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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 2, 2017 17:51:56 GMT
I get why MCU fans hate all DCEU movies and always want DCEU movies to fail since they're afraid that the DCEU will dominate the CBM genre for the next decade. But I just don't get why MCU fans hate all the X-Men movies and always want X-Men movies to fail. The X-Men are part of Marvel Comics so why don't MCU fans want the X-Men movies to be successful?
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Post by charzhino on Jul 2, 2017 20:55:04 GMT
I get why MCU fans hate all DCEU movies and always want DCEU movies to fail since they're afraid that the DCEU will dominate the CBM genre for the next decade. But I just don't get why MCU fans hate all the X-Men movies and always want X-Men movies to fail. The X-Men are part of Marvel Comics so why don't MCU fans want the X-Men movies to be successful? Because MCU fanatics hate nothing more than comic films that have a serious tone and gravitas to them but no sunshine and lollipops. |
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Post by summers8 on Jul 2, 2017 21:12:25 GMT
to answer your question dc fan...most mcu fans are not marvel fans. people keep making this error. mcu fans are fans of mcu only. they have no knowledge or connection to marvel that is not mcu. x-men fans do. mcu fans are the modern marvel (as capcom says) that is now ruling forcefully over marvel with disney calling the shots...shoving mcu characters down our throats and pretending that x-men and f4 dont exist when x-men and f4 have made by far, greater contribution to the marvel universe than the mcu.
x-men fans are marvel fans, people that liked and loved marvel before all the mcu disney political bullshit.
X-Men fans don't care about mcu movies, some even like them but x-men fans just strongly believe that x-men stories and the world of x-men wont be good with the mcu world. I mean think about it, if x-men was in the mcu..... First Class, The Wolverine, DOFP, Logan and Deadpool wont never have been made.
mcu fans dont care about the world of x-men, they just want x-men in the mcu because they think it would be cool.
mcu fans hate x-men because they dont understand why another marvel created ip is successful and highly revered without the modern marvel.
x-men fans like the adult serious grounded comic films. X2, Logan, X-Men, DOFP, TDK.
mcu fans like the more juvenile happy go lucky lighted fluffy disney comic films.
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jul 3, 2017 9:32:56 GMT
I get why MCU fans hate all DCEU movies and always want DCEU movies to fail since they're afraid that the DCEU will dominate the CBM genre for the next decade. But I just don't get why MCU fans hate all the X-Men movies and always want X-Men movies to fail. The X-Men are part of Marvel Comics so why don't MCU fans want the X-Men movies to be successful? Hahahaha DCEU will never dominate CBMs, 4 films, 5 if you include Green Latern, 4 have been terrible, DCEU has peaked , after Justice League fails, no more big hitters, no more DCEU films that would have the potential to cross a billion , hahahahaha you fool |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 3, 2017 10:06:09 GMT
I get why MCU fans hate all DCEU movies and always want DCEU movies to fail since they're afraid that the DCEU will dominate the CBM genre for the next decade. But I just don't get why MCU fans hate all the X-Men movies and always want X-Men movies to fail. The X-Men are part of Marvel Comics so why don't MCU fans want the X-Men movies to be successful? Because MCU fanatics hate nothing more than comic films that have a serious tone and gravitas to them but no sunshine and lollipops. Nah, we just don't like pretentious nonsense. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 3, 2017 10:43:45 GMT
next to the artistic merits the Fox Men have achieved, it's foremost a commercial issue of survival. Marvel is running dry on resources: they have exhausted their more popular IPs such as Avengers. And - unlike with Spiderman/Bats/Supes - it is unlikely that after RDJ and others leave, audiences will accept new actors for these characters. Their core business, Marvel comics, do not sell anymore. So, their only financial stronghold is the successful MCU. Therefore, if they want to survive the next decade or so, they must branch out - either by inventing new stuff (lol), or by building upon obcure Marvel comic stuff (Black Catman, Cap Marvel etc), OR by regaining long sold IP. And the latter is where the impressive artistic and commercial success of creative, out-of-formula films such as Logan (best reviewed CBM ever), Deadpool or DoFP really aggravates them and their fans the most - to the level of weird butthurt and furious "films for people ashamed of comic books" discord. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 3, 2017 11:18:12 GMT
next to the artistic merits the Fox Men The message that "It's okay to be ashamed of comic books"? That's the only message those movies give off. That, and it's okay to exploit the Holocaust. DOFP got an artificial boost from the old cast coming back that it got audiences to ignore the banality of the story, and Logan had an easy time because it was Jackman's swan song. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 3, 2017 11:52:27 GMT
next to the artistic merits the Fox Men The message that "It's okay to be ashamed of comic books"? That's the only message those movies give off. That, and it's okay to exploit the Holocaust. DOFP got an artificial boost from the old cast coming back that it got audiences to ignore the banality of the story, and Logan had an easy time because it was Jackman's swan song.
