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Post by The Lost One on Jul 17, 2017 7:26:38 GMT
Hecause The Doctor isn't 13 different people. The Doctor is one person. Imagine you caught a random episode of the Hartnell years then a random Smith episode. Would you think of them as the same character? If so, why?
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Post by Vegas on Jul 17, 2017 8:10:14 GMT
- "HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE AN OBVIVIOUS GIMMICK DESIGNED TO BE CONTROVERSIAL FOR THE SAKE OF BEING CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE... SEXISM!!!!.. AND - NO!! - YOU CAN NOT CITE OTHER SHOWS WHERE YOU LIKE FEMALE CHARACTERS BECAUSE.. TOKENISM!!! THAT JUST MAKES YOU AN EVEN BIGGER SEXIST!!!" Yeah.... Have fun trying to argue with that kind of asshole.
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Post by tickingmask on Jul 17, 2017 8:33:41 GMT
Well, we already had the master turn into a woman. Why should the doctor be any different?
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jul 17, 2017 9:32:41 GMT
- "HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE AN OBVIVIOUS GIMMICK DESIGNED TO BE CONTROVERSIAL FOR THE SAKE OF BEING CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE... SEXISM!!!!.. AND - NO!! - YOU CAN NOT CITE OTHER SHOWS WHERE YOU LIKE FEMALE CHARACTERS BECAUSE.. TOKENISM!!! THAT JUST MAKES YOU AN EVEN BIGGER SEXIST!!!" Yeah.... Have fun trying to argue with that kind of asshole. What makes you think it's supposed to be a gimmick? The Doctor is a Timelord, we've known for decades that they can regenerate into men or women, and we've had a female Master for two series now.
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Post by RedRuth1966 on Jul 17, 2017 10:00:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 10:01:23 GMT
(In passing, I'll note that the idea that James Bond is a code name is almost certainly untrue. But whatever.) It may not be true, but it is the fan theory that makes the most sense by a country mile. As lostkiera said, that makes it rather curious that Moore's Bond put flowers on the grave of Lazenby's Bond's wife. And that Lazenby's wife took his codename as her own and that he chose to bury her under that name, for that matter. And that Moore's Bond coincidentally also had a wife who died tragically. And then there's this :
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 10:02:19 GMT
Oh god, that's just hilarious!
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Post by faustus5 on Jul 17, 2017 10:21:45 GMT
I love it when sexist, racist pieces of human excrement lose it over such trivial events. Thanks for this.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 17, 2017 10:23:54 GMT
What makes you think it's supposed to be a gimmick? I dunno... Eyeballs? That said... ultimately, it will rely on the writing to see whether or not the gimmick actually works... or if it merely just seems too forced or contrived to be sustainable. I'm sure you have.... Nerd. Look.. I'll premise off the fact that I don't really give that much of a shit about Dr. Who... seen a few episodes, and I didn't really mind it... but, not really a good cup of tea, for me. (It always seemed more of the show that people said they liked just to cash in their "Nerd Card" for a "Super Nerd Card".... And I'm not really that interested in trying to show how big my Nerd Dick is) But.. I will say that there is a big difference between having Captain Janeway as a Captain of The Voyager and "Hey! Let's reboot Star Trek with Kirk as a female."
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Post by Vegas on Jul 17, 2017 10:33:56 GMT
I love it when sexist, racist pieces of human excrement lose it over such trivial events. Thanks for this. You do realize that merely commenting on something doesn't really equate to "losing it"... Right? I mean, if you could figure out that the topic is ultimately trivial, but still worthy to comment on it... What makes you think that the OP can't do the same thing? But.. feel free to be a judgmental hypocrite... Whatever makes you feel like your life has meaning, I suppose.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jul 17, 2017 10:53:09 GMT
What makes you think it's supposed to be a gimmick? I dunno... Eyeballs? That said... ultimately, it will rely on the writing to see whether or not the gimmick actually works... or if it merely just seems too forced or contrived to be sustainable. I'm sure you have.... Nerd. Look.. I'm premise off the fact that I don't really give that much of a shit about Dr. Who... seen a few episodes, and I didn't really mind it... but, not really a good cup of tea, for me. (It always seemed more of the show that people said they liked just to cash in their "Nerd Card" for a "Super Nerd Card".... And I'm not really that interested in trying to show how big my Nerd Dick is) But.. I will say that there is a big difference between having Captain Janeway as a Captain of The Voyager and "Hey! Let's reboot Star Trek with Kirk as a female." Your example of Kirk being rebooted as a woman is completely off given that there is no "rebooting" as such with Doctor Who, unless you count the 2005 restart. It's all one long series essentially with the main character always being The Doctor who is the same entity all the way through. The character is an alien who regenerates into a new form each time he "dies". The new "female" version is the same person as the Hartnell, troughton, baker or Capaldi version.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 17, 2017 11:10:36 GMT
Your example of Kirk being rebooted as a woman is completely off given that there is no "rebooting" as such with Doctor Who, unless you count the 2005 restart. It's all one long series essentially with the main character always being The Doctor who is the same entity all the way through. The character is an alien who regenerates into a new form each time he "dies". The new "female" version is the same person as the Hartnell, troughton, baker or Capaldi version. ::eyes2:: Yes, nerd... I get how the premise of the show works. Just for the record, somebody using a comparison doesn't mean that the person believes that the example is EXACTLY like the thing that he is making a comparison for... The example is more for the over-all argument/complaint of gender-switching roles... not "THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT DR. WHO IS DOING" As far as the "It's always the same character" thing goes.... We'll see: I gots a feelin' that the good doctor is going to be suddenly more feminine than he has ever been in the last 30 years.... EDIT: Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.. Like I said: It will all depend on the quality of the writing to see if this actually works or not)
