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Post by brownstones on Jul 10, 2017 21:47:59 GMT
Tony recruited more people between Civil War and Homecoming. We'll be formally introduced to them in Infinity War. At this point they really should just include Agents of SHIELD as part of the Avengers. Or at least Avengers-in-training. People like Skye and even Yo-Yo already have more completed missions than Scarlet Witch and Vision. i'd still be surprised if they actually decide to bring that series into the film.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 11, 2017 2:06:51 GMT
Once an avenger. Always an avenger. Not if Thor doesn't sign the Sokovia Accords. If he doesn't sign them, then he's out of the Avengers.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 11, 2017 2:08:53 GMT
Tony recruited more people between Civil War and Homecoming. We'll be formally introduced to them in Infinity War. At this point they really should just include Agents of SHIELD as part of the Avengers. Or at least Avengers-in-training. People like Skye and even Yo-Yo already have more completed missions than Scarlet Witch and Vision. Nobody watches Agents of SHIELD (the ratings are so consistently low that it's on the bubble for cancellation at the end of every season) so nobody would know who the fuck Skye and Yo-Yo are.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 11, 2017 2:30:02 GMT
It's doubtful that the UN would do anything to antagonize an advanced Alien Kingdom that's protected Earth in the past. So in that regard, they'd make adjustments to the Accords for Thor.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 11, 2017 6:01:32 GMT
It's doubtful that the UN would do anything to antagonize an advanced Alien Kingdom that's protected Earth in the past. So in that regard, they'd make adjustments to the Accords for Thor.
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Post by Jerk on Jul 11, 2017 6:22:44 GMT
Once an avenger. Always an avenger. Not if Thor doesn't sign the Sokovia Accords. If he doesn't sign them, then he's out of the Avengers. The sokovia accords will be amended or disregarded at some point. Its just a piece of paper.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 18:56:18 GMT
Regarding Thor and Hulk and the Sokovia Accords:
I think Thor would ultimately sign them, while Hulk wouldn't. Thor would respect the fact that he's a visitor here, so he would play by whatever rules the world wanted him to (within reason). Hulk, on the other hand, wouldn't want to be used as Secretary Ross's personal weapon, so he'd likely join Cap's team in hiding.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 11, 2017 20:00:24 GMT
Once an avenger. Always an avenger. Not if Thor doesn't sign the Sokovia Accords. If he doesn't sign them, then he's out of the Avengers. I doubt Thor cares one whit about a piece of paper signed my human leaders when he's trying to save the 9 realms from Thanos. He'll come to help his fellow Avengers, regardless of whether the government recognizes him as an Avenger.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 11, 2017 21:02:53 GMT
Not if Thor doesn't sign the Sokovia Accords. If he doesn't sign them, then he's out of the Avengers. I doubt Thor cares one whit about a piece of paper signed my human leaders when he's trying to save the 9 realms from Thanos. He'll come to help his fellow Avengers, regardless of whether the government recognizes him as an Avenger. So once again, the Avengers are going to disregard the authority of the people and be rulers or dictators over the people like Cap wanted in Civil War. So Infinity War is basically going to be 1 tyrant vs a group of tyrants to see who gets to rule over the people of Earth.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 11, 2017 21:43:34 GMT
I doubt Thor cares one whit about a piece of paper signed my human leaders when he's trying to save the 9 realms from Thanos. He'll come to help his fellow Avengers, regardless of whether the government recognizes him as an Avenger. So once again, the Avengers are going to disregard the authority of the people and be rulers or dictators over the people like Cap wanted in Civil War. So Infinity War is basically going to be 1 tyrant vs a group of tyrants to see who gets to rule over the people of Earth.
Since none of the Avengers have expressed their desire to rule over anyone, they can't be tyrants. Vigilantes is the word you're looking for. If you're going to troll, at least make sure you get your terminology correct.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 12, 2017 0:52:40 GMT
I doubt Thor cares one whit about a piece of paper signed my human leaders when he's trying to save the 9 realms from Thanos. He'll come to help his fellow Avengers, regardless of whether the government recognizes him as an Avenger. So once again, the Avengers are going to disregard the authority of the people and be rulers or dictators over the people like Cap wanted in Civil War. So Infinity War is basically going to be 1 tyrant vs a group of tyrants to see who gets to rule over the people of Earth.
Wow, you really need to get off your high horse about this "Tyrant" bullshit. Tell me how Cap is a tyrant? Give me an example. And disregarding authorities isn't an example. I suggest you look up the word Tyrant and Dictator, and research some of the most famous ones out there, then compare them to Captain America, then try telling me that he's a dictator.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 12, 2017 1:42:35 GMT
I doubt Thor cares one whit about a piece of paper signed my human leaders when he's trying to save the 9 realms from Thanos. He'll come to help his fellow Avengers, regardless of whether the government recognizes him as an Avenger. So once again, the Avengers are going to disregard the authority of the people and be rulers or dictators over the people like Cap wanted in Civil War. So Infinity War is basically going to be 1 tyrant vs a group of tyrants to see who gets to rule over the people of Earth.
If Batman or Superman refused to sign away their freedom to the UN, you wouldn't be complaining.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 12, 2017 3:19:10 GMT
So once again, the Avengers are going to disregard the authority of the people and be rulers or dictators over the people like Cap wanted in Civil War. So Infinity War is basically going to be 1 tyrant vs a group of tyrants to see who gets to rule over the people of Earth.
Wow, you really need to get off your high horse about this "Tyrant" bullshit. Tell me how Cap is a tyrant? Give me an example. Cap doesn't want the Avengers to be held accountable for the deaths and destruction that they caused and wants to have unconditional, unilateral, and unlimited power to decide what's best for the people (just like Hitler and Stalin and Castro and many other tyrants throughout history wanted).