so you are essentially agreeing with me on the point. Only fair and factual.
Apart from that, it's very OK to be ashamed of comic books when you are an adult. "Exploiting" the holocaust as depicted in the movies is as OK as exploiting 9/11 horrors by having silly aliens mess up NY offices to conquer earth. What is not OK though is to trivialize and infantilize the Nazis and World War II as such, as seen in Cap I by having laser gun fights and that incredibly idiotic "Hail Hydra" nonsense.
This dreck is not the “banality of evil”, but rather the “evil of banality”.
Btw by mentioning Logan, Deadpool or DoFP, I in no way intended to silence to death the other CBM masterworks and classics, such as X1, X2 or First Class. The former are genre defining creations. When Marvel states that they always watch and use Superman 1 as an template they seem to neglect to mention that it were X1 and X2 that showed them how modern CBM are done properly (with a little bit of allegory and gravitas). That is what really pisses MCU fans off to no end.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 3, 2017 12:08:02 GMT
The message that "It's okay to be ashamed of comic books"? That's the only message those movies give off. That, and it's okay to exploit the Holocaust. DOFP got an artificial boost from the old cast coming back that it got audiences to ignore the banality of the story, and Logan had an easy time because it was Jackman's swan song.
so you are essentially agreeing with me on the point. Only fair and factual.
Apart from that, it's very OK to be ashamed of comic books when you are an adult. "Exploiting" the holocaust as depicted in the movies is as OK as exploiting 9/11 horrors by having silly aliens mess up NY offices to conquer earth. What is not OK though is to trivialize and infantilize the Nazis and World War II as such, as seen in Cap I by having laser gun fights and that incredibly idiotic "Hail Hydra" nonsense.
This dreck is not the “banality of evil”, but rather the “evil of banality”.
Btw by mentioning Logan, Deadpool or DoFP, I in no way intended to silence to death the other CMB masterworks and classics, such as X1, X2 or First Class. The former are genre defining creations. When Marvel states that they always watch and use Superman 1 as an template they seem to neglect to mention that it were X1 and X2 that showed them how modern CBM are done properly (with a little bit of allegory and gravitas). That is what really pisses MCU fans off to no end.
I agree that the FoX-Men movies appeal to people ashamed of comics, if that's what you mean. People like that shouldn't be watching CBMs to begin with. Alien Invasions aren't on the same level as deliberately comparing the Holocaust to the Mutant thing in X-Men, which is just tasteless. And what The First Avenger did is no different than Indiana Jones. X1 was passable, X2 is just a rehash of X1 and First Class was average. They're outdated and wouldn't hold up if made today. |
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Post by charzhino on Jul 3, 2017 12:14:10 GMT
so you are essentially agreeing with me on the point. Only fair and factual.
Apart from that, it's very OK to be ashamed of comic books when you are an adult. "Exploiting" the holocaust as depicted in the movies is as OK as exploiting 9/11 horrors by having silly aliens mess up NY offices to conquer earth. What is not OK though is to trivialize and infantilize the Nazis and World War II as such, as seen in Cap I by having laser gun fights and that incredibly idiotic "Hail Hydra" nonsense.
