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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 21, 2017 19:24:00 GMT
Latest ep only got 6.9.  on IGN. Probably watch it tonight, only keep the good ones for the weekend. Not surprising when you consider that it was probably the most brainless, logic-defying episode in the entire series. *SPOILERS* In the time it took for Gendry to run all the way back to the Wall, send a raven all the way to Dragonstone, and for Dany to fly all the way beyond the Wall, Jon and co were just sitting on that slope surrounded by watching foes? Either Dragonstone is literally just down the road or these writers think we're completely retarded. I know we're at a point where you have to try not to get too hung up on things like timing and geography but there's a limit. And that business in Winterfell? Arya has become an awful character, apparently no match at all for Littlefinger who completely manipulated her at the first attempt. Her and Sansa have each been through so much, yet the episode seems to suggest that they haven't even tried to talk about any of it once to each other. And why isn't Jon sending ravens to Winterfell? If you look at a map of Westeros, Dragonstone is about 2/3 of the way down from The Wall. And George Martin said Westeros is the size of South America. Ravens must fly really fast. I've been willing to ignore some of the time warp stuff on this show but that was ridiculous. And I think Arya and Sansa are playing Littlefinger. Red Sansa seems to have too much moxie to fall for his bullshit. He talks about Brienne being the protector and the Sansa sends her away just because Cercei says "c'mere"? I think the three Stark kiddies are putting on a performance for him, one that might have a sticky end next week. Either that, or that's not Arya... |
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 22, 2017 6:24:56 GMT
The numbers in the party beyond the wall also inexplicably and suddenly swelled with wildling redshirts, none of whom were even graced with a line of dialogue before being dispatched so that more important characters wouldn't have to be. It's just lazy writing of the lowest order.
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 22, 2017 11:42:34 GMT
You know what else is lazy? Not paying attention to what you are watching. Two nights passes after Gendry left. That means that they were waiting there, freezing, for two days. Sure, the travel is not the best, but you act like they were there for ten minutes.
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 22, 2017 11:50:23 GMT
Two days?? And that's BEFORE Gendry sent the raven which had to fly down to Dragonstone, and then for Dany to fly all the way back up? Across a continent the size of South America? None of this is questionable to you?
"But you act like they were there for ten minutes."
Not me, the SHOW acts like they were there for ten minutes. I'm painfully aware of how long they logically would be sitting there, which is what's preventing me from enjoying it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 22, 2017 11:58:55 GMT
Not surprising when you consider that it was probably the most brainless, logic-defying episode in the entire series. *SPOILERS* In the time it took for Gendry to run all the way back to the Wall, send a raven all the way to Dragonstone, and for Dany to fly all the way beyond the Wall, Jon and co were just sitting on that slope surrounded by watching foes? Either Dragonstone is literally just down the road or these writers think we're completely retarded. I know we're at a point where you have to try not to get too hung up on things like timing and geography but there's a limit. And that business in Winterfell? Arya has become an awful character, apparently no match at all for Littlefinger who completely manipulated her at the first attempt. Her and Sansa have each been through so much, yet the episode seems to suggest that they haven't even tried to talk about any of it once to each other. And why isn't Jon sending ravens to Winterfell? If you look at a map of Westeros, Dragonstone is about 2/3 of the way down from The Wall. And George Martin said Westeros is the size of South America. Ravens must fly really fast. I've been willing to ignore some of the time warp stuff on this show but that was ridiculous. And I think Arya and Sansa are playing Littlefinger. Red Sansa seems to have too much moxie to fall for his bullshit. He talks about Brienne being the protector and the Sansa sends her away just because Cercei says "c'mere"? I think the three Stark kiddies are putting on a performance for him, one that might have a sticky end next week. Either that, or that's not Arya... Ultimately I believe Arya and Sansa are going to turn it around on Littlefinger, but it still doesn't make any sense that they're at each other's throats like this. I hate it when intelligent characters act stupid just to fool the audience. There's no reason either of them would behave this way unless they thought Littlefinger was in the room with them. The writers are sacrificing story logic for a cheap thrill when the girls finally bust Petyr. And I have to agree, the writers have completely given up on travel time. They've always played loose and free with it on this show, but this season has taken it to another level. It's a shame they're rushing through these last two half seasons, I hope they don't completely ruin the show in this mad dash to the finish line. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 22, 2017 17:52:54 GMT
