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Post by Kal_1993 on Aug 7, 2017 16:28:56 GMT
It was very underwhelming to start with. I am so surprised at all the hype.
For god's sake she is his aunt, and after Mad King and Joffery, do people of Westros really want anymore of their potentially dangerous spawn who might possibly inherit dragons from their parents?
Why would anyone approve of their relationship/marriage, given that it would be an officially incestous?
Dany is far better off with Ser Jorah Mormont.
And I suspect Jon wouldn't survive the series.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 7, 2017 16:38:18 GMT
You are trying to analyse the audience's opinions or wishes with logic. This is bound to fail unless you take into consideration that most of it is the result of thoroughly unintellectual emotional responses.
They do not dislike the incestuous relationship of Jaime and Cersei, they merely spit on it because it is the socially acceptable way of expressing a distaste which originates elsewhere: in the arrogance and total lack of kindness these characters displayed when they were introduced.
Jon and Daenerys, on the other side, were introduced as victims, one a bastard, the other a girl sold to a savage. They can do no wrong as a result.
This is how most of the scum reacts.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 7, 2017 16:52:12 GMT
You are trying to analyse the audience's opinions or wishes with logic. This is bound to fail unless you take into consideration that most of it is the result of thoroughly unintellectual emotional responses. They do not dislike the incestuous relationship of Jaime and Cersei, they merely spit on it because it is the socially acceptable way of expressing a distaste which originates elsewhere: in the arrogance and total lack of kindness these characters displayed when they were introduced.Jon and Daenerys, on the other side, were introduced as victims, one a bastard, the other a girl sold to a savage. They can do no wrong as a result. This is how most of the scum reacts. People usually react negatively to creeps, what a concept you've discovered. Jaime's arc has made him into a kind of anti-hero while Cersei has doubled down on the bitch factor which each season. I'll say this, at least the show gives her a bit of depth. She's a Disney villain as the books progress, getting more and more cartoonish with each installment. For my part I never liked Dany. She went from boring to somewhat interesting to boring all over again as far as I'm concerned. I suspect she'll go full Mad King by the end of it all but we'll have to wait and see. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 7, 2017 17:38:37 GMT
You are trying to analyse the audience's opinions or wishes with logic. This is bound to fail unless you take into consideration that most of it is the result of thoroughly unintellectual emotional responses. They do not dislike the incestuous relationship of Jaime and Cersei, they merely spit on it because it is the socially acceptable way of expressing a distaste which originates elsewhere: in the arrogance and total lack of kindness these characters displayed when they were introduced.Jon and Daenerys, on the other side, were introduced as victims, one a bastard, the other a girl sold to a savage. They can do no wrong as a result. This is how most of the scum reacts. People usually react negatively to creeps, what a concept you've discovered. Jaime's arc has made him into a kind of anti-hero while Cersei has doubled down on the bitch factor which each season. I'll say this, at least the show gives her a bit of depth. She's a Disney villain as the books progress, getting more and more cartoonish with each installment. For my part I never liked Dany. She went from boring to somewhat interesting to boring all over again as far as I'm concerned. I suspect she'll go full Mad King by the end of it all but we'll have to wait and see. The concept is not about how people react, it's about how most of them disregard logical implications to remain at the purely emotional level. They hate Cersei because she had a dog killed and is not nice to people. Daenerys, on the other hand, tells them she wants to free the oppressed so she gets to burn about anyone she likes and it's fine. They vote along the same principles, by the way, which ought to give you chills. |
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Post by CynicalDreamer2 on Aug 8, 2017 1:14:39 GMT