This dreck is not the “banality of evil”, but rather the “evil of banality”.
Btw by mentioning Logan, Deadpool or DoFP, I in no way intended to silence to death the other CMB masterworks and classics, such as X1, X2 or First Class. The former are genre defining creations. When Marvel states that they always watch and use Superman 1 as an template they seem to neglect to mention that it were X1 and X2 that showed them how modern CBM are done properly (with a little bit of allegory and gravitas). That is what really pisses MCU fans off to no end.
I agree that the FoX-Men movies appeal to people ashamed of comics, if that's what you mean. People like that shouldn't be watching CBMs to begin with. Alien Invasions aren't on the same level as deliberately comparing the Holocaust to the Mutant thing in X-Men, which is just tasteless. And what The First Avenger did is no different than Indiana Jones. X1 was passable, X2 is just a rehash of X1 and First Class was average. They're outdated and wouldn't hold up if made today. If X2 came out today with upgraded special effects, it would be the best comic film of this year so far and yet to come. Good filmmaking trumps everything else and X2s perfect pacing and ensemble cast is timeless. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 3, 2017 12:21:33 GMT
I agree that the FoX-Men movies appeal to people ashamed of comics, if that's what you mean. People like that shouldn't be watching CBMs to begin with. Alien Invasions aren't on the same level as deliberately comparing the Holocaust to the Mutant thing in X-Men, which is just tasteless. And what The First Avenger did is no different than Indiana Jones. X1 was passable, X2 is just a rehash of X1 and First Class was average. They're outdated and wouldn't hold up if made today. If X2 came out today with upgraded special effects, it would be the best comic film of this year so far and yet to come. Good filmmaking trumps everything else and X2s perfect pacing and ensemble cast is timeless. Hardly, because it has actual competition as opposed to 2003 so people would be more willing to see its flaws and point them out. As well as Jean's stupidity at the end, Cyclops being shafted once again, Logan being the core of everything, Xavier being super-powerful until the plot says he isn't, etc. You're right in good film making trumping everything, and now people would see that X2 doesn't have it. |
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Post by sostie on Jul 3, 2017 12:52:54 GMT
I get why MCU fans hate all DCEU movies and always want DCEU movies to fail since they're afraid that the DCEU will dominate the CBM genre for the next decade. First let's get one thing sorted. I'm pretty sure there is a large majority of MCU fans that don't hate DCEU because they are some sort of threat. Some just don't like most of the films that have been part of the DCEU...and some actually like those films. It may seem there is a lot of hate toward DC from people that like Marvel films, but I think a lot of that has to do with reactions to some of the stuff you post (if you are a troll mission accomplished). As for franchise rivalry it appears everywhere. It seems most franchises have "factions". On here and the old IMDB there have been plenty that I can recall... Star Wars prequels vs the rest Disney Star Wars vs the rest Craig Bond haters vs the rest Nolan Batman vs DCEU etc etc |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:10:46 GMT
It's easy: because the Fox-Men films are terrible CBMs.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 3, 2017 16:47:24 GMT
next to the artistic merits the Fox Men have achieved, it's foremost a commercial issue of survival. Marvel is running dry on resources: they have exhausted their more popular IPs such as Avengers. And - unlike with Spiderman/Bats/Supes - it is unlikely that after RDJ and others leave, audiences will accept new actors for these characters. Their core business, Marvel comics, do not sell anymore. So, their only financial stronghold is the successful MCU. Therefore, if they want to survive the next decade or so, they must branch out - either by inventing new stuff (lol), or by building upon obcure Marvel comic stuff (Black Catman, Cap Marvel etc), OR by regaining long sold IP. And the latter is where the impressive artistic and commercial success of creative, out-of-formula films such as Logan (best reviewed CBM ever), Deadpool or DoFP really aggravates them and their fans the most - to the level of weird butthurt and furious "films for people ashamed of comic books" discord. OK, so basically Marvel knows that MCU has already reached its peak and will fade away (just like Disco reached its peak in the late 70s and then faded away) so Marvel wants all the X-Men movies to fail so they can get back the movie rights to X-Men because getting back the movie rights to the X-Men are Marvel's best hope to survive in the industry. Thanks for the great explanation.