Ultimately I believe Arya and Sansa are going to turn it around on Littlefinger, but it still doesn't make any sense that they're at each other's throats like this. I hate it when intelligent characters act stupid just to fool the audience. There's no reason either of them would behave this way unless they thought Littlefinger was in the room with them. The writers are sacrificing story logic for a cheap thrill when the girls finally bust Petyr. And I have to agree, the writers have completely given up on travel time. They've always played loose and free with it on this show, but this season has taken it to another level. It's a shame they're rushing through these last two half seasons, I hope they don't completely ruin the show in this mad dash to the finish line. I'm wondering if they aren't acting stupid to fool Littlefinger. Arya hung around with the Mummers and their acting troop. She knows how to stage a show. Remember, they can't just kill him, they need the Knights of the Vale. If that is Arya (I still haven't completely given up on that) . The producers do have a point I seen in a recent interview. They asked the fan if they would feel better spending lots of time watching ravens flying to Dragonstone or Euron Greyjoy building his ships. The constraints of the remaining episodes are forcing their hand. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 22, 2017 18:11:15 GMT
Ultimately I believe Arya and Sansa are going to turn it around on Littlefinger, but it still doesn't make any sense that they're at each other's throats like this. I hate it when intelligent characters act stupid just to fool the audience. There's no reason either of them would behave this way unless they thought Littlefinger was in the room with them. The writers are sacrificing story logic for a cheap thrill when the girls finally bust Petyr. And I have to agree, the writers have completely given up on travel time. They've always played loose and free with it on this show, but this season has taken it to another level. It's a shame they're rushing through these last two half seasons, I hope they don't completely ruin the show in this mad dash to the finish line. I'm wondering if they aren't acting stupid to fool Littlefinger. Arya hung around with the Mummers and their acting troop. She knows how to stage a show. Remember, they can't just kill him, they need the Knights of the Vale. If that is Arya (I still haven't completely given up on that) . The producers do have a point I seen in a recent interview. They asked the fan if they would feel better spending lots of time watching ravens flying to Dragonstone or Euron Greyjoy building his ships. The constraints of the remaining episodes are forcing their hand. Even if they are trying to fool him, he wasn't in the room in when they were having that conversation. There's just no reason to be rude to each other in that situation., The only purpose is to throw the audience off the trail, it makes zero sense from the characters' perspective. As for the travel, that's a lame excuse they're going with. I don't need to see ravens flying but you can't build a fleet with no provisions in no time flat. It's really not a big deal for me, I still love the show. I don't think GRRM is ever going to finish the novels so I'll take what I can get from HBO. But there is a noticeable difference in attention to detail (or lack thereof) in the last two seasons. |
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Post by marsexplorer on Aug 22, 2017 19:21:39 GMT
You know what else is lazy? Not paying attention to what you are watching. Two nights passes after Gendry left. That means that they were waiting there, freezing, for two days. Sure, the travel is not the best, but you act like they were there for ten minutes. You live in a somewhat northern climate like I do so this begs a question. Did you notice how thick the ice was? Did anyone? It was barely thick enough to support a man. That means it was less than 4 inches thick. That means it wasn't very cold, around freezing at best. The way they were dressed Jon and co. could of lasted much more that 2 days. This is for all picking this episode apart: How long do you think, in real life, it would take Sansa to ride all the way to The Vale of Arryn, get The Knights of the Vale and ride back? I didn't hear anyone bitching about that. It would take a whole season to fill in the timeline. OK, a 10 minute shot of Sansa sitting by the fire, a 15 minute segment in Arya practicing her battle skills(again). A 20 minute shot of Bran taking a shit. HBO has deep pockets, but not deep enough to spend it on senseless fillers. Also didn't anyone think about the possibility that the Night King could have known that Dany would send dragons to help Jon, that is why he was waiting to attack. He would have the opportunity to kill the dragons. We all know he doesn't care at all about sacrificing his "men". Just sayin. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 22, 2017 19:33:57 GMT
You know what else is lazy? Not paying attention to what you are watching. Two nights passes after Gendry left. That means that they were waiting there, freezing, for two days. Sure, the travel is not the best, but you act like they were there for ten minutes. You live in a somewhat northern climate like I do so this begs a question. Did you notice how thick the ice was? Did anyone? It was barely thick enough to support a man. That means it was less than 4 inches thick. That means it wasn't very cold, around freezing at best. The way they were dressed Jon and co. could of lasted much more that 2 days. This is for all picking this episode apart: How long do you think, in real life, it would take Sansa to ride all the way to The Vale of Arryn, get The Knights of the Vale and ride back? I didn't hear anyone bitching about that. It would take a whole season to fill in the timeline. OK, a 10 minute shot of Sansa sitting by the fire, a 15 minute segment in Arya practicing her battle skills(again). A 20 minute shot of Bran taking a shit. HBO has deep pockets, but not deep enough to spend it on senseless fillers. Also didn't anyone think about the possibility that the Night King could have known that Dany would send dragons to help Jon, that is why he was waiting to attack. He would have the opportunity to kill the dragons. We all know he doesn't care at all about sacrificing his "men". Just sayin. I definitely think the Night King was using them for bait, he knew exactly what to do with that dragon. It's possible he's a greenseer himself, it's impossible to gauge how much he's aware of at this point. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Aug 22, 2017 19:45:54 GMT
