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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 1:48:50 GMT
We have approximately 75 years or more documented on film in the SW galaxy. And it's established that Snoke knows the recent history of the Sith. By physical appearance we can also conclude that he is old. The question is where has Snoke been all of this time? Especially in light of the fact that the Sith have dominated the galactic scene and he is a Darkside master.
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Post by Nightman on Aug 6, 2017 3:30:57 GMT
Wait, you want a fanfic about Snoke's whereabouts all this time? I would, but I'm too lazy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 14:28:11 GMT
His spirit has been around. He was present in some of the most climactic moments of the PT and OT, you just couldn't see him. He spoke once, but you didn't recognize his voice. You saw flashes of his power, but you didn't know what you were seeing.
As for his body, it was a wrecked and dead object and was hidden in the unknown regions of space. Following the events of ROTJ, his spirit coerced a lackey to retrieve the body so that he could repossess it and begin the long process of regeneration.
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Post by ryboto on Aug 7, 2017 15:29:03 GMT
Snoke is the reason Anakin wasn't vaporized during his first flight in a Naboo fighter.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 8, 2017 16:36:24 GMT
that's simple, obviously they pulled him out of their ass. That's where he has been all the time...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 16:51:28 GMT
I wonder if Vader ever secretly and slowly pursued the ghost of Plagueis once he realized Palpatine was as full of bullshit as the response above.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 8, 2017 16:59:35 GMT
We have approximately 75 years or more documented on film in the SW galaxy. And it's established that Snoke knows the recent history of the Sith. By physical appearance we can also conclude that he is old. The question is where has Snoke been all of this time? Especially in light of the fact that the Sith have dominated the galactic scene and he is a Darkside master. During his reign, Empire’s End explains, Palpatine ordered the creation of several secrets “observatories” throughout the galaxies. These observatories were equipped with computers that sent signals out into the Unknown Regions – an uncharted, unexplored area of space – in the hopes of creating a hyperspace path. After the book explains Palpatine’s purpose for the observatories, Gallius Rax, recalls what Palpatine hoped to find out there in the Unknown ( from page 379 ) : "Before Palpatine’s demise at the hands of the rebels, the computers finished their calculations, finally finding a way through the unknown. The Emperor was convinced that something waited for him out there – some origin of the force, some dark presence, formed of malevolent substance. The Emperor called it a signal – conveniently one that only he could hear. Even his greatest enforcer, Vader, seemed oblivious to it… "
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 19:23:46 GMT
We have approximately 75 years or more documented on film in the SW galaxy. And it's established that Snoke knows the recent history of the Sith. By physical appearance we can also conclude that he is old. The question is where has Snoke been all of this time? Especially in light of the fact that the Sith have dominated the galactic scene and he is a Darkside master. During his reign, Empire’s End explains, Palpatine ordered the creation of several secrets “observatories” throughout the galaxies. These observatories were equipped with computers that sent signals out into the Unknown Regions – an uncharted, unexplored area of space – in the hopes of creating a hyperspace path. After the book explains Palpatine’s purpose for the observatories, Gallius Rax, recalls what Palpatine hoped to find out there in the Unknown ( from page 379 ) : "Before Palpatine’s demise at the hands of the rebels, the computers finished their calculations, finally finding a way through the unknown. The Emperor was convinced that something waited for him out there – some origin of the force, some dark presence, formed of malevolent substance. The Emperor called it a signal – conveniently one that only he could hear. Even his greatest enforcer, Vader, seemed oblivious to it… "I'm still waiting to see if that's going to be a legitimate tie-in or a red herring. The problem with it being a legitimate tie-in is it still doesn't answer the question of how Snoke could exclusively be some enigmatic force, calling to Palpatine from the Unknown Regions, and yet, simultaneously be present during galactic affairs in order to witness the rise and fall of the Empire and train apprentices.
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Post by audiosane on Aug 8, 2017 19:43:13 GMT
that's simple, obviously they pulled him out of their ass. That's where he has been all the time... Snoke n' Maz dated while in Lucasfilm's colon.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 10, 2017 0:26:53 GMT
Maybe he's some kind of ancient Dark Side Force user that possessed Palpatine's dead body as it fell in the Death Star?
I have no idea.
I have a feeling that we won't get an explanation for who he is because, you know, Abrams' Mystery Box.
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Post by pete8680 on Aug 10, 2017 12:49:09 GMT
Simple explanation that covers much ground that almost all fans can agree on.
