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Post by johnspartan on Aug 5, 2017 19:47:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 1:22:32 GMT
Hmmmmm... (snicker) You don't think that Lucas is aware of the issues of complaint that a sizable portion of the fanbase has had with him. To his credit he doesn't openly engage in public or social media battles with any opinions coming from the fanbase. But he's had his say through a production standpoint.
As you brought out that scene was re-edited to clearly show Greedo shooting first. The whole controversy likely developed from a production oversight.
You have to remember that all of this stuff was cutting edge technology at the time of ANH. Lucas original intent was likely that the scene was to portray Greedo shooting first. But when the blaster shot effects were put in post-production the shots were extremely close together in that scene. And some fan took time to study it close enough and bring out the point that Han actually shot first. Lucas was stuck with the visual evidence until he changed it in a new edition.
He responded with all the hate from fans who trolled the prequels with ending availability to purchase the original editions of the OT. The shirt is likely his way of making a cynical retort to the controversy, mocking the whole issue.
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 6, 2017 3:46:50 GMT
Hmmmmm... (snicker) You don't think that Lucas is aware of the issues of complaint that a sizable portion of the fanbase has had with him. To his credit he doesn't openly engage in public or social media battles with any opinions coming from the fanbase. But he's had his say through a production standpoint. As you brought out that scene was re-edited to clearly show Greedo shooting first. The whole controversy likely developed from a production oversight. You have to remember that all of this stuff was cutting edge technology at the time of ANH. Lucas original intent was likely that the scene was to portray Greedo shooting first. But when the blaster shot effects were put in post-production the shots were extremely close together in that scene. And some fan took time to study it close enough and bring out the point that Han actually shot first. Lucas was stuck with the visual evidence until he changed it in a new edition. He responded with all the hate from fans who trolled the prequels with ending availability to purchase the original editions of the OT. The shirt is likely his way of making a cynical retort to the controversy, mocking the whole issue. There is nothing I hate more than Special Edition defenders parroting the lies Lucas concocted about that scene. "B-b-b-but that's how Lucas always wanted it" is just BULLSHIT! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 3:51:35 GMT
Hmmmmm... (snicker) You don't think that Lucas is aware of the issues of complaint that a sizable portion of the fanbase has had with him. To his credit he doesn't openly engage in public or social media battles with any opinions coming from the fanbase. But he's had his say through a production standpoint. As you brought out that scene was re-edited to clearly show Greedo shooting first. The whole controversy likely developed from a production oversight. You have to remember that all of this stuff was cutting edge technology at the time of ANH. Lucas original intent was likely that the scene was to portray Greedo shooting first. But when the blaster shot effects were put in post-production the shots were extremely close together in that scene. And some fan took time to study it close enough and bring out the point that Han actually shot first. Lucas was stuck with the visual evidence until he changed it in a new edition. He responded with all the hate from fans who trolled the prequels with ending availability to purchase the original editions of the OT. The shirt is likely his way of making a cynical retort to the controversy, mocking the whole issue. There is nothing I hate more than Special Edition defenders parroting the lies Lucas concocted about that scene. "B-b-b-but that's how Lucas always wanted it" is just BULLSHIT! You are welcome to prove it is "BULLSHIT" sir. I'll be here waiting for your proof... a very, very, very long time. (Yawn) |
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Post by bonerxmas on Aug 6, 2017 3:55:58 GMT
Hmmmmm... (snicker) You don't think that Lucas is aware of the issues of complaint that a sizable portion of the fanbase has had with him. To his credit he doesn't openly engage in public or social media battles with any opinions coming from the fanbase. But he's had his say through a production standpoint. As you brought out that scene was re-edited to clearly show Greedo shooting first. The whole controversy likely developed from a production oversight. You have to remember that all of this stuff was cutting edge technology at the time of ANH. Lucas original intent was likely that the scene was to portray Greedo shooting first. But when the blaster shot effects were put in post-production the shots were extremely close together in that scene. And some fan took time to study it close enough and bring out the point that Han actually shot first. Lucas was stuck with the visual evidence until he changed it in a new edition. He responded with all the hate from fans who trolled the prequels with ending availability to purchase the original editions of the OT. The shirt is likely his way of making a cynical retort to the controversy, mocking the whole issue. well the preproduction scripts are online so you check and see what they say |
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 6, 2017 4:02:59 GMT
There is nothing I hate more than Special Edition defenders parroting the lies Lucas concocted about that scene. "B-b-b-but that's how Lucas always wanted it" is just BULLSHIT! You are welcome to prove it is "BULLSHIT" sir. I'll be here waiting for your proof... a very, very, very long time. (Yawn) Not long at all. time.com/3914183/star-wars-original-script/ |
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Post by bonerxmas on Aug 6, 2017 4:10:46 GMT
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 6, 2017 4:16:21 GMT
Greedo
You can tell that to Jabba. He may
only take your ship.
