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Post by darkpast on Jul 29, 2017 6:33:39 GMT
Why no respect, he created Star Wars
I think the technology has caught up, a new Lucas Star Wars movie would blow everyone away
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Post by moviemeisters on Jul 29, 2017 6:53:25 GMT
Why no respect, he created Star Wars I think the technology has caught up, a new Lucas Star Wars movie would blow everyone away Largely because of the poor quality of the prequels and the idea that the originals were more collaborative (where others refined Lucas' initial ideas and made them good).
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Post by darkpast on Jul 29, 2017 6:58:22 GMT
Why no respect, he created Star Wars I think the technology has caught up, a new Lucas Star Wars movie would blow everyone away Largely because of the poor quality of the prequels and the idea that the originals were more collaborative (where others refined Lucas' initial ideas and made them good). i thought the prequels were a noble failure, but Lucas denying fans original cuts of OT, upset many
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Post by Jedan Archer on Jul 29, 2017 7:43:19 GMT
Largely because of the poor quality of the prequels and the idea that the originals were more collaborative (where others refined Lucas' initial ideas and made them good). i thought the prequels were a noble failure, but Lucas denying fans original cuts of OT, upset many Basically yes, the cut-gate thing poisoned the well and is regarded as Lucas' original sin. As for the PT, love them or hate them, but denying the obvious degree of high quality originality, narrative ambition and creativity in the prequels is a confession of unconditional idiocy. We now have an direct comparable what low effort creativity and originality means: repainted X-Wings and story rehash paired with fanfic level writing. This is the reason we now face a renaissance of rekindled appreciation for the man who saw the Millennium Falcon in a piece of half eaten burger, and who essentially molded the Star Wars universe out of pieces of pulp, trash and obscure spirituality.
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Post by darkpast on Jul 29, 2017 7:53:56 GMT
i thought the prequels were a noble failure, but Lucas denying fans original cuts of OT, upset many Basically yes, the cut-gate thing poisoned the well and is regarded as Lucas' original sin. As for the PT, love them or hate them, but denying the obvious degree of high quality originality, narrative ambition and creativity in the prequels is a confession of unconditional idiocy. We now have an direct comparable what low effort creativity and originality means: repainted X-Wings and story rehash paired with fanfic level writing. This is the reason we now face a renaissance of rekindled appreciation for the man who saw the Millennium Falcon in a piece of half eaten burger, and who essentially molded the Star Wars universe out of pieces of pulp, trash and obscure spirituality. well i think the acting is there with the Disney films, even if creativity is lacking, if George was involved we may have gotten proper Star Wars films to rival the OT
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 29, 2017 9:13:59 GMT
Basically yes, the cut-gate thing poisoned the well and is regarded as Lucas' original sin. As for the PT, love them or hate them, but denying the obvious degree of high quality originality, narrative ambition and creativity in the prequels is a confession of unconditional idiocy. We now have an direct comparable what low effort creativity and originality means: repainted X-Wings and story rehash paired with fanfic level writing. This is the reason we now face a renaissance of rekindled appreciation for the man who saw the Millennium Falcon in a piece of half eaten burger, and who essentially molded the Star Wars universe out of pieces of pulp, trash and obscure spirituality. well i think the acting is there with the Disney films, even if creativity is lacking, if George was involved we may have gotten proper Star Wars films to rival the OT The fuck up thing is George Lucas actually told Disney his story for episode 7-9 but Disney told him they wanted to do their own thing for the fans. Which was basically a remake of episode 4. Look I'm not saying that George Lucas always have the best ideas, but I still think Disney should have done his story. They could still hire whatever writer and director they wanted and George could just stay back as a producer. I feel like the two working together would not only make a good Star Wars film, but one that feels like a true sequel.
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Post by janice on Jul 29, 2017 16:32:27 GMT
well i think the acting is there with the Disney films, even if creativity is lacking, if George was involved we may have gotten proper Star Wars films to rival the OT Are you referring to Ridley's constant teeth gnashing or Boyega channeling Chris Tucker?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 29, 2017 19:43:26 GMT
Basically yes, the cut-gate thing poisoned the well and is regarded as Lucas' original sin. As for the PT, love them or hate them, but denying the obvious degree of high quality originality, narrative ambition and creativity in the prequels is a confession of unconditional idiocy. We now have an direct comparable what low effort creativity and originality means: repainted X-Wings and story rehash paired with fanfic level writing. This is the reason we now face a renaissance of rekindled appreciation for the man who saw the Millennium Falcon in a piece of half eaten burger, and who essentially molded the Star Wars universe out of pieces of pulp, trash and obscure spirituality. well i think the acting is there with the Disney films, even if creativity is lacking, if George was involved we may have gotten proper Star Wars films to rival the OT wherever you are coming from, i would hardly call THAT acting, rather overacting² and over-emoting²...horrible, especially Ridley and Boyega (the latter being a solid actor elsewhere), but Fisher (rip, love) and Harrison I-don't-believe-I-could-be-dad-of-this-dork Ford were nothing to phone home about either. To be fair, SW is not a study in solid method acting, never was, but each trilogy had some good performances : PT: McGregor and McDiarmid, Lee and Neeson; OT: mostly in Empire and Guinness in ANH.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jul 29, 2017 20:21:34 GMT
I think it's a combination of factors. As someone else said the fact that you can only get the OT in special edition (which Lucas is responsible for) is unpopular. But most of it centers around the prequels.
