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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 16:16:03 GMT
For years, MCU has been operating without too many issues with the timeline, and recently, 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' states that the event of 'The Avengers' occurred 8 years ago, causing the timeline to go off rails.
This raised many questions (along with trolls who're saying that MCU is completely dead) on why they would make such an obvious mistake after keeping up with the timeline so well.
Well, I've read from somewhere that this might have something to do with the Eye of Agamotto, A.K.A. Time Stone.
Time Stone has been stated as a very dangerous object to handle, as it could cause some side effects upon its usage. Stephen Strange first used this Stone to fix an apple and a certain book that lost a page. Later on, he used this Stone to turn back time so he can fix Hong Kong - and very hastily too.
It's clear that this is not something to temper with given that it was safeguarded very carefully. Even (the) Ancient One wasn't seem to be using it either, suggesting that it's not worth the risk except for a world ending-level emergency, meaning that the usage of this Stone by an inexperienced sorcerer may have thrown the timeline off rails.
Also, if you think about it, we don't exactly know when 'Doctor Strange' is set. We know that it's set in course of a year or so, but other than that, it could've well been set from 2015 to 2016, around the time of 'Civil War'.
Of course, this is just a theory that I pulled off directly from my anus, but I think it could be an interesting thing to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 16:30:24 GMT
It's the best explanation for Marvel's five-star fuck-up. It would be a retcon, but it would work to explain it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 18, 2017 17:15:50 GMT
It's the best explanation for Marvel's five-star fuck-up. It would be a retcon, but it would work to explain it. LOL!!! MCU fans always make up BS excuses.
1. MCU changes Captain America 3 to an Iron Man v Captain America movie after DCEU announces BvS. MCU fans: "Cap 3 was always intended to be a Civil War adaptation."
2. MCU fucks up the timeline with their "8 Years Later" gaffe. MCU fans: "It was the Time Stone."
3. SMH drops 61% on its 2nd weekend. MCU fans: "There was strong competition from War for the Planet of the Apes."
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 17:26:09 GMT
It's the best explanation for Marvel's five-star fuck-up. It would be a retcon, but it would work to explain it. LOL!!! MCU fans always make up BS excuses.
1. MCU changes Captain America 3 to an Iron Man v Captain America movie after DCEU announces BvS. MCU fans: "Cap 3 was always intended to be a Civil War adaptation."
2. MCU fucks up the timeline with their "8 Years Later" gaffe. MCU fans: "It was the Time Stone."
3. SMH drops 61% on its 2nd weekend. MCU fans: "There was strong competition from War for the Planet of the Apes."
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Post by skribb on Jul 18, 2017 17:31:26 GMT
It's the best explanation for Marvel's five-star fuck-up. It would be a retcon, but it would work to explain it. LOL!!! MCU fans always make up BS excuses.
1. MCU changes Captain America 3 to an Iron Man v Captain America movie after DCEU announces BvS. MCU fans: "Cap 3 was always intended to be a Civil War adaptation."
2. MCU fucks up the timeline with their "8 Years Later" gaffe. MCU fans: "It was the Time Stone."
3. SMH drops 61% on its 2nd weekend. MCU fans: "There was strong competition from War for the Planet of the Apes."
instead of DC-Fan you should rename yourself MCU-Vanquisher because dude you be slayin Marveltards left and right!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 18, 2017 17:35:08 GMT
oh, it's a sad day when you literally have to conjure up the infamous "a wizard did it" argument to fill a plot hole.
There's no reasonable way of fixing this. You can't simply move the events of The Avengers to 2008, and assume that everything in the MCU's first phase all happened in the same year; it introduces far too many problems for the overarching continuity. Meanwhile, if SMH was actually set eight years after the events of The Avengers, the film would take place in 2020. That directly contradicts Peter's entire character arc in the film, while set details for the Staten Island Ferry feature adverts for 2018's Stark Expo, which would be two years out of date.
Now let's add another complicating factor: According to Spider-Man's AI, Karen, Aaron Davis was born in April 1984, and is 33 years old. That means Homecoming must be set in Fall 2017 (Homecoming dances are usually in the Fall term). So the timeline doesn't exactly get better.
I'm afraid these two details have to go down as a mistake on Marvel's part, and literally the only way to make the MCU's continuity work is to assume this should read "four years later."