It was very underwhelming to start with. I am so surprised at all the hype. For god's sake she is his aunt, and after Mad King and Joffery, do people of Westros really want anymore of their potentially dangerous spawn who might possibly inherit dragons from their parents? Why would anyone approve of their relationship/marriage, given that it would be an officially incestous? Dany is far better off with Ser Jorah Mormont. And I suspect Jon wouldn't survive the series. Clearly I'm out of the loop, people really want Dany and Jon together?? I just wanted them to meet and figure out they're family. I also think they both have good hearts but Dany got full of herself so I think Jon could potentially be a good balance to her potential crazy. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 8, 2017 1:26:00 GMT
It was very underwhelming to start with. I am so surprised at all the hype. For god's sake she is his aunt, and after Mad King and Joffery, do people of Westros really want anymore of their potentially dangerous spawn who might possibly inherit dragons from their parents? Why would anyone approve of their relationship/marriage, given that it would be an officially incestous? Dany is far better off with Ser Jorah Mormont. And I suspect Jon wouldn't survive the series. Clearly I'm out of the loop, people really want Dany and Jon together?? I just wanted them to meet and figure out they're family. I also think they both have good hearts but Dany got full of herself so I think Jon could potentially be a good balance to her potential crazy. I think it's entirely possible there will be a marriage alliance before they find out about each other. That's the only way they will truly be allies. Plus it will remove the icky factor that fans of the theory have no issues with but the general public might. Of course to further allay the incest concerns, someone could reveal it right before the consummation. |
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Post by CynicalDreamer2 on Aug 8, 2017 1:50:36 GMT
Clearly I'm out of the loop, people really want Dany and Jon together?? I just wanted them to meet and figure out they're family. I also think they both have good hearts but Dany got full of herself so I think Jon could potentially be a good balance to her potential crazy. I think it's entirely possible there will be a marriage alliance before they find out about each other. That's the only way they will truly be allies. Plus it will remove the icky factor that fans of the theory have no issues with but the general public might. Of course to further allay the incest concerns, someone could reveal it right before the consummation. Ew you think so? I actually think Jon bent the knee and they have a legit alliance. Did you catch Mel call him 'lord'? One thing I think Dany is, is loyal. I don't know where they'll all end up but I don't want anyone on the Throne, those left standing need to form alliances and rule their own little stretch of the world however I do want the dragons back. |
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Post by Marv on Aug 10, 2017 9:57:41 GMT
The world of Game of Thrones had incest as not only ok, but the ways things were done, under the Targaryens. It was kinda their thing.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2017 10:25:39 GMT
The world of Game of Thrones had incest as not only ok, but the ways things were done, under the Targaryens. It was kinda their thing. The Targaryen thing was always abnormal. They were the exotic conquerors with a very foreign mentality. When Cersei refers to them about incest, she knows it's a stretch and later in S2E07, she admits she fears consequences of "her sins". Daenerys' only link to this culture was her brother and given their relation, we may question how positive her view on it would be. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2017 11:38:36 GMT
The world of Game of Thrones had incest as not only ok, but the ways things were done, under the Targaryens. It was kinda their thing. Time changes standards. Incest is icky in both the Game of Thrones timeline & ours. It's still a stigma against Cercei & Jaime and she's the queen. It's not a genetic trait among Targaryens so the notion that they did it does not mean they are fated to continue doing it and especially since the reason they did it was to preserve their lineage which Dany doesn't seem to care about. Is there a growing demand from the public to actually want to see Dany & Jon hook up knowing they are related? Otherwise, it's the same groups that are wanting it that have wanted it for a decade. I guess it could be different when it's aunt and nephew. |
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Post by pk9 on Aug 10, 2017 17:06:57 GMT
As far as I can tell, Viserys' original plan was to retake the Iron Throne and then marry Dany to rule as king and queen. Even the deal with Drogo was, in his mind, just a rental. A lot of his stupid antics were a result of jealousy.