1. The prequels were polarizing to the fanbase. They weren't universally loved like the OT was. Some fans liked them and some fans absolutely hated them. There was a variety of complaint reasons: Political dialogue, flat acting performances, bad or inconsistent pacing, CGI, Jar Jar Binks, different aesthetically from OT, not what some expected the characters or story to be... in addition to other factors. You could fairly call some of the complaints nitpicking but the biggest legitimate problem may have been Lucas directing. At times it seemed he didn't get enough out of his actors or the wrong kind of performances. A different director might've also improved the pacing. (The pacing of politics is comparably better in the CWAS directed by Dave Filoni).
Since Lucas collaborated less and controlled more on the prequels he got more blame from disapproving fans.
2. Disney publicly rejected Lucas script for TFA. That certainly increased the perception of him being disrespected. Disney and Kathleen Kennedy talked out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand they refer to him as the guru, the foundation and authority on SW. On the other hand they reject most of the contributions and ideas that they solicit from him; taking a hardline stance on the character and story agendas they have for the new trilogy. Disney has been very obtuse about the contradiction.
3. Revisionist history from professional prequels trolls. IMO probably the biggest factor. Social media and film industry hacks like Plinkett/RLM and the makers of The People vs. George Lucas built notoriety off of nitpicking every element of the prequels and trashing and demonizing Lucas reputation. In addition they exaggerated the level of hatred for the prequels by constantly hi-lighting examples of it, and also portraying it as a black and white matter of intelligence.
They've created cult followings that have made it popular to disrespect Lucas. These talentless hacks have nothing else to show for on their resumé. There's no limit to their tactics. They have negatively dissected Lucas and the prequels to a level no other filmmaker or group of movies has ever been taken! While some criticism has been based on legitimate evidence or factors, most of it has been based on false logic.
(One such broad example is giving the credit of the success of the OT to everyone else but George Lucas. The writing success is given to Kasdan. The film success is given to other directors and to model makers and editors such as Lucas ex-wife. But Lucas was the one who commissioned the re-edit. And these other people were the talent Lucas hired for those positions. Only Lucas has ever been scrutinized with this false logic criteria. By comparison no fan of JJ Abrams is crediting his success on TFA to his team that was hired around him or he collaborated with). And it would take a 40 paragraph manifesto to list all the false logic criteria and arguments employed by these professional prequel/Lucas trolls. Even some professional critics will make statements that reflect the revisionist history created by them that the prequels were and are universally hated. In addition to the perception that Lucas is somehow a tarnished failure that should be vilified.
It's an oddly overblown dynamic that's unique to Lucas and some of the SW fanbase. Not that Lucas is above criticism but the uniqueness and level of it says something about a portion of SW fans. And that something is not good.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 30, 2017 1:33:39 GMT
I think it's a combination of factors. As someone else said the fact that you can only get the OT in special edition (which Lucas is responsible for) is unpopular. But most of it centers around the prequels. 1. The prequels were polarizing to the fanbase. They weren't universally loved like the OT was. Some fans liked them and some fans absolutely hated them. There was a variety of complaint reasons: Political dialogue, flat acting performances, bad or inconsistent pacing, CGI, Jar Jar Binks, different aesthetically from OT, not what some expected the characters or story to be... in addition to other factors. You could fairly call some of the complaints nitpicking but the biggest legitimate problem may have been Lucas directing. At times it seemed he didn't get enough out of his actors or the wrong kind of performances. A different director might've also improved the pacing. (The pacing of politics is comparably better in the CWAS directed by Dave Filoni). Since Lucas collaborated less and controlled more on the prequels he got more blame from disapproving fans. 2. Disney publicly rejected Lucas script for TFA. That certainly increased the perception of him being disrespected. Disney and Kathleen Kennedy talked out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand they refer to him as the guru, the foundation and authority on SW. On the other hand they reject most of the contributions and ideas that they solicit from him; taking a hardline stance on the character and story agendas they have for the new trilogy. Disney has been very obtuse about the contradiction. 3. Revisionist history from professional prequels trolls. IMO probably the biggest factor. Social media and film industry hacks like Plinkett/RLM and the makers of The People vs. George Lucas built notoriety off of nitpicking every element of the prequels and trashing and demonizing Lucas reputation. In addition to exaggerating the level of hatred for the prequels by constantly hi-lighting examples of it and portraying as a black and white matter of intelligence. They've created cult followings that have made it popular to disrespect Lucas. These talentless hacks have nothing else to show for on their resumé. There's no limit to their tactics. They have negatively dissected Lucas and the prequels to a level no other filmmaker or group of movies has ever been taken! While some criticism has been based on legitimate evidence or factors, most of it has been based on false logic. (One such broad example is giving the credit of the success of the OT to everyone else but George Lucas. The writing success is given to Kasdan. The