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Post by charzhino on Aug 8, 2017 10:27:51 GMT
Comparing Days of Future Past to GotG2 is like comparing a Van Gough painting to that of a pre-schoolers.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 8, 2017 11:22:31 GMT
Comparing Days of Future Past to GotG2 is like comparing a Van Gough painting to that of a pre-schoolers. Yeah, DOFP was pretty much paint-by-the-numbers and offered nothing new as opposed to how brave GOTG was. Well, except for more Patrick Stewart Speeches, characters once again getting shafted in favor of Logan and Holocaust exploitation. And cowardly storytelling, plenty of that.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 8, 2017 14:31:22 GMT
Comparing Days of Future Past to GotG2 is like comparing a Van Gough painting to that of a pre-schoolers. Yeah, DOFP was pretty much paint-by-the-numbers and offered nothing new as opposed to how brave GOTG was. Well, except for more Patrick Stewart Speeches, characters once again getting shafted in favor of Logan and Holocaust exploitation. And cowardly storytelling, plenty of that. Na it offered nothing new except showcasing how well overlapping time travel story arcs can be executed with superior editing in a comic book film thats not been done before and hasnt been done since. And thats a greater risk than GotG2 where all they had to do is go overkill on comedy again to guarantee a win, since thats what made the 1st one so popular amongst (man)children. Logan taking a new role of a less aggressive version is a fresh welcome. Making Xavier a drug addict is a risky move. Using Peter Dinklage as Trask was a bold step. DOFP's best scenes are ones which convey how good writing and acting can be effective without dependency on CGI action - which GotG2 has plenty of. And the one scene which does use CGI to perfection is the quicksilver scene and it surpasses anything achieved visually in Gotg2. And the fact that DOFP got 91% RT, 91% User, 74 metacritic, 7.5 RT - all higher than respective GotG2 scores show unanimously that it is infact Guardian's which is the paint-by-the-numbers "film". And don't bother saying its because of artificial boosters that they brought the old cast back. No. Its because its a cinematic masterpiece within the comic book film genre
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 8, 2017 15:02:28 GMT
Yeah, DOFP was pretty much paint-by-the-numbers and offered nothing new as opposed to how brave GOTG was. Well, except for more Patrick Stewart Speeches, characters once again getting shafted in favor of Logan and Holocaust exploitation. And cowardly storytelling, plenty of that. Na it offered nothing new except showcasing how well overlapping time travel story arcs can be executed with superior editing in a comic book film thats not been done before and hasnt been done since. And thats a greater risk than GotG2 where all they had to do is go overkill on comedy again to guarantee a win, since thats what made the 1st one so popular amongst (man)children. Logan taking a new role of a less aggressive version is a fresh welcome. Making Xavier a drug addict is a risky move. Using Peter Dinklage as Trask was a bold step. DOFP's best scenes are ones which convey how good writing and acting can be effective without dependency on CGI action - which GotG2 has plenty of. And the one scene which does use CGI to perfection is the quicksilver scene and it surpasses anything achieved visually in Gotg2. And the fact that DOFP got 91% RT, 91% User, 74 metacritic, 7.5 RT - all higher than respective GotG2 scores show unanimously that it is infact Guardian's which is the paint-by-the-numbers "film". And don't bother saying its because of artificial boosters that they brought the old cast back. No. Its because its a cinematic masterpiece within the comic book film genre The time traveling in DOFP was pretty lame, really. They never explained how Kitty could do this, and the time travel plot was for the sole purpose of retconning X3 out of existence because it was the only X-Movie to change up the status quo and kill off people. GOTG took a major risk in existing, as they took D-Listers who had little to do with the plots on Earth and told a big cosmic adventure story about them that still managed to build on the world they were creating. While all X-Men does is squander all the stuff made because they can't let go of Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine. We could be getting cool stuff like the Savage Land and instead we get more "Mutant Registration" BS. Xavier a drug addict? Total waste, because he gets over his addictions in ONE SCENE. Dinklage? Total waste, and he'll be better done in the MCU when he shows up in Infinity Wars. The only decent scene in DOFP was the Quicksilver scene, and that was because it was basically an MCU scene in what was a movie series utterly ashamed of its comic origins so naturally it stood out. Aside from that, it was the same old nonsense with Xavier and Magneto bitching at each other before Magneto messes things up and Xavier stupidly lets him go at the end. Again. And yes, DOFP WAS because of the boosters from the old cast coming back. Take them away and the film is in the 70s or so. The first GOTG exceeded it.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 8, 2017 15:44:13 GMT