HAN
Over my dead body.
GREEDO
That's the idea. I've been looking
forward to killing you for a long
time.
HAN
Yes, I'll bet you have.
Suddenly the slimy alien disappears in a blinding flash of
light. Han pulls his smoking gun from beneath the table as
the other patron look on in bemused amazement. Han gets up
and starts out of the cantina, flipping the bartender some
coins as he leaves.
HAN
Sorry about the mess.
EXT. SPACE
Several TIE fighters approach the Death Star.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 4:31:05 GMT
Hmmmmm... (snicker) You don't think that Lucas is aware of the issues of complaint that a sizable portion of the fanbase has had with him. To his credit he doesn't openly engage in public or social media battles with any opinions coming from the fanbase. But he's had his say through a production standpoint. As you brought out that scene was re-edited to clearly show Greedo shooting first. The whole controversy likely developed from a production oversight. You have to remember that all of this stuff was cutting edge technology at the time of ANH. Lucas original intent was likely that the scene was to portray Greedo shooting first. But when the blaster shot effects were put in post-production the shots were extremely close together in that scene. And some fan took time to study it close enough and bring out the point that Han actually shot first. Lucas was stuck with the visual evidence until he changed it in a new edition. He responded with all the hate from fans who trolled the prequels with ending availability to purchase the original editions of the OT. The shirt is likely his way of making a cynical retort to the controversy, mocking the whole issue. well the preproduction scripts are online so you check and see what they say Your point being? The preproduction scripts have a multitude of things in them that were either changed or didn't make it into the film. Fact. So what happened to those things that Lucas absolutely was entrenched in making it that way in film? So he was lying in the preproduction script about those things also? |
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Post by bonerxmas on Aug 6, 2017 4:35:38 GMT
well the preproduction scripts are online so you check and see what they say Your point being? The preproduction scripts have a multitude of things in them that were either changed or didn't make it into the film. Fact. So what happened to those things that Lucas absolutely was entrenched in making it that way in film? So he was lying in the preproduction script about those things also? boy are you bitter, well i guess you hate losing an argument |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 4:49:01 GMT
Your point being? The preproduction scripts have a multitude of things in them that were either changed or didn't make it into the film. Fact. So what happened to those things that Lucas absolutely was entrenched in making it that way in film? So he was lying in the preproduction script about those things also? boy are you bitter, well i guess you hate losing an argument Not bitter at all. I simply pointed out the fact of the matter. If you don't believe me carefully read over the script. After you do if you still have the guts to admit that there really are a multitude of differences between it and the film we can talk. The irony is that you and your friend are the ones who are obviously bitter. Picking on one point in the film that contradicts the script when there are quite a few others that you conveniently ignore. And why? Because you're bitterly obsessed with rehashing an argument that's almost 40 years old! Now that's bitter! I seriously hope you're not married because I can tell you rehashing 40 year old arguments (right or wrong) is a guaranteed way to screw up a marriage or ruin your social life. |
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 6, 2017 5:09:54 GMT
boy are you bitter, well i guess you hate losing an argument Not bitter at all. I simply pointed out the fact of the matter. If you don't believe me carefully read over the script. After you do if you still have the guts to admit that there really are a multitude of differences between it and the film we can talk. The irony is that you and your friend are the ones who are obviously bitter. Picking on one point in the film that contradicts the script when there are quite a few others that you conveniently ignore. And why? Because you're bitterly obsessed with rehashing an argument that's almost 40 years old! Now that's bitter! I seriously hope you're not married because I can tell you rehashing 40 year old arguments (right or wrong) is a guaranteed way to screw up a marriage or ruin your social life. The Special Edition argument has been going on for 20 years not 40. Face it kid, you don't know shit about this subject. You've been completely annihilated, now run along in shame. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 5:30:43 GMT
Not bitter at all. I simply pointed out the fact of the matter. If you don't believe me carefully read over the script. After you do if you still have the guts to admit that there really are a multitude of differences between it and the film we can talk. The irony is that you and your friend are the ones who are obviously bitter. Picking on one point in the film that contradicts the script when there are quite a few others that you conveniently ignore. And why? Because you're bitterly obsessed with rehashing an argument that's almost 40 years old! Now that's bitter! I seriously hope you're not married because I can tell you rehashing 40 year old arguments (right or wrong) is a guaranteed way to screw up a marriage or ruin your social life. The Special Edition argument has been going on for 20 years not 40. Face it kid, you don't know shit about this subject. You've been completely annihilated, now run along in shame. The argument about who shot first has been going on longer than any 20 years. But I really don't care. You're the one obsessed with a trivial argument about one scene in a film for decades. So your whole SW experience is ruined over the issue of this one scene. You fanbase haters need to get a life. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 6:02:27 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 6, 2017 8:27:35 GMT
