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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 8, 2017 17:43:09 GMT
They apparently have the episodes too and are threatening to release them. Or what? Are they demanding free HBO subscriptions or something?
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Post by marco26 on Aug 8, 2017 17:58:10 GMT
They apparently have the episodes too and are threatening to release them. Once again...so what?!? Most idiotic hackers in history. Their threats are even less effective than, "Ohh, I'm gonna pinch you so hard!"
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Post by marsexplorer on Aug 9, 2017 5:15:33 GMT
Just had a chance to watch and it was epic. Cersi's only savior now is when Daenerys sends her army and dragons north to help Jon. Maybe then she can regroup. Man, Littlefinger is a conniving SOB. Playing Arya and Sansa at the same time. I am curious to find out what he wants out of it all.
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 9, 2017 5:28:47 GMT
I'm interested in when the Hound shows up at the Wall. My guess is that the next episode will feature a devastating attack on the Wall by the Night King, killing many. Hound/Beric will arrive at the Wall around the same time as a returning Jon in episode 6, and join them for a last stand, but the Wall will fall (in 7).
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Post by marsexplorer on Aug 9, 2017 21:52:09 GMT
I'm interested in when the Hound shows up at the Wall. My guess is that the next episode will feature a devastating attack on the Wall by the Night King, killing many. Hound/Beric will arrive at the Wall around the same time as a returning Jon in episode 6, and join them for a last stand, but the Wall will fall (in 7). I predict that Arya will get the ultimate revenge and kill Cersi with the dagger made of Valyrian steel that killed her mother. I think this was Littlefinger's intention when he gave the dagger to Bran. Also Danenrys and Jon will become romatically involved. What when this will happen I don't know.
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 10, 2017 0:21:34 GMT
I'm interested in when the Hound shows up at the Wall. My guess is that the next episode will feature a devastating attack on the Wall by the Night King, killing many. Hound/Beric will arrive at the Wall around the same time as a returning Jon in episode 6, and join them for a last stand, but the Wall will fall (in 7). I predict that Arya will get the ultimate revenge and kill Cersi with the dagger made of Valyrian steel that killed her mother. I think this was Littlefinger's intention when he gave the dagger to Bran. Also Danenrys and Jon will become romatically involved. What when this will happen I don't know. That dagger didn't kill Catelyn, it was used in an attempt on Bran's life. Unless you meant "killed her mother" as in resulted in her leaving Winterfell which eventually led to her death.
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Post by marsexplorer on Aug 13, 2017 19:49:04 GMT
I predict that Arya will get the ultimate revenge and kill Cersi with the dagger made of Valyrian steel that killed her mother. I think this was Littlefinger's intention when he gave the dagger to Bran. Also Danenrys and Jon will become romatically involved. What when this will happen I don't know. That dagger didn't kill Catelyn, it was used in an attempt on Bran's life. Unless you meant "killed her mother" as in resulted in her leaving Winterfell which eventually led to her death. Yep, I watched again and you are right. I must of misheard the 1st time. Thanks. Really looking forward to tonight's episode.
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Post by marsexplorer on Aug 14, 2017 3:42:21 GMT
Regarding tonight's episode:
Toasty Get a room Bitch Bitch Plotting Douchebag Yes! HELL YES!
