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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 28, 2017 9:17:44 GMT
If Jesus was God then the testing was surely moot anyway since not only would He have known what the tests were in advance, but also what His own reply would be. Nothing is a surprise to the omniscient 'outside of time and space'. the temptation was to use his power for his own earthly desires. Satan fell because he sought to lift himself higher than God. Jesus the Son subjected himself, not my own will but Thine be done. He sought to accomplish His purpose. The greatest temptation was to have power over all things. From the beginning of his ministry to the end, satan tried to destroy the work of God. At the end, Jesus said it is finished. He knew the end from the beginning. Now all things under heaven and earth have been subjected to Him. None of which affects my observation. And how can one 'tempt God to have power over all things' when any god worth its salt would have exactly that?
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Post by awhina on Feb 28, 2017 11:56:44 GMT
the temptation was to use his power for his own earthly desires. Satan fell because he sought to lift himself higher than God. Jesus the Son subjected himself, not my own will but Thine be done. He sought to accomplish His purpose. The greatest temptation was to have power over all things. From the beginning of his ministry to the end, satan tried to destroy the work of God. At the end, Jesus said it is finished. He knew the end from the beginning. Now all things under heaven and earth have been subjected to Him. None of which affects my observation. And how can one 'tempt God to have power over all things' when any god worth its salt would have exactly that? You know the answer to this which is stated above bec
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 28, 2017 12:09:15 GMT
None of which affects my observation. And how can one 'tempt God to have power over all things' when any god worth its salt would have exactly that? You know the answer to this which is stated above bec [sic]
If I knew the answer I would not ask.
And further to this, how can Christ be tempted if he already "knew the end from the beginning" ?
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Post by awhina on Feb 28, 2017 12:15:09 GMT
You know the answer to this which is stated above bec [sic]
If I knew the answer I would not ask.
And further to this, how can Christ be tempted if he already "knew the end from the beginning" ?
You have been told the answer many times before on the other board and earlier in the thread. Jesus willingly gave up his Godly knowledge and experience while he was here in human form.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:19:08 GMT
You know the answer to this which is stated above bec [sic]
If I knew the answer I would not ask.
And further to this, how can Christ be tempted if he already "knew the end from the beginning" ?
It is pretty obvious that Christ was tempted and fooled by me into wandering in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 28, 2017 12:29:52 GMT
If I knew the answer I would not ask.
And further to this, how can Christ be tempted if he already "knew the end from the beginning" ?
It is pretty obvious that Christ was tempted and fooled by me into wandering in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights. It is hard to fool an omniscient God.
My dark Lord, Cthulhu is bigger and better than you anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:39:27 GMT
It is pretty obvious that Christ was tempted and fooled by me into wandering in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights. It is hard to fool an omniscient God.
My dark Lord, Cthulhu is bigger and better than you anyway.
Can Cthulhu function outside liquid environment ?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 28, 2017 12:57:12 GMT
If I knew the answer I would not ask.
And further to this, how can Christ be tempted if he already "knew the end from the beginning" ?
You have been told the answer many times before on the other board and earlier in the thread. Jesus willingly gave up his Godly knowledge and experience while he was here in human form. I see, so then: Jesus was God but, er, without God's experience and knowledge? Is that really being 'God' at all? How could Christ be void or lacking of divine attributes, and still be, well, divine? I say unto you, special pleading is a wondrous thing. In fact contrary views from among the faithful are quick enough to find, such as this from the Christian Courier: And doesn't such a claim clash with the one very recently made by another Xian here, that your Jesus "knew from beginning to end"? Without Godly knowledge such omniscience might have been a stretch. Perhaps I better leave you to argue with one another. After, all as an atheist, it is enough to note the illogicalities. I don't really have an emotional investment in either position. But it ought to be obvious in either case that you can't have it both ways.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 28, 2017 12:57:55 GMT
It is hard to fool an omniscient God.
My dark Lord, Cthulhu is bigger and better than you anyway.
Can Cthulhu function outside liquid environment ? Indeed. And he has a bigger hat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 13:29:37 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 28, 2017 14:06:50 GMT
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