You live in a somewhat northern climate like I do so this begs a question. Did you notice how thick the ice was? Did anyone? It was barely thick enough to support a man. That means it was less than 4 inches thick. That means it wasn't very cold, around freezing at best. The way they were dressed Jon and co. could of lasted much more that 2 days. This is for all picking this episode apart: How long do you think, in real life, it would take Sansa to ride all the way to The Vale of Arryn, get The Knights of the Vale and ride back? I didn't hear anyone bitching about that. It would take a whole season to fill in the timeline. OK, a 10 minute shot of Sansa sitting by the fire, a 15 minute segment in Arya practicing her battle skills(again). A 20 minute shot of Bran taking a shit. HBO has deep pockets, but not deep enough to spend it on senseless fillers. Also didn't anyone think about the possibility that the Night King could have known that Dany would send dragons to help Jon, that is why he was waiting to attack. He would have the opportunity to kill the dragons. We all know he doesn't care at all about sacrificing his "men". Just sayin. I definitely think the Night King was using them for bait, he knew exactly what to do with that dragon. It's possible he's a greenseer himself, it's impossible to gauge how much he's aware of at this point. Agreed. There'd be no other reason for them to have a spear like that at the ready. |
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 22, 2017 20:57:29 GMT
Ultimately I believe Arya and Sansa are going to turn it around on Littlefinger, but it still doesn't make any sense that they're at each other's throats like this. I hate it when intelligent characters act stupid just to fool the audience. There's no reason either of them would behave this way unless they thought Littlefinger was in the room with them. The writers are sacrificing story logic for a cheap thrill when the girls finally bust Petyr. And I have to agree, the writers have completely given up on travel time. They've always played loose and free with it on this show, but this season has taken it to another level. It's a shame they're rushing through these last two half seasons, I hope they don't completely ruin the show in this mad dash to the finish line. I'm wondering if they aren't acting stupid to fool Littlefinger. Arya hung around with the Mummers and their acting troop. She knows how to stage a show. Remember, they can't just kill him, they need the Knights of the Vale. If that is Arya (I still haven't completely given up on that) . The producers do have a point I seen in a recent interview. They asked the fan if they would feel better spending lots of time watching ravens flying to Dragonstone or Euron Greyjoy building his ships. The constraints of the remaining episodes are forcing their hand. Maybe not him but some of his paid eyes and ears...in the next room. |
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 22, 2017 22:17:38 GMT
You know what else is lazy? Not paying attention to what you are watching. Two nights passes after Gendry left. That means that they were waiting there, freezing, for two days. Sure, the travel is not the best, but you act like they were there for ten minutes. You live in a somewhat northern climate like I do so this begs a question. Did you notice how thick the ice was? Did anyone? It was barely thick enough to support a man. That means it was less than 4 inches thick. That means it wasn't very cold, around freezing at best. The way they were dressed Jon and co. could of lasted much more that 2 days. This is for all picking this episode apart: How long do you think, in real life, it would take Sansa to ride all the way to The Vale of Arryn, get The Knights of the Vale and ride back? I didn't hear anyone bitching about that. It would take a whole season to fill in the timeline. OK, a 10 minute shot of Sansa sitting by the fire, a 15 minute segment in Arya practicing her battle skills(again). A 20 minute shot of Bran taking a shit. HBO has deep pockets, but not deep enough to spend it on senseless fillers. Also didn't anyone think about the possibility that the Night King could have known that Dany would send dragons to help Jon, that is why he was waiting to attack. He would have the opportunity to kill the dragons. We all know he doesn't care at all about sacrificing his "men". Just sayin. Basically..... www.digitalspy.com/tv/game-of-thrones/news/a836195/game-of-thrones-season-7-beyond-the-wall-timing-issue/ |
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 23, 2017 2:21:37 GMT
This is for all picking this episode apart: How long do you think, in real life, it would take Sansa to ride all the way to The Vale of Arryn, get The Knights of the Vale and ride back? I didn't hear anyone bitching about that. If I recall correctly, she didn't ride there and back, she sent a raven to Littlefinger. It's the same issues although a tiny bit easier to rationalize due to the distance not being quite as great. Nonetheless, people certainly complained about it. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 23, 2017 12:32:39 GMT
There was a good article online that explained the timeline for the episode and how it works. It makes sense. They were there for almost two days. She is on a dragon. Her travel time is minimal. However, she was going 140 mph for it to work. I wonder how she doesn't fall off.