The time traveling in DOFP was pretty lame, really. They never explained how Kitty could do this, and the time travel plot was for the sole purpose of retconning X3 out of existence because it was the only X-Movie to change up the status quo and kill off people. If its lame, what you comparing it with since no other CBM has risked doing it. And the overlapping scenes between past and future during the climax is a prime example of how well the editing and story presentation is. Something Nolan would be proud of. And it wasnt simply due to retconning X3, it was based off the comic story obviously. And kittys powers are modified, so what. If they can remove Spidey Sense then they can add time phasing. After the successful light reboot of First Class, why would you ditch the Xavier/Wolverine/Erik dynamic? DOFP is a story that needed to be told and was a natural path into X-Men Apocalypse which took it in a different direction. The Savage Land/Asteroid M stuff would not be plausible in Singers X-Verse and would need a full on reboot which is pointless to get rid of the casting talent Fox already has. Yeah One scene which is a powerful one and convinces him of a dystopian future. You can show a smoker a vision of their painful death in the future and they would quit instantly. Dinklage will be treated like a clown in Infinity War.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 8, 2017 16:20:44 GMT
And kittys powers are modified, so what. If they can remove Spidey Sense then they can add time phasing. They didn't "add" time phasing to Shadowcat's powers. Time-phasing has always been part of Shadowcat's power set. She had the time-phasing power in the comic-book story too. Dinklage will be treated like a clown in Infinity War. True. MCU treats their villains like jokes. Loki gets tossed around like a rag doll in The Avengers. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer gets defeated by a silly Dance-Off in GotG. And Mandarin was just an actor pretending to be a bad guy.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 8, 2017 17:49:21 GMT
And kittys powers are modified, so what. If they can remove Spidey Sense then they can add time phasing. They didn't "add" time phasing to Shadowcat's powers. Time-phasing has always been part of Shadowcat's power set. She had the time-phasing power in the comic-book story too. Dinklage will be treated like a clown in Infinity War. True. MCU treats their villains like jokes. Loki gets tossed around like a rag doll in The Avengers. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer gets defeated by a silly Dance-Off in GotG. And Mandarin was just an actor pretending to be a bad guy. So what you are saying is that you don't know the original DoFP comic story either? You see, Kitty didn't send herself back in time. Rachel sent her mind back in time. You know the Rachel that has telepathy? A power that has to do with the mind? In the movie Kitty sends Logan's mind back in time. Kitty's powers has nothing to do with the mind. Her powers are physical. She phases through a person and they become physically paralyzed. Not mentally. Now if they would have shown her phasing a person bodily through time that would be different. Hopefully Dinklage would be treated like a clown. It would show that they are having fun. Did you see the Guardian Inferno vid? People in the MCU have fun. You keep saying that Ronan got defeated by a dance-off. I think the word you are looking for is distracted. I know English is not your first language so I'll help you out. Free of charge. And the funny thing about Ronan is that he was a parody of Apocalypse before Apocalypse even started filming... Self-absorbed, egotistical villains that take themselves way too seriously and think they are the most powerful thing ever. And Guardians brought those types of villains down a peg.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 8, 2017 21:09:45 GMT
They didn't "add" time phasing to Shadowcat's powers. Time-phasing has always been part of Shadowcat's power set. She had the time-phasing power in the comic-book story too. True. MCU treats their villains like jokes. Loki gets tossed around like a rag doll in The Avengers. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer gets defeated by a silly Dance-Off in GotG. And Mandarin was just an actor pretending to be a bad guy. So what you are saying is that you don't know the original DoFP comic story either? You see, Kitty didn't send herself back in time. Rachel sent her mind back in time. You know the Rachel that has telepathy? A power that has to do with the mind? In the movie Kitty sends Logan's mind back in time. Kitty's powers has nothing to do with the mind. Her powers are physical. She phases through a person and they become physically paralyzed. Not mentally. Now if they would have shown her phasing a person bodily through time that would be different. Hopefully Dinklage would be treated like a clown. It would show that they are having fun. Did you see the Guardian Inferno vid? People in the MCU have fun. You keep saying that Ronan got defeated by a dance-off. I think the word you are looking for is distracted. I know English is not your first language so I'll help you out. Free of charge. And the funny thing about Ronan is that he was a parody of Apocalypse before Apocalypse even started filming... Self-absorbed, egotistical villains that take themselves way too seriously and think they are the most powerful thing ever. And Guardians brought those types of villains down a peg. We get it, you're one of those fans who likes fun, light hearted comic movies that dont take themselves seriously and are filled with humour, gags and quips aimed for children. God help the real X-fans the day when their films start to resemble a Guardian's movie.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 21:22:48 GMT