He's Darth "Vegas"
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Post by Nightman on Aug 10, 2017 20:49:42 GMT
Maybe he's some kind of ancient Dark Side Force user that possessed Palpatine's dead body as it fell in the Death Star? I have no idea. I have a feeling that we won't get an explanation for who he is because, you know, Abrams' Mystery Box. I heard somewhere Snoke won't be explained until Ep9; he'll get no backstory in TLJ.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 21:45:30 GMT
Maybe he's some kind of ancient Dark Side Force user that possessed Palpatine's dead body as it fell in the Death Star? I have no idea. I have a feeling that we won't get an explanation for who he is because, you know, Abrams' Mystery Box. I heard somewhere Snoke won't be explained until Ep9; he'll get no backstory in TLJ. That's what RJ says.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 10, 2017 22:31:39 GMT
Maybe he's some kind of ancient Dark Side Force user that possessed Palpatine's dead body as it fell in the Death Star? I have no idea. I have a feeling that we won't get an explanation for who he is because, you know, Abrams' Mystery Box. I heard somewhere Snoke won't be explained until Ep9; he'll get no backstory in TLJ. That's interesting. Hopefully it's good if we don't get it until 2019.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 12, 2017 10:50:34 GMT
I heard somewhere Snoke won't be explained until Ep9; he'll get no backstory in TLJ. That's interesting. Hopefully it's good if we don't get it until 2019. And yet it will invariably be shit.
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Post by pete8680 on Aug 22, 2017 0:50:38 GMT
Snoke is a lazy B@stard. Let Vader & Palpatine do all the work, wait til they die, then take over a Republic 100 times weaker then the Old Republic in the Prequels.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 22, 2017 2:19:22 GMT
Is snoke rey's daddy?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 23, 2017 0:45:31 GMT
I'm going to guess that he learned under Plagueis as Palpatine did. He was a failure and tried to overthrow Palpatine and Plagueis, but failed. That's how he received all his facial scars.
He then went into the darkest reaches of the galaxy and learned the ways of the Dark Side through a shady and weak teacher. His teacher died and Snoke became bent on revenge against Palpatine.
Snoke then learns that Palpatine has been killed and awaits his own chance to take rule over the galaxy. He creates life (Rey), by using the powers taught to him by Plagueis, to be his chosen one and closest ally, but an assault by Luke took her away and stashed her on Jakku. He now wants to find Luke and Rey to kill them both, or switch them to his side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 16:05:03 GMT
I'm going to guess that he learned under Plagueis as Palpatine did. He was a failure and tried to overthrow Palpatine and Plagueis, but failed. That's how he received all his facial scars. He then went into the darkest reaches of the galaxy and learned the ways of the Dark Side through a shady and weak teacher. His teacher died and Snoke became bent on revenge against Palpatine. Snoke then learns that Palpatine has been killed and awaits his own chance to take rule over the galaxy. He creates life (Rey), by using the powers taught to him by Plagueis, to be his chosen one and closest ally, but an assault by Luke took her away and stashed her on Jakku. He now wants to find Luke and Rey to kill them both, or switch them to his side. That's an interesting fanfic backstory to Snoke. And I like it. Maybe Plagueis secretly took on another apprentice because Palpatine was strong in the Darkside but was weak at learning Plagueis unique talent of manipulating midichlorians. That would explain why he couldn't readily teach it to Anakin after tempting Anakin with acquiring that power. Snoke is much better at it but weaker at using traditional Sith powers. Palpatine finds out about Snoke and it leads to a duel to the death between the two. Palpatine "kills" Snoke by impaling his lightsaber through neck up through the top of his head. Palpatine and Plagueis believe Snoke to be dead. But Snoke uses the midichlorian manipulation to keep himself from dying and sneaks away into the Unknown regions. There he hides trying to grow stronger in other Darkside abilities and learn other powers not typically associated with Sith. Interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 17:49:35 GMT
Okay, I'll bite.
Darth Plagueis' plan, like every Banite before him, was to upend the Republic, terminate the Jedi for good and establish a Sith Empire. Keep that in mind. Those are the three tenants of the Banite Sith plan. Although Plagueis respected and admired some of the qualities and work put in by the Sith Lords that preceded him, he felt as if the only way to sustain the Sith Empire over the long haul was to in turn sustain his own life. For only he was wise enough to maintain power. From the moment he met and apprenticed Sheev Palpatine, he relegated the Banite tenants to his apprentice and chose to focus his attentions on immortality and midi-chlorian manipulation. He had two paths he could follow: self-regeneration through manipulation of midi-chlorians or essence transference. He loathed the idea of the latter. He felt that a being as powerful as he should not have to rent the bodies of inferior beings, so he chose the former method, although he had perfected the latter just in case.