film success is given to other directors and to model makers and editors such as Lucas ex-wife. But Lucas was the one who commissioned the re-edit. And these other people were the talent Lucas hired for those positions. Only Lucas has ever been scrutinized with this false logic criteria. By comparison no fan of JJ Abrams is crediting his success on TFA to his team that was hired around him or he collaborated with). And it would take a 40 paragraph manifesto to list all the false logic criteria and arguments employed by these professional prequel/Lucas trolls. Even some professional critics will make statements that reflect the revisionist history created by them that the prequels were and are universally hated. In addition to the perception that Lucas is somehow a tarnished failure that should be vilified. It's an oddly overblown dynamic that's unique to Lucas and some of the SW fanbase. Not that Lucas is above criticism but the uniqueness and level of it says something about a portion of SW fans. And that something is not good. This guy did it. (Presumably you personally have read or at least skimmed this already, but I figured others might find it an interesting read.) Anyway, great post as usual and excellent points. The revisionist history crap, the weirdly fanatical obsession with the theatrical cuts, and the general changes in (and general coarsening of) the culture particularly as relates to social media are also the things I would point to in order to explain the fucking mind-boggling degree of disrespect with which idiots everywhere seem to regard George Lucas, arguably the most successful filmmaker ever.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 2, 2017 18:02:30 GMT
I think it's a combination of factors. As someone else said the fact that you can only get the OT in special edition (which Lucas is responsible for) is unpopular. But most of it centers around the prequels. 1. The prequels were polarizing to the fanbase. They weren't universally loved like the OT was. Some fans liked them and some fans absolutely hated them. There was a variety of complaint reasons: Political dialogue, flat acting performances, bad or inconsistent pacing, CGI, Jar Jar Binks, different aesthetically from OT, not what some expected the characters or story to be... in addition to other factors. You could fairly call some of the complaints nitpicking but the biggest legitimate problem may have been Lucas directing. At times it seemed he didn't get enough out of his actors or the wrong kind of performances. A different director might've also improved the pacing. (The pacing of politics is comparably better in the CWAS directed by Dave Filoni). Since Lucas collaborated less and controlled more on the prequels he got more blame from disapproving fans. 2. Disney publicly rejected Lucas script for TFA. That certainly increased the perception of him being disrespected. Disney and Kathleen Kennedy talked out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand they refer to him as the guru, the foundation and authority on SW. On the other hand they reject most of the contributions and ideas that they solicit from him; taking a hardline stance on the character and story agendas they have for the new trilogy. Disney has been very obtuse about the contradiction. 3. Revisionist history from professional prequels trolls. IMO probably the biggest factor. Social media and film industry hacks like Plinkett/RLM and the makers of The People vs. George Lucas built notoriety off of nitpicking every element of the prequels and trashing and demonizing Lucas reputation. In addition to exaggerating the level of hatred for the prequels by constantly hi-lighting examples of it and portraying as a black and white matter of intelligence. They've created cult followings that have made it popular to disrespect Lucas. These talentless hacks have nothing else to show for on their resumé. There's no limit to their tactics. They have negatively dissected Lucas and the prequels to a level no other filmmaker or group of movies has ever been taken! While some criticism has been based on legitimate evidence or factors, most of it has been based on false logic. (One such broad example is giving the credit of the success of the OT to everyone else but George Lucas. The writing success is given to Kasdan. The film success is given to other directors and to model makers and editors such as Lucas ex-wife. But Lucas was the one who commissioned the re-edit. And these other people were the talent Lucas hired for those positions. Only Lucas has ever been scrutinized with this false logic criteria. By comparison no fan of JJ Abrams is crediting his success on TFA to his team that was hired around him or he collaborated with). And it would take a 40 paragraph manifesto to list all the false logic criteria and arguments employed by these professional prequel/Lucas trolls. Even some professional critics will make statements that reflect the revisionist history created by them that the prequels were and are universally hated. In addition to the perception that Lucas is somehow a tarnished failure that should be vilified. It's an oddly overblown dynamic that's unique to Lucas and some of the SW fanbase. Not that Lucas is above criticism but the uniqueness and level of it says something about a portion of SW fans. And that something is not good. This guy did it. (Presumably you personally have read or at least skimmed this already, but I figured others might find it an interesting read.) Anyway, great post as usual and excellent points. The revisionist history crap, the weirdly fanatical obsession with the theatrical cuts, and the general changes in (and general coarsening of) the culture particularly as relates to social media are also the things I would point to in order to explain the fucking mind-boggling degree of disrespect with which idiots everywhere seem to regard George Lucas, arguably the most successful filmmaker ever. Yes I did skim over that link before. It's a great read and worth re-reading. Thanks for the nod and I totally agree with your points.
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