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 18, 2017 17:40:23 GMT
it's a sad day when you literally have to conjure up the infamous "a wizard did it" argument to fill a plot hole. There's no reasonable way of fixing this. You can't simply move the events of The Avengers to 2008, and assume that everything in the MCU's first phase all happened in the same year; it introduces far too many problems for the overarching continuity. Meanwhile, if SMH was actually set eight years after the events of The Avengers, the film would take place in 2020. That directly contradicts Peter's entire character arc in the film, while set details for the Staten Island Ferry feature adverts for 2018's Stark Expo, which would be two years out of date. Now let's add another complicating factor: According to Spider-Man's AI, Karen, Aaron Davis was born in April 1984, and is 33 years old. That means Homecoming must be set in Fall 2017 (Homecoming dances are usually in the Fall term). Yep, Homecoming dances are usually on the weekend of the Homecoming football game, which is played in the Fall obviously. I'm afraid these two details have to go down as a mistake on Marvel's part Yep, there's just no reasonable or logical explanation for it. It's simply a fuck-up by MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 17:40:42 GMT
The weight of Marvel's ambition is finally forcing their cinematic universe to crumble. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on Infinity War at this point. No one is gonna care come 2018.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 18:00:50 GMT
oh, it's a sad day when you literally have to conjure up the infamous "a wizard did it" argument to fill a plot hole.
There's no reasonable way of fixing this. You can't simply move the events of The Avengers to 2008, and assume that everything in the MCU's first phase all happened in the same year; it introduces far too many problems for the overarching continuity. Meanwhile, if SMH was actually set eight years after the events of The Avengers, the film would take place in 2020. That directly contradicts Peter's entire character arc in the film, while set details for the Staten Island Ferry feature adverts for 2018's Stark Expo, which would be two years out of date.
Now let's add another complicating factor: According to Spider-Man's AI, Karen, Aaron Davis was born in April 1984, and is 33 years old. That means Homecoming must be set in Fall 2017 (Homecoming dances are usually in the Fall term). So the timeline doesn't exactly get better.
I'm afraid these two details have to go down as a mistake on Marvel's part, and literally the only way to make the MCU's continuity work is to assume this should read "four years later."
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 18:01:17 GMT
The weight of Marvel's ambition is finally forcing their cinematic universe to crumble. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on Infinity War at this point. No one is gonna care come 2018. Yeah, tell that to 'X-Men' series...
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 18:08:14 GMT
oh, it's a sad day when you literally have to conjure up the infamous "a wizard did it" argument to fill a plot hole.
There's no reasonable way of fixing this. You can't simply move the events of The Avengers to 2008, and assume that everything in the MCU's first phase all happened in the same year; it introduces far too many problems for the overarching continuity. Meanwhile, if SMH was actually set eight years after the events of The Avengers, the film would take place in 2020. That directly contradicts Peter's entire character arc in the film, while set details for the Staten Island Ferry feature adverts for 2018's Stark Expo, which would be two years out of date.
Now let's add another complicating factor: According to Spider-Man's AI, Karen, Aaron Davis was born in April 1984, and is 33 years old. That means Homecoming must be set in Fall 2017 (Homecoming dances are usually in the Fall term). So the timeline doesn't exactly get better.
I'm afraid these two details have to go down as a mistake on Marvel's part, and literally the only way to make the MCU's continuity work is to assume this should read "four years later."
Who's saying that the film is actually set in 2020?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 18:18:51 GMT
The weight of Marvel's ambition is finally forcing their cinematic universe to crumble. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the plug on Infinity War at this point. No one is gonna care come 2018. Yeah, tell that to 'X-Men' series... Fox is still making highly original films like Deadpool and Logan. Game-changers in the genre. Marvel can't even make a Spider-Man movie starring Bob Downey work.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 18, 2017 18:22:22 GMT
Yeah, tell that to 'X-Men' series... Fox is still making highly original films like Deadpool and Logan. Game-changers in the genre. Marvel can't even make a Spider-Man movie starring Bob Downey work. That's pathetic, yeah. The only thing more pathetic is this lame "time Stone" speculation. Reboot the MCU, and do it properly the second time around.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 18:44:05 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... I stopped reading.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 18:49:56 GMT
Fox is still making highly original films like Deadpool and Logan. Game-changers in the genre. Marvel can't even make a Spider-Man movie starring Bob Downey work. That's pathetic, yeah. The only thing more pathetic is this lame "time Stone" speculation. Reboot the MCU, and do it properly the second time around. 1. 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' had to face off another critically-acclaimed film, something that 'Wonder Woman' didn't have to go through for at least 2 weeks. 2. If MCU should be rebooted all because of that timeline issue, shouldn't that happen with 'X-Men' series too? 3. Enough with those "original!" BS.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 18:59:44 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... I stopped reading. Yes. We all know how the truth makes you butthurt.
