT
Hopefully Snyder is bowing out of the DCEU now and letting Whedon take over. That's the only way to save that franchise. I think you may be right about that. Whedon can basically be to the DCEU what Feige is to Marvel. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 20:47:06 GMT
I think you may be right about that. Whedon can basically be to the DCEU what Feige is to Marvel. Now that would be cool. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 20:52:30 GMT
Whedon can basically be to the DCEU what Feige is to Marvel. Now that would be cool. The biggest comic book nut of them all running the asylum. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 4, 2017 21:56:08 GMT
Heartily agree that the ( Snyder led ) DCEU films have been a depressing and misguided failure ( so far ) Hopefully Snyder is bowing out of the DCEU now and letting Whedon take over. That's the only way to save that franchise. I don't want Whedon leading the DCEU. He's great and all, but we've seen his Comic Book work already when he did a sensational job in the MCU. My proposal is simple: let Matt Reeves and Patty Jenkins become the main leaders and architects of the franchise. Maybe Reeves can direct a Justice League after The Batman, then just produce the others (as Whedon did with the MCU). Maybe Jenkins can direct the rest of the Wonder Woman's and a Suicide Squad sequel, then she can be an architect of what's to come as well. That could help give the DCEU some direction. Plus, Reeves is just an incredible director who seems to have mastered his craft yet again with War for the Planet of the Apes (if critics are to be believed). |
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Post by merh on Jul 4, 2017 23:56:49 GMT
Apart from MoS, BvS, and SS's cynical views of altruism? These films treat being a hero like a grim responsibility instead of something you do out of kindness or valor. And even then, the heroes go about in crooked ways that aren't even remotely heroic. Pa Kent telling Clark to let bus-loads of children drown in the name of remaining anonymous? Tornadocide? Batman being an amoral psychopath to the point where freakin' Dead-Shot and Deadpool are a more believable heroes (and even the former had to be coerced into it)? Hell, Wonder Woman is the only one so far to actually be heroic, and then the narrative of her film goes out of its way to show her acts of heroism to be naive and misguided, at best. That's your interpretation. Here's my interpretation: Superman becomes a hero and saves the world in spite of the fact that the world doesn't know what to make of him at first, and in spite of the fact that his father suggests he might be better off not letting the world know about his powers. At the end of BvS Batman lets go of his anger because of the example that Superman gave by giving his life to save the world, again. In fact, Batman is SO moved by his sacrifice that he's going to form the Justice League to even more good than he could do alone. You have a grim outlook on the proceedings. I don't. That wasn't Batman. That wasn't Luthor. And it's never been Supes. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 8, 2017 17:22:41 GMT
That's your interpretation. Here's my interpretation: Superman becomes a hero and saves the world in spite of the fact that the world doesn't know what to make of him at first, and in spite of the fact that his father suggests he might be better off not letting the world know about his powers. At the end of BvS Batman lets go of his anger because of the example that Superman gave by giving his life to save the world, again. In fact, Batman is SO moved by his sacrifice that he's going to form the Justice League to even more good than he could do alone. You have a grim outlook on the proceedings. I don't. That wasn't Batman. That wasn't Luthor. And it's never been Supes. That wasn't Batman= OPINION
That wasn't Luthor= OPINION (though I kinda agree)
And it's never been Supes= OPINION
What it comes down to for me, and what I think a lot of people have had a hard time with, is that they are trying to do somewhat different versions of these characters in these movies. Superman is more divisive. Batman kills. Luthor is a maniacal twerp. etc.
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Post by merh on Jul 8, 2017 17:49:55 GMT
That wasn't Batman. That wasn't Luthor. And it's never been Supes. That wasn't Batman= OPINION
That wasn't Luthor= OPINION (though I kinda agree)
And it's never been Supes= OPINION
What it comes down to for me, and what I think a lot of people have had a hard time with, is that they are trying to do somewhat different versions of these characters in these movies. Superman is more divisive. Batman kills. Luthor is a maniacal twerp. etc.
I don't know if people remember this about me but I am more Marvel (obviously) with Creeper & Spectre being the 2 DC heroes I like. Creeper calls them Supes & Bats so I use those since they are shorter than the full name all the time. Nor disrespectful, more supporting one of my favs. Interestingly enough there are several of my coworkers who are comic fans-or maybe not it being San Diego. It is a law enforcement division, though not police. After Man of Steel every one of them expressed EXTREME dislike for the movie. It wasn't Superman was the major complaint. These guys are all around 30s as opposed to my 50s (1 is my age) so it's not really generational. Has squat to do with killing. Bats & Supes both killed baddies in the beginning. Sorry. Not a Batman fan. Never really paid much attention to him outside of Adam West & Burton's stuff. If he happened to pair up with Creeper or Supes, ok. But I KNOW he is The Great Detective. Alfred saw the truth that Supes was not the enemy but Bats didn't? Not Batman. I'm going to go see Spidey now. We can pick this up later. |
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Post by dknaveed23 on Jul 10, 2017 22:07:36 GMT
I wouldn't worry too much about this buddy
It's taken from the DCEU Leaks reddit (a renowned place of falsehoods and FanFic) and I'm pretty sure it's been debunked already.
After getting so much shit for not having a "lighter" Superman, I honestly doubt WB will have the balls to make the character evil or villainous, even if it's just short term.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 30, 2017 15:57:43 GMT
It makes me think of little jars of pixie dust. So long as the pixie dust stays inside the jars, ok? Keep the lid on that... |
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Post by politicidal on Sept 5, 2017 20:08:35 GMT
This is why I think they should have made 3 Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman movies before rushing ahead and having 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and the 'Justice League.' From what one of the producers of 'Man of Steel' said a few years ago there was supposed to be a second 'Man of Steel' movie which would have had Braniac as the main villain and the introduction of Supergirl and Chloe Sullivan working at the Daily Planet and I would have liked to have seen that first. Well here's to hoping they just go with Matthew Vaughn for the sequel. Amy Adams said they were working on a script over a year ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 20:10:35 GMT
This is why I think they should have made 3 Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman movies before rushing ahead and having 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and the 'Justice League.' From what one of the producers of 'Man of Steel' said a few years ago there was supposed to be a second 'Man of Steel' movie which would have had Braniac as the main villain and the introduction of Supergirl and Chloe Sullivan working at the Daily Planet and I would have liked to have seen that first. Well here's to hoping they just go with Matthew Vaughn for the sequel. Amy Adams said they were working on a script over a year ago. I think they've kinda blown that possibility now that the DCEU actually seems to veering off into complete insanity, if the latest reports at to be believed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 6:13:35 GMT
This is why I think they should have made 3 Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman movies before rushing ahead and having 'Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice' and the 'Justice League.' From what one of the producers of 'Man of Steel' said a few years ago there was supposed to be a second 'Man of Steel' movie which would have had Braniac as the main villain and the introduction of Supergirl and Chloe Sullivan working at the Daily Planet and I would have liked to have seen that first. Well here's to hoping they just go with Matthew Vaughn for the sequel. Amy Adams said they were working on a script over a year ago. 
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