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Post by primeone on Aug 10, 2017 18:51:31 GMT
It was very underwhelming to start with. I am so surprised at all the hype. For god's sake she is his aunt, and after Mad King and Joffery, do people of Westros really want anymore of their potentially dangerous spawn who might possibly inherit dragons from their parents? Why would anyone approve of their relationship/marriage, given that it would be an officially incestous? Dany is far better off with Ser Jorah Mormont. And I suspect Jon wouldn't survive the series. Because neither of them know the truth, so at this point their relationship that’s being built fits until otherwise. I actually think Dany won’t survive. Jon will. He died before, it’s be a waste if he dies again. |
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Post by Kal_1993 on Aug 10, 2017 19:50:37 GMT
It was very underwhelming to start with. I am so surprised at all the hype. For god's sake she is his aunt, and after Mad King and Joffery, do people of Westros really want anymore of their potentially dangerous spawn who might possibly inherit dragons from their parents? Why would anyone approve of their relationship/marriage, given that it would be an officially incestous? Dany is far better off with Ser Jorah Mormont. And I suspect Jon wouldn't survive the series. Because neither of them know the truth, so at this point their relationship that’s being built fits until otherwise. I actually think Dany won’t survive. Jon will. He died before, it’s be a waste if he dies again. For all we know, he could have been brought back to die at the 'right' time and for a better purpose. To be honest, his death so far was just an isolated event with no real consequences. We are yet to see the true purpose. Surprised even his personality didn't change as was thought by many. So anything can happen. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 11, 2017 5:18:35 GMT
As far as I can tell, Viserys' original plan was to retake the Iron Throne and then marry Dany to rule as king and queen. Even the deal with Drogo was, in his mind, just a rental. A lot of his stupid antics were a result of jealousy. Nothing in the show ever hinted at this. It was a logical development but Viserys never said or did anything betraying such an intent. The closer he got was to say Daenerys' and Drogo's child wouldn't be a true Targaryen, which implied any child he himself would have from another would be equally tainted in his eyes. His demeanor was marked by the need to be recognised as the king he wanted to be. Very much like Joffrey, he was the man who had to say he was king and therefore wasn't really. The jealousy he displayed was of Daenerys' status as respected Khaleesi, not of Drogo as her husband. He never seemed to desire or value his sister. |
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Post by CynicalDreamer2 on Aug 12, 2017 2:06:41 GMT
As far as I can tell, Viserys' original plan was to retake the Iron Throne and then marry Dany to rule as king and queen. Even the deal with Drogo was, in his mind, just a rental. A lot of his stupid antics were a result of jealousy. I can't see this happening, I mean I can see Viserys taking the throne using the Dothraki but I don't see how he ever would have survived trying to kill Drogos and making Dany his wife. Maybe a rape scenario but Dany came to love Drogo so that wasn't going to happen without Drogo murdering him. Even if he DID manage to kill Drogo the hoard wasn't going to follow him and he had no other allies therefore he wouldn't have held the throne. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 12, 2017 2:58:08 GMT
As far as I can tell, Viserys' original plan was to retake the Iron Throne and then marry Dany to rule as king and queen. Even the deal with Drogo was, in his mind, just a rental. A lot of his stupid antics were a result of jealousy. I can't see this happening, I mean I can see Viserys taking the throne using the Dothraki but I don't see how he ever would have survived trying to kill Drogos and making Dany his wife. Maybe a rape scenario but Dany came to love Drogo so that wasn't going to happen without Drogo murdering him. Even if he DID manage to kill Drogo the hoard wasn't going to follow him and he had no other allies therefore he wouldn't have held the throne. The idea was to use the Dothraki to start the war, get loyal families like the Tyrells to join then waste the savages as arrow fodder along the way. |
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Post by CynicalDreamer2 on Aug 12, 2017 3:11:56 GMT
I can't see this happening, I mean I can see Viserys taking the throne using the Dothraki but I don't see how he ever would have survived trying to kill Drogos and making Dany his wife. Maybe a rape scenario but Dany came to love Drogo so that wasn't going to happen without Drogo murdering him. Even if he DID manage to kill Drogo the hoard wasn't going to follow him and he had no other allies therefore he wouldn't have held the throne. The idea was to use the Dothraki to start the war, get loyal families like the Tyrells to join then waste the savages as arrow fodder along the way. Yup, short sighted and stupid plan, so happy he got his 'crown'. |
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