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Post by blockbusted on Jul 18, 2017 19:12:07 GMT
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... I stopped reading. Yes. We all know how the truth makes you butthurt.
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Post by transfuged on Jul 18, 2017 19:26:16 GMT
Also, if you think about it, we don't exactly know when 'Doctor Strange' is set. We know that it's set in course of a year or so, but other than that, it could've well been set from 2015 to 2016, around the time of 'Civil War'. Read more: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/44264/timeline-issue-time-stone-involved?page=1#ixzz4nDEue0PCHello, I think they figured it out with the help of the dates in Strange collection of rewards, in his flat... But I would not say that magic is not the lamest argument. Appart from jk Rowlings's stories, I have not the last interest in fantasy (even the Potter's movies look hollow, but it might be me) For crying out loud, time stones? That sounds like crappy new age / satanism advertizment. Indeed, competition is killing the green screen products. Maybe that is a bonus. Till later T
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 18, 2017 19:49:18 GMT
Who's saying that the film is actually set in 2020? Who? The movie that's who, by stating "8 years later" (after Avengers). One of the earliest scenes in the film takes place directly after the battle that took place in The Avengers. According to a quick title card that appears in the film, Homecoming takes place eight years after the events of that battle. The Avengers according to Marvel's official timeline takes place in 2012. We’re also led to believe that the events of Homecoming take place a few months after Civil War. Especially when the movie opens with shaky-hand cam footage of Spider-Man in Civil War before diving right into Homecoming. But if so the “eight years” past or later sentiment doesn’t make any sense. If Civil War takes place in 2016, which we know it does thanks to some calendar shots and official timelines, than Homecoming can’t exist in 2020. Btw evidently this is not the first time-mess in the MCU. Eg: In Civil War (playing in 2016), the "Vision" dude states the moment that Tony Stark publicly announced that he was Iron Man took place eight years ago. While that makes sense when looking at Iron Man’s release date, it contradicts what Marvel itself previously announced as its timeline setting the IM 1 events in 2010/11). If Tony Stark announced that he was Iron Man eight years before Civil War, that would be 2008, not the official date Marvel had given. At this point, both Homecoming and Civil War contradict the timeline that Marvel has given. Simply put, the math doesn’t add up. If anything, Homecoming just adds to the main issue — Marvel doesn’t know when its movies have been set. Even worse, with the studio changing things on the fly, it messes around the barely comprehensible timeline they’ve provided thus far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 19:54:35 GMT
Who's saying that the film is actually set in 2020? Who? The movie that's who, by stating "8 years later" (after Avengers). One of the earliest scenes in the film takes place directly after the battle that took place in The Avengers. According to a quick title card that appears in the film, Homecoming takes place eight years after the events of that battle. The Avengers according to Marvel's official timeline takes place in 2012. We’re also led to believe that the events of Homecoming take place a few months after Civil War. Especially when the movie opens with shaky-hand cam footage of Spider-Man in Civil War before diving right into Homecoming. But if so the “eight years” past or later sentiment doesn’t make any sense. If Civil War takes place in 2016, which we know it does thanks to some calendar shots and official timelines, than Homecoming can’t exist in 2020. Btw evidently this is not the first time-mess in the MCU. Eg: In Civil War (playing in 2016), the "Vision" dude states the moment that Tony Stark publicly announced that he was Iron Man took place eight years ago. While that makes sense when looking at Iron Man’s release date, it contradicts what Marvel itself previously announced as its timeline setting the IM 1 events in 2010/11). If Tony Stark announced that he was Iron Man eight years before Civil War, that would be 2008, not the official date Marvel had given. At this point, both Homecoming and Civil War contradict the timeline that Marvel has given. Simply put, the math doesn’t add up. If anything, Homecoming just adds to the main issue — Marvel doesn’t know when its movies have been set. Even worse, with the studio changing things on the fly, it messes around the barely comprehensible timeline they’ve provided thus far. It's time for them to close up shop. This whole cinematic universe business is proving to be too difficult for them. Just stick to making kiddie movies.
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