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jul 17, 2017 11:13:14 GMT
Your example of Kirk being rebooted as a woman is completely off given that there is no "rebooting" as such with Doctor Who, unless you count the 2005 restart. It's all one long series essentially with the main character always being The Doctor who is the same entity all the way through. The character is an alien who regenerates into a new form each time he "dies". The new "female" version is the same person as the Hartnell, troughton, baker or Capaldi version. ::eyes2:: Yes, nerd... I get how the premise of the show works. Just for the record, somebody using a comparison doesn't mean that the person believes that the example is EXACTLY like the thing that he is making a comparison for... The example is more for the over-all argument/complaint of gender-switching roles... not "THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT DR. WHO IS DOING" As far as the "It's always the same character" thing goes.... We'll see: I gots a feelin' that the good doctor is going to be suddenly more feminine than he has ever been in the last 30 years.... It was a crappy comparison, deal with it. The Doctor has had completely different personalities with every regeneration anyway. I thought the female master was excellent, I have no doubt Jodie Whittaker will be equally so.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 17, 2017 11:21:16 GMT
It was a crappy comparison, deal with it. The Doctor has had completely different personalities with every regeneration anyway. I thought the female master was excellent, I have no doubt Jodie Whittaker will be equally so. It wasn't meant as a comparison of Doctor Who, D. It was just a general comment on the over-all issue... Stop being so rigidly literal. It is a sign of stupidity. I mean, you do get the point being made in the context of the over-all issue.. Right?... You could figure out the point beyond the "BUT THITH ITH DOCTOR WHO !! NOT SHTAR TREK", can'tcha?
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jul 17, 2017 11:26:45 GMT
It was a crappy comparison, deal with it. The Doctor has had completely different personalities with every regeneration anyway. I thought the female master was excellent, I have no doubt Jodie Whittaker will be equally so. It wasn't meant as a comparison of Doctor Who, D. It was just a general comment on the over-all issue... Stop being so rigidly literal. It is a sign of stupidity. I mean, you do get the point being made in the context of the over-all issue.. Right?... You could figure out the point beyond the "BUT THITH ITH DOCTOR WHO !! NOT SHTAR TREK", can'tcha? Go on then Vegas, what was the point of making this comparison then? Given that both having Janeway as captain of a different starship and a hypothetical reboot of Kirk as a woman are both completely different and irrelevant situations to this one, what reason did you have for even bringing them up?
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Post by Vegas on Jul 17, 2017 11:32:27 GMT
Given that both having Janeway as captain of a different starship and a hypothetical reboot of Kirk as a woman are both completely different and irrelevant situations to this one, what reason did you have for even bringing them up? - "JETHUTH CHRISTHT!! DOCTOR WHO HATH NOTHING TO DO WITH SHTAR TREK!!! STHERIOUTHLY!! *snort* YOU ARE BEING THO OBTUTHE!!"
edit: I mean.. If you can't see... even mildly... having the main character of a show suddenly change gender in a reboot... with Doctor Who.. FOR REASONS THAT I DON"T REALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT, NEERRRRD.... suddenly being female... Then, you are a shitload dumber than I give you credit for.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 17, 2017 11:32:40 GMT
If the Who dude could become a woman at anytime (I have no idea what the lore of the show is...), is there a reason why it wasn't sooner?
It would seem there was a 50/50 shot at Who dude being a woman, but how many doctors have there been?
I tend to concur with vegas that this is a [good] stunt that will go brilliantly and breath new life in a franchise I know nothing about or can be easily fixed on the next iteration of Who.
I wouldn't read much more into it than that since that is what's known as television and stranger things have happened.
It's odd the OP would be bent out of shape about it given the rules within the show unless the OP doesn't actually watch it.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jul 17, 2017 11:37:51 GMT
Given that both having Janeway as captain of a different starship and a hypothetical reboot of Kirk as a woman are both completely different and irrelevant situations to this one, what reason did you have for even bringing them up? - "JETHUTH CHRISTHT!! DOCTOR WHO HATH NOTHING TO DO WITH SHTAR TREK!!! STHERIOUTHLY!! *snort* YOU ARE BEING THO OBTUTHE!!" That's not what I said Vegas. They are totally different situations, nothing to do with which shows they are.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 17, 2017 11:41:06 GMT
- "JETHUTH CHRISTHT!! DOCTOR WHO HATH NOTHING TO DO WITH SHTAR TREK!!! STHERIOUTHLY!! *snort* YOU ARE BEING THO OBTUTHE!!" That's not what I said Vegas. They are totally different situations, nothing to do with which shows they are. See edit.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 17, 2017 11:59:44 GMT
tpfkar Vegas said:That patent Vegas Breakfast Irony. Sometimes "No" doesn't mean "No", it means "Maybe, try harder." It takes a guy with a keen eye to know the difference.
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