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 12, 2017 3:25:11 GMT
So once again, the Avengers are going to disregard the authority of the people and be rulers or dictators over the people like Cap wanted in Civil War. So Infinity War is basically going to be 1 tyrant vs a group of tyrants to see who gets to rule over the people of Earth.
If Batman or Superman refused to sign away their freedom to the UN, you wouldn't be complaining. The UN isn't taking away anyone's freedom or forcing anyone to sign something they don't want to sign. Anyone who doesn't want to sign the Sokovia Accords can choose to retire without signing them and the UN isn't going to take away their freedom for choosing to retire and not sign them.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 12, 2017 4:16:42 GMT
If Batman or Superman refused to sign away their freedom to the UN, you wouldn't be complaining. The UN isn't taking away anyone's freedom or forcing anyone to sign something they don't want to sign. Anyone who doesn't want to sign the Sokovia Accords can choose to retire without signing them and the UN isn't going to take away their freedom for choosing to retire and not sign them. No matter what you say, he'll say the opposite just to be a contrarian dickbag. He is incapable of actual discussion in the sense of exchanging ideas. He makes me question the tenets of secular humanism, because he appears to truly contribute absolutely nothing to anyone anywhere.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 12, 2017 8:52:25 GMT
If Batman or Superman refused to sign away their freedom to the UN, you wouldn't be complaining. The UN isn't taking away anyone's freedom or forcing anyone to sign something they don't want to sign. Anyone who doesn't want to sign the Sokovia Accords can choose to retire without signing them and the UN isn't going to take away their freedom for choosing to retire and not sign them. If they don't sign, they're "retired" whether they like it or not. That's taking away their freedom of choice. So it's a choice between turned into living weapons/hitmen for the UN or being essentially forced into House Arrest for the rest of their lives since there's little chance the Governments would just leave them be if they "retired".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 12:27:36 GMT
If Batman or Superman refused to sign away their freedom to the UN, you wouldn't be complaining. The UN isn't taking away anyone's freedom or forcing anyone to sign something they don't want to sign. Anyone who doesn't want to sign the Sokovia Accords can choose to retire without signing them and the UN isn't going to take away their freedom for choosing to retire and not sign them. Superman disregards that shit all the time. He even destroys a multimillion drone. He wouldn't sign no accord. He would be Team Cap.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 12, 2017 16:25:18 GMT
The UN isn't taking away anyone's freedom or forcing anyone to sign something they don't want to sign. Anyone who doesn't want to sign the Sokovia Accords can choose to retire without signing them and the UN isn't going to take away their freedom for choosing to retire and not sign them. If they don't sign, they're "retired" whether they like it or not. That's taking away their freedom of choice. No, it's not taking away their freedom of choice. They're free to choose whether to sign the Sokovia Accords to remain on the team or retire.
It's no different than if I buy a ticket on a commercial passenger flight from San Francisco to Los Angeles. If I want to get on the flight, I have to be willing to go through a X-Ray scanner at the airport and subject my luggage to inspection. If I don't want to do that, then I have the freedom to choose to not fly and drive instead.
So fly or drive. The choice is still mine. No one is forcing me to choose to fly. I can simply just drive if I don't want to go through the X-Ray scanner at the airport or subject my luggage to inspection.
Likewise, stay with the team or retire. The choice is still theirs. The government isn't forcing them to stay with the team. They can simply just retire and walk away if they don't want to sign the Sokovia Accords. So it's a choice between turned into living weapons/hitmen for the UN or being essentially forced into House Arrest for the rest of their lives since there's little chance the Governments would just leave them be if they "retired". No, it's a choice between being accountable for the deaths and destruction that they cause or retiring and walking away. There is no house arrest. The government isn't putting ankle bracelets on them and forcing them to stay at home. If they choose retire, they're free to walk away and go anywhere they want.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 12, 2017 20:00:06 GMT
If they don't sign, they're "retired" whether they like it or not. That's taking away their freedom of choice. No, it's not taking away their freedom of choice. So it's a choice between turned into living weapons/hitmen for the UN or being essentially forced into House Arrest for the rest of their lives since there's little chance the Governments would just leave them be if they "retired". No, it's a choice between being accountable for the deaths and destruction that they cause or retiring and walking away. There is no house arrest. The government isn't putting ankle bracelets on them and forcing them to stay at home. If they choose retire, they're free to walk away and go anywhere they want. It is about taking away their freedom of choice, actually. As for Death and Destruction, that's caused by the villains they fight. If the Avengers did nothing more people would be dead. If Superman and Batman were in Cap's place, they'd have defied the UN too.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 12, 2017 20:15:52 GMT
It is about taking away their freedom of choice, actually. Nope, they still have the choice - stay with the team or retire. Just like I have the choice - fly from SF to LA or drive from SF to LA. Nobody is forcing me to choose fly or drive - it's my choice. Likewise, nobody is forcing the Avengers to choose stay or retire - it's their choice. It's no different that the "cure" in X-Men: The Last Stand. Rogue chose to get injected with the "cure"; the other X-Men chose not to. If the Avengers did nothing more people would be dead. Not true. 1st, if the Avengers did nothing, we know for sure that the people in the building who died when Scarlet Witch lifted the bomb and set it off to blow out the side of the building wouldn't have died. 2nd, Crossbones released the bomb in a crowded market because he was trapped. If the Avengers hadn't chased him through a crowded market, then maybe he doesn't release the bomb in a crowded market. So your statement that "If the Avengers did nothing more people would be dead" is FALSE. If the Avengers did nothing, it's more likely that less people would be dead.
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