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 23, 2017 13:42:36 GMT
There was a good article online that explained the timeline for the episode and how it works. It makes sense. They were there for almost two days. She is on a dragon. Her travel time is minimal. However, she was going 140 mph for it to work. I wonder how she doesn't fall off. Can ravens also fly at 140mph? |
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 23, 2017 14:14:23 GMT
This is for all picking this episode apart: How long do you think, in real life, it would take Sansa to ride all the way to The Vale of Arryn, get The Knights of the Vale and ride back? I didn't hear anyone bitching about that. If I recall correctly, she didn't ride there and back, she sent a raven to Littlefinger. It's the same issues although a tiny bit easier to rationalize due to the distance not being quite as great. Nonetheless, people certainly complained about it. ...and Littlefinger was already on the move. Did you forget the little chat when Lord Royce was threatened on his own estate, but Littlefinger was nice enough to let him live: This was well before she sent the raven: This was after they had received the letter from the Bolton bastard and raised an army. But Jon was unwilling to listen to Sansa. She was right: they had not enough men (and then Jon ran in Ramsay trap - again: not listening to Sansa). Anyway: the army of the vale was already mobilized and on the march. I guess in this case the Jewish writers were still able to relay on Martin's marterial - before warp- and teleport jumps replace good and plausible writing. But worse are plots like getting a wight to convince Cercei and by this giving the Night's King a dragon and thus the capability to overcome the wall. I'm not sure if Martin had come up with the the same when he provided the basic plot-lines of the next books. |
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 23, 2017 14:19:02 GMT
If I recall correctly, she didn't ride there and back, she sent a raven to Littlefinger. It's the same issues although a tiny bit easier to rationalize due to the distance not being quite as great. Nonetheless, people certainly complained about it. ...and Littlefinger was already on the move. Did you forget the little chat when Lord Royce was threatened on his own estate, but Littlefinger was nice enough to let him live: This was well before she sent the raven: This was after they had received the letter from the Bolton bastard and raised an army. But Jon was unwilling to listen to Sansa. She was right: they had not enough men (and then Jon ran in Ramsay trap - again: not listening to Sansa). Anyway: the army of the vale was already mobilized and on the march. I guess in this case the Jewish writers were still able to relay on Martin's marterial - before warp- and teleport jumps replace good and plausible writing. But worse are plots like getting a wight to convince Cercei and by this giving the Night's King a dragon and thus the capability to overcome the wall. I'm not sure if Martin had come up with the the same when he provided the basic plot-lines of the next books. No, I'm aware of all that. I never had a problem with the Knights of the Vale arriving in that episode. I'm just saying, people in general did raise the issue. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 23, 2017 14:23:26 GMT
There was a good article online that explained the timeline for the episode and how it works. It makes sense. They were there for almost two days. She is on a dragon. Her travel time is minimal. However, she was going 140 mph for it to work. I wonder how she doesn't fall off. Can ravens also fly at 140mph? And how fast can Gendry run, and how far away were they? Somebody do the math on that one. The time/distance problems are glaring this season, but honestly I don't care that much. But it only gets worse the more you think about it-- which is exactly what happens when people try to defend it. |
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 23, 2017 14:28:59 GMT
Can't wait for the Wall to fall at the beginning of the next episode and the Night King showing up in King's Landing an hour later!
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Post by DSDSquared on Aug 23, 2017 17:12:48 GMT
Time passes. People seem to think that only what we see on screen is all that is happening. It is not. Day while they were up north. Sansa says Jon has been gone for weeks when she talks to Littlefinger. This season has already been months long in their time at least.
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