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Post by poelzig on Aug 14, 2017 8:27:41 GMT
Just had a chance to watch and it was epic. Cersi's only savior now is when Daenerys sends her army and dragons north to help Jon. Maybe then she can regroup. Man, Littlefinger is a conniving SOB. Playing Arya and Sansa at the same time. I am curious to find out what he wants out of it all. A three way? He is a sick creep after all.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 14, 2017 12:17:27 GMT
Regarding tonight's episode: Toasty Get a room Bitch Bitch Plotting Douchebag Yes! HELL YES!Westerosi Avengers Assemble! I was just speculating on who isn't going to make it back. I don't think it makes sense to kill off Jon, the Hound, or Jorah right now. (Of course it's GOT, so the standard TV rules do not apply, but still.) Maybe Tormund. Possibly Beric and Thoros sacrifice themselves somehow. It would be lame but so very GRRM to reintroduce Gendry only to kill him off in the next episode. Cannot wait to see that team in action. (I read a spoiler about this scene some months ago and if it's true...twitter is going to break the internet so fast your phone will explode in your pocket.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 14, 2017 13:00:00 GMT
Just had a chance to watch and it was epic. Cersi's only savior now is when Daenerys sends her army and dragons north to help Jon. Maybe then she can regroup. Man, Littlefinger is a conniving SOB. Playing Arya and Sansa at the same time. I am curious to find out what he wants out of it all. It does no matter, otherwise Bran would tell them. EDIT: I guess Cercei and Littlefinger are the only ones who are still playing the old game - very good, but it is the old game. They might even win their game, but automatically lose the new one for they lack the means to win it. The Iron Bank, gold, mercenaries, large bolts, even wild fire, will help them much. The Knight's King is the big game changer - and fire meant not much too them (white walkers) and they can summond massive blizzard that can even wipe dragons out of the sky.
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 14, 2017 13:33:17 GMT
A pretty huge episode in terms of legacy and mythology. Rhaegar indeed annulled his marriage to Elia and married Lyanna, making Jon his trueborn son and heir to the throne rather than a bastard. Gendry returns; Jaime and Tyrion reunited; Cersei is pregnant (No way she lives long enough to give birth); Arya being turned against Sansa; Jorah to the Wall with Hound and co. Loved that whole sequence uniting Jon with Tormund, Jorah, Gendry, Hound, Beric and Thoros. Final two episodes promise to be electric.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 14, 2017 14:02:13 GMT
A pretty huge episode in terms of legacy and mythology. Rhaegar indeed annulled his marriage to Elia and married Lyanna, making Jon his trueborn son and heir to the throne rather than a bastard. Gendry returns; Jaime and Tyrion reunited; Cersei is pregnant (No way she lives long enough to give birth); Arya being turned against Sansa; Jorah to the Wall with Hound and co. Loved that whole sequence uniting Jon with Tormund, Jorah, Hound, Beric and Thoros. Final two episodes promise to be electric. But I couldn't believe that the writers make him ignoring this most crucial information...but there is Bran, and I guess this book was one of those he took with him. Killing Lord Tarley was the right thing to do: Dany can't allow the likes of Lord Bolton or Tarley among herself. Tarley betrayed his liege Lords not only because Cercei was born in Westeros and grown up there, but like Lord Bolton, due to his ambitions - Warden of the South - and because he thought himself to be a better than his Lords. He grew a backbone for the wrong reasons...too bad that he had indoctrinate his son with the same BS. After Robert defeated house Targaryen - he, Tarley, was sworn too - he had no problem to accept Robert as his new king, and now, when a Targaryen returns to restore their rule - and it was them who founded the seven kingdoms in the first place - not the Lannisters, who have no legal claim at all - he can't take the black for she is not his Queen?! Gosh...how many times has he turned his cloak...Targaryen, Baratheon, Tyrell, Lannister...he was worse than Theon.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 14, 2017 14:23:26 GMT
