OT: Game of Thrones season 7

Can't wait for CleganeBowl!  Yeah the Sansa/Arya thing turned out to be the lesser of two evils we expected as an audience, but it was still dumb in retrospect.  I feel like they could've been more clever with the writing in the same amount of screen time and achieved the same thing.  And nobody cares about the Greyjoys. Yara is a useless character and I'm guessing the only way they make that interesting is if Theon and Yara show up and evacuate a bunch of people or something as the dead close in. Otherwise I don't see the audience investing any emotion in Yara.  

Bran's presence screws things up plot-wise the same way all time travel does.  I guess all seeing is technically different than all knowing, but he should be plugged into the machinations in KL to resolve that situation as quickly as possible.  It's been established he can't really spy on the Night King anyway, he may as well focus on things he can control. 

One other thing bothered me as I watched the Inside the Episode this morning.  Why couldn't Jon lie?  He did this before, with the wildlings.  This is even more important than that.  The fate of the world is hanging in the balance and he thinks it's wrong to lie to a liar?  How great would it have been if Bran gave Jon the lowdown on literally everything Cersei had done over the years and Jon just shouted it out in front of everyone (particularly the southern lords still following her)?  "You fucked your brother, you had his kids and put them on the throne after you conspired to kill Robert Baratheon.  You had my father imprisoned when he found out the truth, after he gave you the opportunity to take your children and run.  You blew up the Sept of Baelor with help from your friend Qyburn here.  You had Jaime throw my brother out a window at Winterfell because he caught you shagging in a tower.  You are as much to blame as anyone for the War of the Five Kings.  You have no legitimate claim to the throne.  I'm wondering why anyone here listens to you?" 

In all honesty, is there even a battle if Dany just lights up Cersei (and Qyburn for that matter) with Drogon at that meeting?  Would the Lannister forces even bother putting up a fight with no commander, two dragons circling overhead and an army of foreign heathens at the gate?  We're on the clock, people.  Time to go all in because the dead are on the march and they don't give a shit about honor, titles and thrones.  
          

That's the problem with the show: her only claim to the throne is her military force which is more or less depleted, but more so: how stupid is Tyrion - or the Iron Bank?!

They're betting on the weakest horse. And when the news about the army of the dead will break, it will be more so  their loss. The risk, and that is what bankers care about, will go through the roof.

Without the stupid fuck Tyrion  and his doing, the Night's King would have no dragon and the wall (and its magic) would  be still intact. Now his army is on the march headed by a dragon.
And all for nothing. And if Tyrion would know his sister, he had made the right conclusion: that it is impossible to reason with her.

The writers made Tyrion the stupiest *** alive. Millions will die, far more than by a precise attack on the Red Keep. 


Thx to the writers, I hate Tyrion the most by now...and how creepy he looked when Jon and Dany were together.

If Jon fucked them with his honesty, what did Tyrion: providing the NK with a dragon, letting the wall go down in this process, letting sail the gold to Braavos instead of intercepting it (Dragonstone lies direct at the entrance to the Blackwater Bay), letting Jon and Dany engage the WW in the false believe to have a truce, while Euron ships the Golden Company to Westeros providing Cercei with the army to go on.

And of course there is no intelligence provided by this Eunuch. Robert was better informed about Dany on an other continent, then Dany is now about their domestic waters.

This writing is ruining this show.

The built up momentum (=>like  final justice for Littlefinger) is doing it for now, but we are going further and further away from the material Martin provided and it becomes more and more a mess without any sense.

If Cercei and her actions are that important, or Euro so dangerous, why not let have Bran at least a short check on them once in a while.

I feel like you may not be watching the same show as the rest of us. Tyrion had NOTHING to do with the dragon and the Night King. In fact, he begged Dany not to risk it and stay behind which is seriously the exact opposite of that.

It was really Jon's idea. Tyrion was very hesitant to even believe the dead existed.

Tyrion has probably had his worst season yet. Every suggestion he's made, every strategy he's devised has been a loser. What happened to the player of the game from season 2? I was ready for him to slay Euron where he stood with a perfectly timed barb of razor sharp wit but it never came. 