His experiments, however, were mixed. While he discovered that he could kill and revitalize humanoids, he also found out that each death left its mark. With each regeneration, cells and tissue tumbled further down the path of degeneration, until, after resurrecting his test subjects dozens of times, they would eventually be irreparable.
It was during this time that an assassination attempt was made on Plagueis' life. Finding himself unarmed and surrounded by dozens of the galaxy's most highly-trained assassins in a closed environment, Plagueis was gravely injured, but managed to slay his enemies. The surprise attack had begun with a chorus of lethal projectiles. Lacking foresight, even Plagueis' high level sensory skills and agility were not enough to avoid all harm. A lone vibro disc found its mark and removed half of his chin and part of his neck.
It was at this time that Plagueis discovered another limitation to his power: while he could apply the same midi-chlorian manipulation to his own body that he used to heal and resurrect others, the process was excruciatingly slow. Decades went by and his neck and jaw were only partially healed.
Palpatine was close to correct when he suggested in ROTS that Plagueis could save others, but not himself.
With this disheartening revelation, Plagueis became resolved to move forward with plan B: essence transference.
But Plagueis was far too powerful and far too high-minded to transfer into just any body. He needed the ultimate host with ultimate Force potential. And the host could not be guided by the Light side of the Force. Using a mixture of ancient sorcery, meditation and sheer dark side force, he spread his spiritual seed into the galaxy in hopes of creating one or more potential dark side hosts (this event, by the way, is the event that caused the imbalance in the Force that guides the plots of all seven episodic films). The child who emerged from this unnatural coupling was Anakin Skywalker. With unlimited Force potential and innate characteristics that made him vulnerable to the dark side, Skywalker became Plagueis' ultimate plan. The Skywalker line would supply an endless chain of worthy hosts.
It is during Anakin's first visit to Coruscant (as seen in The Phantom Menace), that Plagueis first spies his dark creation, and, in this important moment, his long-lost foresight ability returned for one final glimpse into the future. It was a mixture of success and tragedy. The Sith Empire would come to fruition, the Jedi would be purged and the Republic would fall. But his future host would be mutilated in the process. The perfect body for Plagueis' future dominance would become a shell of what it should have been.
Plagueis would be forced yet again to seek an alternative.
Palpatine didn't intend to give him much time to consider. Within days of Plagueis' final and greatest vision of foresight, Palpatine saw his chance to turn on his weakened master and supplant him in true Banite fashion. Plagueis found himself with a conundrum: he had trained his apprentice well, had helped him become Chancellor while Plagueis himself remained hidden as Master and was a pariah in public as his alter ego, Hego Damask. Plagueis found himself in a situation where this traitorous apprentice was publicly acknowledged and had gained legal authority. While he could have fought Palpatine and won, he knew doing so would put an abrupt halt on the years of preparations he had made. From the rabble rousing in the outer rim, to the idea to create a clone army, to the work spent training Palpatine, to the political pay-offs and favors, to the engineering of the Clone Wars, the tricky yet successful manipulations of Sifo Dyas and Count Dooku, all of it....decades of planning and execution would be gone and the Sith's legitimate rule would be over before it started. No, Plagueis, thought, there is another way.
His idea to keep his body intact forever was gone anyway and the Force had granted him the foresight to see that his perfect host would no longer work. When Palpatine unleashed his violent torrid of lightning on Plagueis' already old and decrepit body, Plagueis realized that the only way forward was to "die." He made no effort to fight back and was overwhelmed by Palpatine's power. Burning streaks racked his body, particularly one large crater on his skull near which the barrage of lighting had been focused. And just as Plagueis' body finally gave out and realized mortality, his spirit transferred to the slobbering and power-high Palpatine. There it resided, biding its time until the moment was right to rejoin the center of galactic affairs. After all, Palpatine had achieved the three main tenants of the Sith plan. So although Plagueis could have found a new host and unleashed his revenge against Palpatine, doing so would only wound Plagueis' own aspirations. No, it was better for him to remain hidden and allow things to play out. Time was on his side.
We can actually hear Plagueis' voice coming through on top of Palpatine's voice in ROTS during Vader's coronation.