A pretty huge episode in terms of legacy and mythology. Rhaegar indeed annulled his marriage to Elia and married Lyanna, making Jon his trueborn son and heir to the throne rather than a bastard. Gendry returns; Jaime and Tyrion reunited; Cersei is pregnant (No way she lives long enough to give birth); Arya being turned against Sansa; Jorah to the Wall with Hound and co. Loved that whole sequence uniting Jon with Tormund, Jorah, Gendry, Hound, Beric and Thoros. Final two episodes promise to be electric. It was a fun reveal but does it even matter at this point? Jon has no interest in being king, and what will be left to rule after the war against the dead? If Jon survives, or whoever eventually takes the throne, they'll institute a more democratic government. It's just the way the story has been going from the beginning. Westeros will be forever changed by this war. It's possible Jon sacrifices himself during the war at some point, but I'm almost certain Dany is going to be killed so Jon's legal claim is irrelevant, really. Presuming he lives, he's the man who brought the freefolk and all the kingdoms together to defeat the Night King. The people would accept no other leader at that point.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 14, 2017 14:33:14 GMT
A pretty huge episode in terms of legacy and mythology. Rhaegar indeed annulled his marriage to Elia and married Lyanna, making Jon his trueborn son and heir to the throne rather than a bastard. Gendry returns; Jaime and Tyrion reunited; Cersei is pregnant (No way she lives long enough to give birth); Arya being turned against Sansa; Jorah to the Wall with Hound and co. Loved that whole sequence uniting Jon with Tormund, Jorah, Hound, Beric and Thoros. Final two episodes promise to be electric. But I couldn't believe that the writers make him ignoring this most crucial information...but there is Bran, and I guess this book was one of those he took with him. Killing Lord Tarley was the right thing to do: Dany can't allow the likes of Lord Bolton or Tarley among herself. Tarley betrayed his liege Lords not only because Cercei was born in Westeros and grown up there, but like Lord Bolton, due to his ambitions - Warden of the South - and because he thought himself to be a better than his Lords. He grew a backbone for the wrong reasons...too bad that he had indoctrinate his son with the same BS. After Robert defeated house Targaryen - he, Tarley, was sworn too - he had no problem to accept Robert as his new king, and now, when a Targaryen returns to restore their rule - and it was them who founded the seven kingdoms in the first place - not the Lannisters, who have no legal claim at all - he can't take the black for she is not his Queen?! Gosh...how many times has he turned his cloak...Targaryen, Baratheon, Tyrell, Lannister...he was worse than Theon. Keep in mind that Sam has no idea Ned took a baby from the Tower of Joy so it's useless information as far as he knows. Rhaegar annulled his marriage, so what? They're all dead so it doesn't matter. Sam doesn't know what Bran knows. Again, I think Jon's legitimacy is irrelevant at this point, anyway. Agreed on Tarly. She gave him a choice and he refused to sell out for the first time in his life. Tarly had switched alliances so many times he couldn't be trusted even if he did bend the knee. Robert Baratheon would've done the same thing, and everyone accepted him as king.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 14, 2017 14:40:56 GMT
But I couldn't believe that the writers make him ignoring this most crucial information...but there is Bran, and I guess this book was one of those he took with him. Killing Lord Tarley was the right thing to do: Dany can't allow the likes of Lord Bolton or Tarley among herself. Tarley betrayed his liege Lords not only because Cercei was born in Westeros and grown up there, but like Lord Bolton, due to his ambitions - Warden of the South - and because he thought himself to be a better than his Lords. He grew a backbone for the wrong reasons...too bad that he had indoctrinate his son with the same BS. After Robert defeated house Targaryen - he, Tarley, was sworn too - he had no problem to accept Robert as his new king, and now, when a Targaryen returns to restore their rule - and it was them who founded the seven kingdoms in the first place - not the Lannisters, who have no legal claim at all - he can't take the black for she is not his Queen?! Gosh...how many times has he turned his cloak...Targaryen, Baratheon, Tyrell, Lannister...he was worse than Theon. Keep in mind that Sam has no idea Ned took a baby from the Tower of Joy so it's useless information as far as he knows. Rhaegar annulled his marriage, so what? They're all dead so it doesn't matter. Sam doesn't know what Bran knows. Again, I think Jon's legitimacy is irrelevant at this point, anyway. Agreed on Tarly. She gave him a choice and he refused to sell out for the first time in his life. Tarly had switched alliances so many times he couldn't be trusted even if he did bend the knee. Robert Baratheon would've done the same thing, and everyone accepted him as king. Rhaegar was not just some dude but the hier to the Iron THrone, and he had abducted only one women, and this caused an entire war...so it was a fair guess that the bride was Lyanna Stark...and who knows what else was written in that book. And everybody knows that Jon is a bastards Ned brought back from the South. But I guess Bran will bring forward the truth and then Sam will recall the book to have a written proof for the like of Lord Royce.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 14, 2017 14:47:48 GMT