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 8, 2017 21:46:08 GMT
So what you are saying is that you don't know the original DoFP comic story either? You see, Kitty didn't send herself back in time. Rachel sent her mind back in time. You know the Rachel that has telepathy? A power that has to do with the mind? In the movie Kitty sends Logan's mind back in time. Kitty's powers has nothing to do with the mind. Her powers are physical. She phases through a person and they become physically paralyzed. Not mentally. Now if they would have shown her phasing a person bodily through time that would be different. Hopefully Dinklage would be treated like a clown. It would show that they are having fun. Did you see the Guardian Inferno vid? People in the MCU have fun. You keep saying that Ronan got defeated by a dance-off. I think the word you are looking for is distracted. I know English is not your first language so I'll help you out. Free of charge. And the funny thing about Ronan is that he was a parody of Apocalypse before Apocalypse even started filming... Self-absorbed, egotistical villains that take themselves way too seriously and think they are the most powerful thing ever. And Guardians brought those types of villains down a peg. We get it, you're one of those fans who likes fun, light hearted comic movies that dont take themselves seriously and are filled with humour, gags and quips aimed for children. God help the real X-fans the day when their films start to resemble a Guardian's movie. No, I like good movies... And sometimes guilty pleasures. Guess what, pinhead, I liked Logan. I liked Deadpool. I liked First Class. I kinda liked The Wolverine. But I also like movies where you can tell the actors liked that they are making the movie. The cast of Logan looked like they loved making that movie. Jennifer Lawrence was one of the things that turned me off on DoFP and Apocalypse because you can tell she didn't want to be there. Same goes for Kirsten Dunst in the 2nd and 3rd Spider-man movies. The only ones in the MCU you can tell weren't having fun were the ones complaining about making the movie (Rourke, Portman and Norton even Paltrow). When I said the people in the MCU have fun, I'm not talking about what is in the story or the lines. I mean watching the actors and what they are doing in the movie. Go back and watch them in the movie and it looks like they were there for the check. If an actor doesn't want to be there why should I want to be there? And about Dinklage: would you rather watch him in Game of Thrones or DoFP? People remember him as Tyrion more than Trask because you can tell Dinklage loves playing the character. You want to watch him play this character. Another example is the 2 Strykers (omitting Origins). Cox's Stryker is way better because Stryker was having fun with it. Chewing up all the scenery. Same goes for young and old Magneto. More examples. Who are the favorite villains in the MCU? Loki and Vulture and Purple Man and Fisk and people are already liking Hela just from the trailers. It's not because they are fearsome or scary or whatever. You can tell these actors enjoyed what they were doing.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 0:38:40 GMT
The time traveling in DOFP was pretty lame, really. They never explained how Kitty could do this, and the time travel plot was for the sole purpose of retconning X3 out of existence because it was the only X-Movie to change up the status quo and kill off people. If its lame, what you comparing it with since no other CBM has risked doing it. And the overlapping scenes between past and future during the climax is a prime example of how well the editing and story presentation is. Something Nolan would be proud of. And it wasnt simply due to retconning X3, it was based off the comic story obviously. And kittys powers are modified, so what. If they can remove Spidey Sense then they can add time phasing. After the successful light reboot of First Class, why would you ditch the Xavier/Wolverine/Erik dynamic? DOFP is a story that needed to be told and was a natural path into X-Men Apocalypse which took it in a different direction. The Savage Land/Asteroid M stuff would not be plausible in Singers X-Verse and would need a full on reboot which is pointless to get rid of the casting talent Fox already has. Yeah One scene which is a powerful one and convinces him of a dystopian future. You can show a smoker a vision of their painful death in the future and they would quit instantly. Dinklage will be treated like a clown in Infinity War. It's lame when you compare it with a proper time travel story, like Back to the Future. And that past/future stuff was nothing to be proud of, I'll take the Multiversal Journey scenes from Dr Strange over that. They didn't remove the Spider-Sense, he clearly still has it. You just didn't bother reading that article they published. Why ditch it? Because there's more to X-men than Xavier/Magneto/Logan. If Singer is too creatively bankrupt to do stuff like the Savage Land or Asteroid M he shouldn't be doing these movies anymore. The CBM genre has moved on without him. One scene isn't enough for a guy to get over a decade of drugs and booze. Iron Man 3 handled Tony's PTSD much better. Dinklage will be treated the way his character is treated, because MCU is more faithful to the spirit of the comics than the FoX-Verse is.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 0:40:18 GMT