So in 2008, while filming "Crystal Skull" George Lucas was photographed wearing a "Han Shot First" T-shirt. Then in 2011 he releases the "busted" versions with Greedo shooting first on Blu ray, anyway. WTF???    brilliant Trump parody: old news filtered through the prism of Poe's law with a strong whiff of fallacious obtuseness and foul-mouthed ignorance. Like the man himself and his fanbase. I applaud you sir, sincerely.  |
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 6, 2017 9:30:30 GMT
So in 2008, while filming "Crystal Skull" George Lucas was photographed wearing a "Han Shot First" T-shirt. Then in 2011 he releases the "busted" versions with Greedo shooting first on Blu ray, anyway. WTF??? brilliant Trump parody: old news filtered through the prism of Poe's law with a strong whiff of fallacious obtuseness and foul-mouthed ignorance. Like the man himself and his fanbase. I applaud you sir, sincerely. You seem to be lost. You're confusedly bringing up politics on the Star Wars board. Piss off and eat a bag of dicks. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 6, 2017 11:52:54 GMT
brilliant Trump parody: old news filtered through the prism of Poe's law with a strong whiff of fallacious obtuseness and foul-mouthed ignorance. Like the man himself and his fanbase. I applaud you sir, sincerely. You're confusedly bringing up politics on the Star Wars board. Piss off and eat a bag of dicks. There is no war here unless you brought it with you. I see from your sophisticated response you must have studied at Trump University.  |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 6, 2017 19:24:31 GMT
So in 2008, while filming "Crystal Skull" George Lucas was photographed wearing a "Han Shot First" T-shirt. Then in 2011 he releases the "busted" versions with Greedo shooting first on Blu ray, anyway. WTF??? brilliant Trump parody: old news filtered through the prism of Poe's law with a strong whiff of fallacious obtuseness and foul-mouthed ignorance. Like the man himself and his fanbase. I applaud you sir, sincerely. Well defined and well said! I don't know that I agree with all the rhetoric (from some fans and allegedly even Lucas himself) that Lucas originally intended for Greedo to shoot first. But I agree with one point from @darthpapanoida - the shirt in the photo is Lucas "mocking the issue". Like Palpatine creating the war, sucking the Jedi into it, and then turning a trusted element of it against them; Lucas is mocking the controversy by wearing paraphernalia from "the other side". In reality he created both sides and controls both sides. And he's playing these poor saps like a poker chip. Just like Nute Gunray they don't realize that "the war is over!" But Lord Sidious (Lucas) didn't really "promise (them) peace!" And they fail to accept the fact that Lucas is out of SW (just like they probably want), but that means that he doesn't have to answer to these complaints anymore. SW is Disney's not his. And it's Disney's problem not Lucas. They can't anymore affect Lucas with these issues than Vader could affect ObiWan after he became a Force ghost! |
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 6, 2017 19:56:39 GMT
brilliant Trump parody: old news filtered through the prism of Poe's law with a strong whiff of fallacious obtuseness and foul-mouthed ignorance. Like the man himself and his fanbase. I applaud you sir, sincerely. Just like Nute Gunray they don't realize that "the war is over!" But Lord Sidious (Lucas) didn't really "promise (them) peace!" And they fail to accept the fact that Lucas is out of SW (just like they probably want), but that means that he doesn't have to answer to these complaints anymore. SW is Disney's not his. And it's Disney's problem not Lucas. They can't anymore affect Lucas with these issues than Vader could affect ObiWan after he became a Force ghost! It's not over as long as Special Edition only blu rays are being sold. I know you prequel loving clowns don't like discussing true SW movies so you can go back to playing with your Jar Jar Binks toys. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Aug 6, 2017 21:31:59 GMT
Just like Nute Gunray they don't realize that "the war is over!" But Lord Sidious (Lucas) didn't really "promise (them) peace!" And they fail to accept the fact that Lucas is out of SW (just like they probably want), but that means that he doesn't have to answer to these complaints anymore. SW is Disney's not his. And it's Disney's problem not Lucas. They can't anymore affect Lucas with these issues than Vader could affect ObiWan after he became a Force ghost! It's not over as long as Special Edition only blu rays are being sold. I know you prequel loving clowns don't like discussing true SW movies so you can go back to playing with your Jar Jar Binks toys. Well, well, well. If it isn't another bitter prequel hating clown venting bitterness over stuff... proving once again that you're fanbase group is desperately in need of therapy because you're the only ones that are emotionally distraught (if not emotionally disturbed) and obsessed with destroying the creator of SW because he didn't make all of the prequels into 3 rehashes of ANH. You're the only fanbase group that's totally obsessed with a point of contention or complaint in any franchise 10 to 20 years later! News flash! You don't decide what real SW is for other people. So go get yourself plenty of cheese to go with all of that whine. Go back to your basement activities of burning prequel action figures, dressing up like Rey, and sending Lucas death threats! Or whatever else mentally disturbed stuff it is you prequel hating sick puppies do. 👋 |
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