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Post by vishspal on Feb 26, 2017 1:41:30 GMT
What does everyone think?
Yes he’s an evil threat to others, but sometimes I think he only does what he does out of revenge for his Mom, when naive teens trespass on his territory (Camp Crystal Lake), and because it’s the only thing he knows how to do. Same question can be asked for Leatherface from The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, since both characters are mentally disabled, only Leatherface is doing was he’s told. Unlike other villains like Freddy Kruger (who wants to absorb every child’s soul and take over Elm Street), Jason isn’t out to gain something.
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Post by Flynn on Feb 26, 2017 2:06:30 GMT
I think it depends on the film. In the reboot, Jason seemed evil to me. Part of being good or evil is knowing that the other possibility exists. In the reboot, he was the most intelligent Jason we've seen, and I think it's really that and not the running that people had a problem with. In the first four films, Jason seems child-like, and so we can speculate that he doesn't know right from wrong, in parts 6-8, Jason mostly seems programmed to kill. He doesn't think; he just does what he does, which is kill. That's not necessarily evil, unless you want to make a case that he is acting on the part of Satan or something.
You are right to make the comparisons with Freddy, who definitely is evil.
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Post by Reynard on Feb 26, 2017 2:20:40 GMT
Did Friday the 13th part 3 or The Final Chapter offer any motivation for the killings? Part 2 made it clear that he's out to avenge his mother but why kill after that? This might be a stupid question but my memory is really hazy about these since I haven't seen any except the original since the VHS era.
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Post by naterdawg on Feb 26, 2017 4:52:28 GMT
Jason Vorhees was portrayed as a kind of "mongoloid" child in the first original film. And before you guys tear me a new one for the un-PC term, that's what was used in Fangoria to describe Jason. "Mongoloid." And I don't mean someone from Mongolia!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 21:53:40 GMT
Jason is a Mongoloid. Michael Myers now he IS PURE EVIL!
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Post by naterdawg on Feb 26, 2017 21:55:57 GMT
Jason is a Mongoloid. Michael Myers now he IS PURE EVIL! Yep, that's what Dr. Loomis said, in the first movie. He referred to him as "the evil." Jason was just mentally challenged. Plus, he was dead. There never should've been a sequel to Friday the 13th. |
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Mar 19, 2018 18:08:05 GMT
Jason wasn't dead though, he never drowned. He grew up wild in the woods. When his mother died, he stepped out of the woods for revenge, found he loved killing, and continued to do so for so many sequels.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Mar 19, 2018 18:30:21 GMT
O don't know that he loves killing though. It never seemed like he had enough brain power or awareness even to be able to enjoy it. Jason is sort of like the terminator or something. He's mostly a mindless killing machine. He's got this obligation to kill anyone in his purview and always seems to want to return to his turf.
'Misunderstood' would too sympathetic and apologetic a term. He's still a murdering bastard.
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Post by Captain Spencer on Mar 19, 2018 18:45:39 GMT
Jason is one evil son of a bitch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 0:28:06 GMT
Jason wasn't dead though, he never drowned. He grew up wild in the woods. When his mother died, he stepped out of the woods for revenge, found he loved killing, and continued to do so for so many sequels. By Part 6 he really is dead, isn't he? And then some kind of supernatural zombie after that? |
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Post by Marv on Mar 20, 2018 0:30:55 GMT
Jason wasn't dead though, he never drowned. He grew up wild in the woods. When his mother died, he stepped out of the woods for revenge, found he loved killing, and continued to do so for so many sequels. By Part 6 he really is dead, isn't he? And then some kind of supernatural zombie after that? Jason officially died in part 4. From then on out it was all overly supernatural. |
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Post by rogerthat on Mar 20, 2018 1:23:18 GMT
Your post title gave me an image of Jason, Michael, Freddy, Leatherface, and Pinhead doing a rendition of Cellblock Tango from Chicago...
I'm weird like that.
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Post by Marv on Mar 20, 2018 3:45:37 GMT
To answer the question he is evil. You don’t become a mass murderer without being a little evil.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 20, 2018 17:03:10 GMT
The first time, it's personal. The second time, it's overkill. The tenth time, it's just being an asshole.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Mar 20, 2018 17:14:51 GMT
Voorhees? A jolly good fellow.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Mar 21, 2018 18:00:49 GMT
That's one pissed off goalie, eh!
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 21, 2018 19:31:40 GMT
Well its interesting because yeah-Jason was retarded, Michael Myers was mentally ill, and Freddy is a pedophile.
The modern PC view is that evil people are misunderstood (even Dracula has been reclassified as a romantic hero or misunderstood-in the novel I am pretty sure he is supposed to be 100% the bad guy).
I think Jason is evil but sympathetic at times.
Francis Dolarhyde in Manhunter is a really interesting case because it is implied he was an abused infant and one is meant to sympathize with him to some extent-his desire to socialize with the blind woman and the tragedy of him misunderstanding her relationship with the guy at the doorstep.
The fact that he becomes so homicidal towards her is all the more horrific. Reminded me of old fashioned horror films from the 1930s with Karloff or something. Neither Michael Myers or Freddy or Jason films reached that level of horror/tragedy.
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