Keep in mind that Sam has no idea Ned took a baby from the Tower of Joy so it's useless information as far as he knows. Rhaegar annulled his marriage, so what? They're all dead so it doesn't matter. Sam doesn't know what Bran knows. Again, I think Jon's legitimacy is irrelevant at this point, anyway. Agreed on Tarly. She gave him a choice and he refused to sell out for the first time in his life. Tarly had switched alliances so many times he couldn't be trusted even if he did bend the knee. Robert Baratheon would've done the same thing, and everyone accepted him as king. Rhaegar was not just some dude but the hier to the Iron THrone, and he had abducted only one women, and this caused an entire war...so it was a fair guess that the bride was Lyanna Stark...and who knows what else was written in that book. And everybody knows that Jon is a bastards Ned brought back from the South. But I guess Bran will bring forward the truth and then Sam will recall the book to have a written proof for the like of Lord Royce. Rhaegar and Lyanna are both dead, nobody knew they had a child. It's an established fact (as far as anyone in Westeros knows) that Jon is Ned's bastard son. You're expecting characters to make leaps in logic that don't fit their knowledge of the world. It's like watching a movie you've already seen and being surprised when somebody who hasn't seen it didn't expect the twist coming.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Aug 14, 2017 15:37:04 GMT
Rhaegar was not just some dude but the hier to the Iron THrone, and he had abducted only one women, and this caused an entire war...so it was a fair guess that the bride was Lyanna Stark...and who knows what else was written in that book. And everybody knows that Jon is a bastards Ned brought back from the South. But I guess Bran will bring forward the truth and then Sam will recall the book to have a written proof for the like of Lord Royce. Rhaegar and Lyanna are both dead, nobody knew they had a child. It's an established fact (as far as anyone in Westeros knows) that Jon is Ned's bastard son. You're expecting characters to make leaps in logic that don't fit their knowledge of the world. It's like watching a movie you've already seen and being surprised when somebody who hasn't seen it didn't expect the twist coming. There is one more person alive who knows about their child - Howland Reed (Meera's and Jojen's father). We actually haven't seen Howland Reed during the entirety of the series except in Bran's visions of the Tower of Joy. It's been speculated that he has a part to play as he's a pretty important character in the books. Time will tell.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 14, 2017 15:57:04 GMT
Rhaegar and Lyanna are both dead, nobody knew they had a child. It's an established fact (as far as anyone in Westeros knows) that Jon is Ned's bastard son. You're expecting characters to make leaps in logic that don't fit their knowledge of the world. It's like watching a movie you've already seen and being surprised when somebody who hasn't seen it didn't expect the twist coming. There is one more person alive who knows about their child - Howland Reed (Meera's and Jojen's father). We actually haven't seen Howland Reed during the entirety of the series except in Bran's visions of the Tower of Joy. It's been speculated that he has a part to play as he's a pretty important character in the books. Time will tell. We can assume at least one of the nurses (there were multiple women in the scene, right?) are still alive and they know the truth. When I said nobody I meant the general public, but yeah Howland is out there somewhere. We still haven't met Howland in the books, either. And as they're apparently writing out Meera on the show, I wonder how relevant Howland will be to the show at this point. I enjoyed the call back line last night, "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come." That's what Ser Arthur Dayne said to Ned before the battle at the Tower of Joy.
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 14, 2017 16:20:18 GMT
I enjoyed the call back line last night, "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come." That's what Ser Arthur Dayne said to Ned before the battle at the Tower of Joy. It's also what Mance Rayder said to Stannis just before being executed.
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