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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 0:21:43 GMT
1. Who do you think was the rightful heir to the English throne after the death of Henry I. His daughter Empress Matilda or his nephew Stephen ?
2. And do you think that Empress Matilda ever really had a chance to win the war against Stephen.
3. And would you say that Empress Matilda ended up as the winner in the end considering that it was her son who became King after Stephen ?
4. What do you think was the biggest mistake Empress Matilda made after the battle of Lincoln when she captured Stephen ? ( Well i guess it was her half brother Robert that captured him. )
5. Do you think that if it had not been for Stephens wife Matilda of Boulogne rising her army against Empress Matilda and taking her half brother Robert. And forcing Empress Matilda to trade King Stephen with Robert. That the Anarchy would have ended in a different way ?
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Post by The Lost One on Aug 18, 2017 20:04:47 GMT
1. Who do you think was the rightful heir to the English throne after the death of Henry I. His daughter Empress Matilda or his nephew Stephen ? 2. And do you think that Empress Matilda ever really had a chance to win the war against Stephen. 3. And would you say that Empress Matilda ended up as the winner in the end considering that it was her son who became King after Stephen ? 4. What do you think was the biggest mistake Empress Matilda made after the battle of Lincoln when she captured Stephen ? ( Well i guess it was her half brother Robert that captured him. ) 5. Do you think that if it had not been for Stephens wife Matilda of Boulogne rising her army against Empress Matilda and taking her half brother Robert. And forcing Empress Matilda to trade King Stephen with Robert. That the Anarchy would have ended in a different way ? I'm far from an expert on the period, but will throw in my tuppence worth. 1. The simple answer would be Matilda. She was Henry I's only living legitimate child, he had named her his heir and the barons had acknowledged her as such. However, Henry hardly had all that great of a claim to be king himself. He probably had one elder brother murdered to get England and certainly deposed another elder brother to get Normandy. And his barons most likely were under duress when they acknowledged Matilda as the heir. What's more if female succession is to be allowed in Matilda's case, perhaps Stephen had a claim in that he was the son of Henry's (possibly elder) sister. Although we tend to think of succession as going to the eldest living son then defaulting to the eldest daughter, such rules were not set out at the time (I believe they weren't finalised as such til Henry VIII's time). It could therefore be argued that a male via a female line might have been considered more legitimate than a female via the male line. Finally, Stephen was well known and liked by the English court, who barely knew and strongly disliked Matilda who was apparently very arrogant. With the dynasty of William I already pretty shaky, having the support of the barons should count a lot. So, I would still say Matilda but Stephen certainly had a strong claim too. 2. Absolutely. Had Robert not been captured after Stephen then she had a huge chance. She also could have done better had she lured more of the barons over to her cause or not offended those who were on her side. 3. I'd call it a draw. Stephen got to be king of England, Matilda had to settle for the duchy of Normandy. However Stephen had to disinherit his sons in favour of Matilda's son who got England and Normandy (and Aquitaine besides). So I'd say Henry II won, while Matilda and Stephen broke even. 4. She lost a powerful ally with Henry Bishop of Winchester, then besieged him and lost Robert in the process. She also turned her allies and the people of London against her. Really, she had the country there and lost it due to a complete lack of personal skills and political nous. 5. Possibly. Empress Matilda seemed prone to cock-ups so she may have messed up even without the other Matilda's interference. But certainly Matilda of Boulogne played a critical part in the whole thing.
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