We then see evidence of his presence one last time in ROTJ in Palpatine's thrown room. As Vader launches Palpatine down the energy well, we see a strange blue energy recoiling up the shaft from Palpatine's body towards Vader's. As a sidebar, it is important to understand that Plagueis had, in general, lost his foresight shortly after killing his master. This was explicitly owed to the fact that Tenebrous had also mastered essence transference and had entered his apprentice's body shortly after Plagueis killed him. Thus, Plagueis was not aware that Vader would turn back to the Light side and kill Palpatine. Coincidentally, Palpatine's own foresight of this event was kept from him due to Plagueis' spiritual presence within his body. Having not foreseen this treachery by Vader, Plagueis panics and tries to jump into Vader's body. However, in ROTJ, we see that the blue energy rushes up, but just as quickly retreats back down. Not only would Vader's body perish, but Vader could no longer host Plagueis' spirt. Because there was no Vader anymore. Only Anakin. And a spirit immersed in the dark side has no harbor in a vessel surrounded in the Light side.
Now Plagueis' spirit was trapped back in Palpatine's body, which would perish in moments. It looked like the Force had finally stricken back at Plagueis for good. His unholy imbalancing of the Force had brought him to this punishment. It was over.
Except it wasn't.
If there was one thing Plagueis knew, it was Sith history. Although he could be called a master, a warrior, a ruler, a teacher and a galactic engineer, at heart, Plagueis was a scholar. And in his studies, he learned that ancient Sith Lords had used more than flesh and blood to contain their spirits. Sometimes objects - imbued with power - were used as hosts. And it is in this desperate moment that Plagueis' spirit notices one item of interest in the hellish spot that Palpatine's body had ended up. Was it extreme fortune? Or was the Force acknowledging him and letting him know that he was still the favored Sith to lead the charge in representation of the dark side? Either way, there sat Darth Vader's freshly severed hand and beside it, a still operational light saber. Using the same technique that his predecessors used thousands of years previously to store their souls within powerful objects like talismans and holocrons, Plagueis did what he had to do and stored his spirit in the Sith vessel.
Using his power from within the vessel, Plagueis kept it from disintegrating. It eventually fell out of orbit and onto the surface moon of Endor.
How it was found is still a mystery, but indeed, it was found and eventually ended up in the hands of a Kubaz merchant, who in turn sold it to a mysterious cult called The Acolytes of the Beyond. These creeps would eventually be renamed The Knights of Ren when their eponymous leader emerged. But back then, Kylo Ren was still a Jedi in training and not yet turned to the dark side, although he was both obsessed and depressed by the monstrous legacy his grandfather had left him. Seeking answers, a young Kylo began uncovering secrets and acquiring old artifacts that led him closer to understanding who Vader was and, in turn, who he himself was. It was at this time that Plagueis' spirit tempted him to discover the secret whereabouts of Palpatine's dead master's body. Once the lightsaber was brought into proximity with the Wise Sith Lord's sarcophagus, Plagueis was able to complete the transference of his essence into his former body.
And although it was old and still in disrepair from his many battles and near-death experiences, the very ability to "resurrect" himself in front of an astonished Kylo was all it took to persuade the insecure boy down the path to the dark side. Thus began the very real beginning of Kylo Ren's fall and "Snoke's" manipulation. And Snoke it was, for, after all, "Darth Plagueis" and "Hego Damask" were names forever recorded in infamy. Too weak still to forcefully rule the galaxy, Plagueis created a new alias in order to keep his future plans secret.
Having watched from the sidelines as his previous apprentice achieved and then lost everything, Plagueis knows now that victory can only be sustained if he himself calls all the shots. He rallies the remnants of the fallen Empire and uses Hux to be the human and military face of his new First Order, while Kylo Ren sees to all the dirty dark side business.
Only one problem remains and it's the same one he's had since Anakin's failings: who is the ultimate host? Kylo still has light in him, and as long as that's the case, the spell will not work. Ultimately, he'd love to have Luke. He knows that Luke is susceptible to the dark side and so much of his planning has focused around beating Luke up psychologically. And it appears to be working since Luke has isolated himself away from everyone and everything. Perhaps he can yet be turned.
And then there's this new girl? She'd make a fine host if she could be turned. In fact, is it possible that she herself is a Skywalker? Or is it possible that Palpatine followed in his master's footsteps and sent his own dark seeds out into the galaxy? Could this girl be yet another dark creation, yet another potential perfect host?
"We shall see...."
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