I agree. For four season Tyrion was the undisputed best character on the show. Sure, we could have our favorites, but said got the best writing and gave the best acting. He was incredible. Since a crossbow went through Tywin's heart, Tyrion has been falling off more and more until he fell of a huge cliff this season. I just think he does not have much to do. He is more background to Jon and Dany now.

Excactly.
He caused this situation and he made too many mistakes and has lost Dany 100% trust. And not saving Jon would meant to lose her the most important (future-)ally - he bent the knee afterwards.
Tyrion fucked up big time.

It was his stupid and false assumption that is is possible to convince Cercei.
And his stance not to attack Cercei.

The Lannister sacked King's Landing around 20 years ago and? Cercei became the wife of Robert, and the people were fine with it.
A limited attack wouldn't have meant that much, espeacilly when you announced publicly to give King's Landing the chance to declare istself as an open city.
That would push the pressure on Cercei's side.

In Shakespeare's Henry V the city of Harfleur open its gates, and King Henry honors his pledge to spare the civilians. But before, he was threatening to burn it down to the ground.

1) Many grew up without mother...like Jon Snow, only that he was also a bastard and not allowed to sit with the rest of the family. And furthermore a evil stepmother that even wished his death. She admitted that this wish was wrong, but she wished it anyway.

2) How can he be a run-away father when he was present at Castely rock and how often is Cercei telling others, like Jaime in the last episdode, that she listened to her father while Jaime did not. How can they have many session of lecture if he was a run away father. After his dismissal as Hand of the Mad King he had returned for Castely Rock and took amongst other care of his children.
While at Harrenhal he told Arya how much trouble Jaime had to learn reading and writing. Cercei loved her father, and she did because he was, maybe a bit sterner, but like he was towards Arya. And albeit he was the head of house Lannister, he wasn't put on her list.
In the book she is aware how stupid it was not to kill him for he is the major anatgonist of her brother...but there is also this respect for a man, who was truly a great man. He did many evil things and that was also his doom. But if there had been no war (and it was ignited by Littlefinger) there had never been these evil actions. As Hand of the King he  had brought 20 years of peace and prosperity to all of Westeros.

3) She wanted to be queen, and she wanted to be maried with Robert (the same stupid girls idea that were also put in Sansa mind, ideas that had nothing in common with the reality)...it was in the wedding night, when he said Lyanna's and not her name, that something in her died. But that was Robert's faut, and many other women had worse husbands. LIke Sansa and Ramsay, albeit he was not even her husband. But Cercei was also unfaithfull and had three children with Jaime. She wasn't physically abused, lived in luxery, had the entire access to her children for Robert did not care for them, she had Jaime, and she had the title as queen, and she could play her game of thrones...how many women had to die in child bed or see their children starving to death?!
I guess more or less every mother in flea bottom has a harder live and more dead children (in the middle ages it was not uncommon to have 16 or more children and more than the half did not reach the first name day...so don't tell me about Cercei's losses which are nothing to the ones of poor women.

4) She loved only Jaime, and she had three children with him, later she fucks also everybody who is of use..."and maybe moonboy for all I know".

5) Poor women, and 90% plus x are poor, have to give half their children to the stranger. In the average (if taken the European figures of that era) eight children before their first name day. More even later on. And there children were no moster like Joffrey. And Joffrey become one due to her (and Robert's) bad parenting, albeit Robert was at least some boundaries like when he punished Joffrey afte  he had  sliced open the belly of a pregnant cat. Lady Olenna needed to protect her grand-child from this monster, a monster of Cercei's doing. The children were hers.


6) She falsely accused Tyrion, and in the chain of the events it came to the combat which cost Oberyn his live and made Ellaria Sand kill her daughter. Cercei reaped was she sow. Poetic justice...and Ellaria also got what she deserved.

7) For the crimes she confessed, and she did not even confess the worst ones. And it all started with the campaign against Maergery and it just backfired badly. Hence it was all her fault...and well-deserved.


8) Like in with the walk of shame or Joffrey: she is to blame. She killed his wife and love. And she had to, because she created the High Sparrow, and then she refused to take responsibilty for her crimes.


Her love for her children was one of two redeeming qualities she had - according to Tyrion.

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