By the way, what does "IP" stand for?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 3, 2017 16:58:54 GMT
next to the artistic merits the Fox Men have achieved, it's foremost a commercial issue of survival. Marvel is running dry on resources: they have exhausted their more popular IPs such as Avengers. And - unlike with Spiderman/Bats/Supes - it is unlikely that after RDJ and others leave, audiences will accept new actors for these characters. Their core business, Marvel comics, do not sell anymore. So, their only financial stronghold is the successful MCU. Therefore, if they want to survive the next decade or so, they must branch out - either by inventing new stuff (lol), or by building upon obcure Marvel comic stuff (Black Catman, Cap Marvel etc), OR by regaining long sold IP. And the latter is where the impressive artistic and commercial success of creative, out-of-formula films such as Logan (best reviewed CBM ever), Deadpool or DoFP really aggravates them and their fans the most - to the level of weird butthurt and furious "films for people ashamed of comic books" discord. OK, so basically Marvel knows that MCU has already reached its peak and will fade away (just like Disco reached its peak in the late 70s and then faded away) so Marvel wants all the X-Men movies to fail so they can get back the movie rights to X-Men because getting back the movie rights to the X-Men are Marvel's best hope to survive in the industry. Thanks for the great explanation.
By the way, what does "IP" stand for?
basically yes, worked with other Marvel IP.
"IP" stands for intellectual property, ie, trademarks, patents etc, including copyright - IP is just saying that they legally own characters/storyrights etc, and that those are legally protected.
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jul 3, 2017 17:01:37 GMT
next to the artistic merits the Fox Men have achieved, it's foremost a commercial issue of survival. Marvel is running dry on resources: they have exhausted their more popular IPs such as Avengers. And - unlike with Spiderman/Bats/Supes - it is unlikely that after RDJ and others leave, audiences will accept new actors for these characters. Their core business, Marvel comics, do not sell anymore. So, their only financial stronghold is the successful MCU. Therefore, if they want to survive the next decade or so, they must branch out - either by inventing new stuff (lol), or by building upon obcure Marvel comic stuff (Black Catman, Cap Marvel etc), OR by regaining long sold IP. And the latter is where the impressive artistic and commercial success of creative, out-of-formula films such as Logan (best reviewed CBM ever), Deadpool or DoFP really aggravates them and their fans the most - to the level of weird butthurt and furious "films for people ashamed of comic books" discord. OK, so basically Marvel knows that MCU has already reached its peak and will fade away (just like Disco reached its peak in the late 70s and then faded away) so Marvel wants all the X-Men movies to fail so they can get back the movie rights to X-Men because getting back the movie rights to the X-Men are Marvel's best hope to survive in the industry. Thanks for the great explanation.
By the way, what does "IP" stand for?
if marvel has peaked then how come 2017 the biggest CBM was a marvel movie? how come dr strange exceeded expectations? why didnt bvs reach a billion ? there has been 4 marvel films that made 1 billion? do you think DECU will cross a billion ? if justice league doesnt, who will ? |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 5, 2017 13:27:18 GMT
I just like good movie. The MCU makes them. X1, X2, and DOFP were also VERY good. First Class was decent. X3 and Apocalypse sucked. WW was good. Man of Steel was decent. BvS and SS were piles of garbage. I will like any movie, no matter the property, if done right. DC is just okay to me. WW was good and I really enjoyed it, but they still used the same ugly color tones they use for all of the DCEU movies and that terrible score they use annoys me too.
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