So what you are saying is that you don't know the original DoFP comic story either? You see, Kitty didn't send herself back in time. Rachel sent her mind back in time. You know the Rachel that has telepathy? A power that has to do with the mind? In the movie Kitty sends Logan's mind back in time. Kitty's powers has nothing to do with the mind. Her powers are physical. She phases through a person and they become physically paralyzed. Not mentally. Now if they would have shown her phasing a person bodily through time that would be different. Hopefully Dinklage would be treated like a clown. It would show that they are having fun. Did you see the Guardian Inferno vid? People in the MCU have fun. You keep saying that Ronan got defeated by a dance-off. I think the word you are looking for is distracted. I know English is not your first language so I'll help you out. Free of charge. And the funny thing about Ronan is that he was a parody of Apocalypse before Apocalypse even started filming... Self-absorbed, egotistical villains that take themselves way too seriously and think they are the most powerful thing ever. And Guardians brought those types of villains down a peg. We get it, you're one of those fans who likes fun, light hearted comic movies that dont take themselves seriously and are filled with humour, gags and quips aimed for children. God help the real X-fans the day when their films start to resemble a Guardian's movie. You mean, actually be like the comics.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 9, 2017 3:25:12 GMT
We get it, you're one of those fans who likes fun, light hearted comic movies that dont take themselves seriously and are filled with humour, gags and quips aimed for children. God help the real X-fans the day when their films start to resemble a Guardian's movie. You mean, actually be like the comics. So basically you've only ever read IDW and never once read a Marvel floppy.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 9, 2017 3:25:47 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 3:26:15 GMT
You mean, actually be like the comics. So basically you've only ever read IDW and never once read a Marvel floppy. No, I just read more X-Men comics than Bryan Singer.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 9, 2017 3:27:05 GMT
So basically you've only ever read IDW and never once read a Marvel floppy. No, I just read more X-Men comics than Bryan Singer. Oh, really? Which ones?
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Post by charzhino on Aug 9, 2017 10:37:05 GMT
No, I like good movies... And sometimes guilty pleasures. Guess what, pinhead, I liked Logan. I liked Deadpool. I liked First Class. I kinda liked The Wolverine. But I also like movies where you can tell the actors liked that they are making the movie. The cast of Logan looked like they loved making that movie. Jennifer Lawrence was one of the things that turned me off on DoFP and Apocalypse because you can tell she didn't want to be there. Same goes for Kirsten Dunst in the 2nd and 3rd Spider-man movies. The only ones in the MCU you can tell weren't having fun were the ones complaining about making the movie (Rourke, Portman and Norton even Paltrow). When I said the people in the MCU have fun, I'm not talking about what is in the story or the lines. I mean watching the actors and what they are doing in the movie. Go back and watch them in the movie and it looks like they were there for the check. If an actor doesn't want to be there why should I want to be there? And about Dinklage: would you rather watch him in Game of Thrones or DoFP? People remember him as Tyrion more than Trask because you can tell Dinklage loves playing the character. You want to watch him play this character. Another example is the 2 Strykers (omitting Origins). Cox's Stryker is way better because Stryker was having fun with it. Chewing up all the scenery. Same goes for young and old Magneto. More examples. Who are the favorite villains in the MCU? Loki and Vulture and Purple Man and Fisk and people are already liking Hela just from the trailers. It's not because they are fearsome or scary or whatever. You can tell these actors enjoyed what they were doing. I don't watch GoT. Yes Jennifer Lawrence is a huge turn off because of her limp bored performance but I doubt very much Dinklage had the same experience. Im not sure I understand your point either. Trask was written as a very mellow, straight talking cold villain and he played it flawlessly. Brain Cox was written with a more conniving-arrogant personality and it worked. I dont see how you can say Dinklage didnt enjoy being in DOFP because he was loyal to the character profile written for Trask.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 9, 2017 10:39:37 GMT
So basically you've only ever read IDW and never once read a Marvel floppy. No, I just read more X-Men comics than Bryan Singer. Go back and read the actual Days of Future Past comic. Its nothing like what you're making out.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 13:06:06 GMT
No, I just read more X-Men comics than Bryan Singer. Go back and read the actual Days of Future Past comic. Its nothing like what you're making out. The actual DOFP comic isn't really THAT good. It's more for the precedent it set rather than the actual content. Kind of like how the Phoenix Saga isn't all that great either.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 13:06:24 GMT
No, I just read more X-Men comics than Bryan Singer. Oh, really? Which ones? Any of them, .
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